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Post by katie99 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:52 pm

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Julia78 -estrogen 11/28 - u/s 12/15 - FET 12/21
BRMommy2b -BCP - FET 12/16 - beta 12/26

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EOL- stims on 12/9 - ER ?
Brooklyngirl -stims 12/10 - ER 12/22 (my birthday!)

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Justwannabeamom (Kelly)-ER 12/10 - ET 12/15
HJW (Hazel)- ER 12/15

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LorrieS - ET 11/29 -PUPO! - beta 12/11 (MIA?)
TC4474 -ET 12/9 PUPO! beta 12/18
Syanna -ER 12/7 -ET 12/9 PUPO! - beta ?
Skylar -ER 12/2 - ET 12/7 PUPO! - beta ?
SarahRuth -ER 12/4 -ET 12/9 PUPO! -beta 12/21

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Firefly -BFP! :D Our first one!
Lou- bfn :cry:
10bear -bfn :cry:
To_Have_Fun -bfn :cry:
Karenthescorpio -bfn :cry:
Honey34bunny -bfn :cry:
Turtle (Franny) - :cry: cancelled try in Jan
Happier -bfn :cry:
Jenice -BFP :cry: chemical
Amysbabies -BFP :cry: chemical try in Dec/Jan
Teachermom -BFP! :D :D :D OMG! ITS TRIPLETS!!!
Me2009- BFP! :D beta #1 143 beta#2 285 beta#3 628 u/s 12/8
Bethanyneedsluck :cry: -cancelled D/T OHSS - try in jan
Olim -BFP! :D u/s 12/17
Dodo -bfn :cry: trying again in Feb!
Lulu :cry: -bfn
Cheekyone -BFP! :cry: early m/c - try in 2010
Albany07 -BFP! :D beta #1 63 beta#2 233
Ashleyncsu77 :D - ER 11/26 18 fert! -FET in Jan
Kerribell :cry: -bfn
2010 :cry: -bfn
Supergenius -BFP! :cry: chemical - try in Jan
Katie99- :cry: cancelled - try in Feb
Claudia - BFP! :D YAY beta 137!
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
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4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Post by katie99 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:55 pm

Claudia -YAY!!!! :D :D :D :D :D SOOOO HAPPY for you!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! MOM!
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Post by syanna » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:38 am

Congrats Claudia! Very happy and excited for you!
Me: 28 DH: 29
1st IVF - Oct '09 - BFN :*(
2nd IVF w/ICSI - Dec '09 - BFN :**(
3rd IVF w/ICSI - Feb '10 - BFN :***(
4th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Jul '10 - BFN :****(
5th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Oct '10 - Beta 10/15

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Post by julia_78 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:58 am

claudia - congrats!!! this is so exciting! i am so happy for you & DH! this thread definitely needed some good news.

kathy - i am both so sad and happy for your cancellation. i know that's what you wanted and glad you are at peace with it. the IVF journey sucks, but the outcome will be worth every up & down. i can't believe how much you have been through during this past cycle - take some well deserved rest from it all, enjoy some eggnog & brandy and best of luck to you & DH in feb!

to all the pupo ladies - best of luck, bring us some BFP!!

afm - back home, yay! i have been on estrace 3x a day and have been struggling remembering the lunch pill almost every day. i hope it does not change anything if you take 2 at a time, i had to do that a couple times b/c i realized i had missed the lunch one. i have my u/s on tue can't wait to get cleared for FET. i thought i was done with business travel for the year, but my boss asked me whether i could make it to a meeting in baltimore on dec 23rd. it's a pretty important meeting so i would hate to miss it. argh. last cycle i travelled the day after ET even though DH had asked me not to, and can't help but wonder whether it impacted my BFN. RE had cleared me for travel but it looks like most REs are much more restrictive than mine about what to do/ not to do post-transfer (i only had to lay down for 15 min after transfer, then was allowed to go straight to work, no bed rest or "take it slow" advice). given that my FET is probably going to be dec 21st, i am wondering whether i should try to cancel the business trip or if i should follow my RE's advice and try to go back to normalcy as soon as possible post-transfer. what would you do?
Me: 31, DH: 39, low sperm count, motility & poor morphology
IVF #1 Sep 09 BFN
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Post by claud662 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:41 am

Evening Ladies! We told the family tonight and everyone was soooo happy and shocked!!!! They all thought this cycle was over because of my past week so it was nice to have a good surpise :lol: I am seeing if my ticker is working....they make these things so hard!!!

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Post by Skylar » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:12 am

Claud662-congrats again, I know it was exciting to tell your family. I also like your picture, it's nice to put a face with your name. I will have to have my dh teach me to do that. You put a smile on my face.
Katie99: Thanks again on your updates, it's amazing how close we are to the finish line. My beta is this coming Wednesday, December 15.
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Post by turtle0619 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:12 am

claud i am just so happy for you!! wooohoo! :D :D :D
i cant even imagine what it felt like to tell your families! i cant wait for that day. i dream about it often. i love your ticker and your pic is beautiful (although very small haha)
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me-35- stage 4 endo
DH-30- perfect
TTC for 5 years
1+2 IVF 2009- both cxl
3rd IVF Jan. 2010- BFN
4th IVF April 2010- BFN
5th IVF July 2010-BFN
6TH IVF Sept 2010- BFN
moving on to donor embies
FET Feb 2012-BFN
FET Jun 2012- Here we go again!

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Post by hjw » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:28 am

Good morning ladies, apologies for going AWOL over the weekend but I was trying to pack in as much stuff as possible while I still feel OK to be active. I triggered at 1.00am last night so I'm now in my drug free day (feels so weird not to be setting the mobile phone alarm to remind me to take different drugs three times a day!). I can definitely already feel there's a chance in my abdomen since trigger, it feels much 'heavier' today and I'm getting bloated. Starting to get excited and anxious about ER tomorrow in equal measure - the excitement because of finding out how many mature eggs we're going to get and the anxiety because I remember what it was like to go through ER under just a local anaesthetic and I'm starting to get really nervous about it. So the plan for today is to try and keep busy, busy, busy so that I don't think about it all too much!

DH and I played in a golf match yesterday and then got our Christmas tree on the way home, so the house is now decorated and sparkly. It's starting to feel like Christmas is actually coming, up until yesterday I hadn't really focussed on it at all. Still no cards written, but I'm thinking that's a job for the 2ww...

2010 - I'm not sure whether I replied to your post from Saturday, but GL for today's follow up app't, let us know how it goes. I hope you and DH have a lovely and restful Christmas & New Year and manage to get away from all things IVF for a short while.

Syanna, Skylar, sarah_ruth and tc4474 - how's that 2ww going? Are you all managing to resist POAS?

Eol - how are those stims going for you? Have you had a scan now? Hope you're growing lots of juicy follicles.

claud662 - OMG, I'm so happy for you!!! 137 is a great number, and after all that worry about the spotting, we told you that it might well be completely normal IVF spotting! Are you still spotting now? I can't tell you what a boost you've given us all! Lovely wedding picture, btw!

justwannabamom - that's so cruel that you don't get a daily update, but they would call if things weren't going OK with the embies, so on the bright side no news is good news. Masses of GL for tomorrow, here's to a great day for both of us!

julia_78 - I'm not sure whether this will help, but I've been setting my mobile phone alarm for the times when I need to take the drugs, and I've got into the habit of keeping my phone with me all the time. When I was taking my estrogen for my cancelled FET in July, I got up to 5 tablets a day, and setting the alarm was the only way I could keep track of what I was doing. I also made a drug chart which I kept by my bed and ticked off each dose either as I took it (if I was at home), or at the end of every day so that I could check I hadn't missed one. Re your business trip, there seems to be massive divergence between what different RE's advise - there is a school of thought that getting straight back to normal activity is good, another school of thought which advocates up to a week of bedrest, but most RE's (including my clinic) are somewhere in the middle and say just take it easy. My personal approach is that a couple of days with your feet up in front of the TV or reading a book after ET can't be a bad thing, and then it's sensible to avoid anything too stressful, overly physical etc for the remainder of the 2ww - it's less that I've been advised that way and more that I don't want to look back afterwards and think 'what if?', if you know what I mean. GL for your u/s tomorrow.

katie99 - I hear you about wanting to know the lab values, but honestly for me I don't understand what they all mean and there's enough that I obsess about already, so I've decided to let the clinic worry about whether my numbers are in the right range, and that frees up my time to obsess about everything else! Plus, my clinic doesn't bother doing b/w every visit (in fact, they only did one blood test this time and that was on Saturday, my day 12 stims scan day, to check the levels before making the final decision on ER). So it's not like I can track any sort of progression in the numbers from visit to visit anyway. How are you today, sweetie? Did you and DH have a relaxing weekend, I was thinking of you lots. Hope you had a glass of wine for me, I'm really missing my wine!!

Hey turtle, how's things? Hope you had a good weekend too.

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4 IUI's, BFN
#1 IVF, 04/2009, BFN
#2 FET, 07/2009, no transfer, frosties failed to thaw
#3 IVF, 12/2009, +ve HPT New Years Day!

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Post by katie99 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:53 pm

Hi everyone -

So much for a restful weekend. The 1 bathroom in the house decided to clog sat night, ok so I'm handy with a plunger. On Sun morning, always on a weekend, right? the toilet decided to overflow - Hooray now theres some fun! So DH (who likes to think that he's handy - but totally isnt) runs to Home Depot to buy a toilet auger, which only makes the overflow come up through the tub drain - EWWWWW!!!! So instead of calling a plumber ( oh, no not on a Sunday - thats a big fat emergengy call fee!)
So DH runs back to Home Depot for an electric drain auger the kind that connects to a drill for power? And nothing - except now my tub is scary!
So does DH give in & call a professional? Of course not - he thinks running back to Home Depot for the third time in 1 day is the answer - to buy a bigger faster stronger drill is the answer - Help me Lord! Now its nightime, still no working toilet and the scary tub that wont drain either. He gives it 1 last try with the big drill - and finally admits defeat (thankfully!) So I am fully prepared to call expensive plumber first thing this morning - and both tub & toilet magically work now! YAY!! Except now DH believes that he is the king of do it yourself repairs - this cant be good :roll:

Hazel -Oh, thank God for mobile phone alarms! But I know what you mean about it feeling weird to not need them for trigger day. It it so different that you all dont have b/w every other day there. How do they know how to adjust your meds then? I think they may go about it the smarter way of not giving you the massive horse like doses they do here, no wonder you can still be active. Here we end up feeling like we're limping around towards the end. Go UK! I hope that you arent stressing tom too much - it will go just fine & you'll have loads of healthy eggs! Just relax today & enjoy your Christmas decorations! - xoxo GL tom!

Kelly -You'll be PUPO tomorrow!! YAY! I'm sorry that your clinic doesnt update you after the 1st fert report - that would pi** me off too!
So much luck to you tomorrow!

Julia -What does your RE think? Mine suggests bed rest the day of ET then modified bed rest for the following 2 days ( allowed up to use bathroom, eat, stretch) what he is adament about is NO lifting anything over 5 lbs, no bending at the waist, squatting, or standing for more than a few minutes. It makes for a long 3 days! But then I've heard of girls here with much stricter restrictions. If it were me, i wouldnt take the chance - this cost too much both emotionally & financially) And right before the holiday? You know the airport will be packed! - wishing you luck for your u/s tomorrow!

Skylar -2 more days!! You can do this!

TC -Hope you're hanging in there! its not much longer now!

EOL / Brooklyngirl -How goes the stimming?

Franny -How you doin? tee hee

hugs & prayers to us all! - xoxo
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
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4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Post by sarah_ruth79 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:12 pm

hey guys- sorry i have been MIA, i have been trying desperately to distract myself from thinking about this cycle.

katie- i hope you can come out of this cycle renewed for the next. i am so sorry for all of the struggles that you have faced but i am wishing you all the best.

justwanna- congrats on the fert report. remember that sometimes these small numbers are fewer, but better quality. i will be thinking about you!

tc and syanna- how's the 2ww? have you POAS?

hazel- good luck with ER! I can't wait to hear the report.

2010-i hope your follow up appointment gives you new hope.

Claudia- Happy Hanukkah indeed! I am so happy for you!

AFM- Thanks for all the encouraging words. I don't know why but i just really don't have a lot of hope. I don't have any symptoms at all and I just overall feel down. I am trying to think past a BFN already, to prepare myself. We have some frozens so we could do FET maybe in February. I know I am getting ahead of myself, but I just don't feel anything so it is hard to imagine this actually working. I am not going to be able to resist POAS. My murse said I could start getting accurate results tomorrow- I might test tonight to have something to compare to (5dp5dt) although I am sure that will just depress me. Ugh, I don't know what to do...

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Post by justwannabamom » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:50 pm

Well guys I have spent the whole morning sobbing. I work night shift last night and walked in the door to the phone ringing. It was the RE himself. He tells me we have a problem. His mother is dying and he has to leave at 5pm on a plane out of the country to be with her. He wants to know if I want to do the transfer today like get a shower and drive 3 1/2 hours right now or do it tomorrow but have a different RE. He says he would rather do it today as he feels he is just good at transfers and always prefers to do his own. So I say ok and go wake up DH tell him what's going on and we start running around the house packing. Then the phone rings again and it is RE. He says we have now another problem he just spoke the the lab and basically all 5 embryos suck. They are only 10 to 12 cells and should be 40 today. He now says he thinks we should wait till tomorrow but there could be a chance none will live till then but if they do it will tell them a lot more about which ones r the most likely to get BFP. I talked to DH and called him back. I asked him to just put all 5 today since they were shitty he refused but did agree to 3 if I signed a paper stating I fully understood the risks. I agreed. I asked him why all this bad egg bad embryo stuff was happening and he told me it is now apparent I have an egg quality issue as well as DH very low sperm count. Basically I realize that no matter what decision I make neither r likely to result in BFP. I was bawling on the phone to him when we hung up. 1 minute later he calls back and says kelly I can't just leave u crying and upset like that. What can we talk about what questions do u have? I talked to him more about it all and he said to me that I have trusted him this far so trust him now that waiting until tomorrow would just be better. So now here we r no sleep bawling trying to pack our bags and head to the hotel to have a transfer in the morning with a bunch of shitty embryos that won't stick or prob won't live long enough to stick all to be done by some other RE who's pregnancy rates r not as good as my RE's. Story of my life I guess. What a way to end this one last try! I just thought I would fill u all in. So I guess the only thing that can help me now is a miracle and I have never seen one of those so I don't see it starting now. I will let you know what they have tomorrow after the transfer.
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TTC 3 years
DH 29 very low sperm count
Me 29 hypothyroidism
IVF #1 July 09 BFN no frosties IVF #2 Dec 09
11 eggs ICSI 7 5 fertilized
Transferred 2 day 5 embryos on 12/15 no frosties BFN

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Post by claud662 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:42 pm

Kelly-First off.... try to relax...you want your body to be as calm as possible so that when tomorrow you have your transfer (YES YOU WILL HAVE IT) you will be prepared. If your RE thinks that some of them will make it and that is your best option, try to have some faith. I know these bumps in the road are sooo discouraging (I had many myself) but just try and trust the doctors and keep your mental and physical state in check. I am keeping every finger crossed for you that the cells will quadruple by tomorrow. Hugs and kisses :wink:

Skylar-Are you getting a beta test today early like you had originally said or will you wait until Wednesday?? Hoping the best for a BFP!

Hazel-YAH for trigger!! GL tomorrow and hope they got tons of follies :lol: Don't be nervous about the sedation....it's a good excuse for DH to get everything for you while you rest on the couch!!

Thank you everyone for your kind words and support through everything I have been through. I am wishing/hoping/praying that my numbers double tomorrow!!! Thoughts are with you all :P
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Post by julia_78 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:58 pm

hi justwannabeamom/ kelly - i am so sorry about your news. don't give up on your embryos yet! we had a similar situation where out of 18 embryos only 7 were still hanging in there on day 5, and none of them had made it to blast on day 5 , they were morulas which "was disappointing" to our RE and made me think he even had given up hope. i did a lot of research on slow embryos and found quite a few success stories from women who got pregnant off of morula transfers or slow embryo transfer, and some research that said that female embryos develop slower, and that's why 65% or so of IVF babies are boys (b/c they are most likely to be "good looking embryos" on day 5). and ET is really not rocket science (sorry if i offend any RE out there), i don't think the other RE would mess it up, but your RE probably wanted to make it a better experience for you & DH by being there for you from beginning to end to ensure you did not have too much to stress about. as for us, we ended up transferring 2 morulas on day 5 and had a BFN, but 2 of the remainding 5 made it to blasts and were of good quality so made it to freeze, and when i got the call on day 6 with the freeze report, i could tell the RE was as relieved as we were. i felt exactly like you on ET day, gave up hope on those slow embryos, and could not find any PMA in me, and I can't help but think that my mental state contributed to the BFN. so PMA, PMA & hugs to you & DH for the nxt couple of days.

katie - your husband sounds just like mine! there is something about guys & home depot that i just will never understand (i swear we spend more on DIY that we would if we had professionals do the work - and the work would be done well, and in one go). but DH does not get my relationship with shoes or with sex & the city reruns either ;) glad the toilet & bath tub are all fixed now! re: my travel, my RE said i could go back to work after the ET procedure, on that same day. both him & the IVF nurse told me that bed rest is often prescribed to help with PMA with women but there is no research that says bed rest or activity are better or worse. i am so type A that i wonder whethere bed rest or taking it slow would stress me out more than going to work for that day, so not sure what to do. i am trying to talk DH into coming with me so we can drive instead of fly (which would be much less stressful i think, plus i could lay down in the car) and so he can pamper me after the work day and maybe even swing by DC for a nice romantic dinner. i just wish our RE would say no so i would not have to make up my own decision :)

hazel - thanks for the tip! i'll definitely set up my alarm for my lunch pill (i never forget the breakfast or dinner one). good luck for ER tomorrow!!

afm - i had a fun appointment this morning with my dermatologist... had to get a pre-cancerous mole removed on my pinky toe! how bad is that?? i swear that shot on the toe hurt more than anything i went thru for IVF! they already biopsied it (sp?) and it's abnormal but not cancerous, so they just needed to "cut more around the margins" b/c of my history of melanoma, but seriously, how much margins can you cut on a pinky toe! so i am limping around today, with my 9 1/2 toes left, wearing flip flops despite the freezing wheather b/c i can't fit into a real shoe. i better get a BFP on dec 30th to finish 2009 on a high!!!
Me: 31, DH: 39, low sperm count, motility & poor morphology
IVF #1 Sep 09 BFN
FET Dec 09 BFP, m/c 6 wks
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Post by katie99 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:11 pm

SarahRuth -Aww, honey - its normal to feel like that sometimes. The 2ww is THE hardest part of all this. You cant go by if you feel symptoms or not. I've read about so many BFPs that had no symptoms at all. I know, its difficult but please try to keep your head up. you have to prepare for the worst but hope for the best. Its really early for you. i'll repost the embie chart as soon as I finish this. Sending you boatloads of PMA! hang in there hon, we all go through the same thing with this darn IVF roller coaster - just hang on - Big hugs for you - xoxo

Kelly -Oh kelly, my heart was breaking at your post. that is really too much for one person to deal with. I've heard of successful cycles that began with slow embies also. listen to Julia she knows what she's talking about. i'll say a special prayer for you & your embies. Dont give up
Have faith - your Re has already done the hard part. Yes, its feels better to be with the RE that you know and trust, but all the new RE has to do is a quick pop from the catheter. Your RE wouldnt put you into another DR's hands if he didnt trust that guy. I've got everything crossed for you! xoxo

Julia - Yes, I dont get the attraction to Home Depot either. But sex & the city reruns can keep us sane! I think oyur DH driving is a fantastic compromise! The airports this time of year are reason to scream!

Loads of PMA to everyone - xoxo
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
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Post by katie99 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm

3 Day Transfer:

1dpt... Embryo is growing and developing
2dpt... Embryo is now a blastocyst
3dpt... Blastocyst hatches out of shell on this day
4dpt... Blastocyst attaches to a site on the uterine lining
5dpt... Implantation begins,as the blastocyst begins to bury in the lining
6dpt... Implantation process continues and morula buries deeper in the lining
7dpt... Morula is completely inmplanted in the lining and has placenta cells &
fetal cells
8dpt... Placenta cells begin to secret HCG in the blood
9dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
10dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
11dpt... HCG levels are now high enough to be immediately detected on HPT

5 Day Transfer (if your transfer is done on the 6th day please adjust according to the timeline based upon how the embryo was doing by 1-2 days {e.g. blastocyst was hatching from the shell}):

-1dpt... Embryo is growing and developing
0dpt... Embryo is now a blastocyst
1dpt... Blastocyst hatches out of shell on this day
2dpt... Blastocyst attaches to a site on the uterine lining
3dpt... Implantation begins,as the blastocyst begins to bury in the lining
4dpt... Implantation process continues and morula buries deeper in the lining
5dpt... Morula is completely inmplanted in the lining and has placenta cells &
fetal cells
6dpt... Placenta cells begin to secret HCG in the blood
7dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
8dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
9dpt... HCG levels are now high enough to be immediately detected on
HPT
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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