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Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby Reem » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:25 am

Hello, can anyone who knows please explain to me why do we need progesterone support in Fresh IVF cycles?? While in a natural cycle , where u dont even know that u r pregnant, dont need the Progesterone support! Even though in fresh ivf cycles, we ovulate and everything same as a natural cycle.
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Re: Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby beachbaby » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:30 pm

Hi, i asked my clinic this and the reply was it was precautionary just to help. You do produce progesterone through a fresh IVF cycle.
My clinic use cyclogest pesseries and i just took one a day on my fresh cycle, 2 a day on my FET.
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Re: Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby Reem » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:22 pm

sorry. double post
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Postby Reem » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:22 pm

beachbaby - thank u for the answer, can i ask, in ur frsh ivf cycle u took only one cycloget pessarie per day, meaning only 400mg of pregesterone per day???
and did u do PIO shots also or it was only one cyclogest pessarie per day?
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Re: Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby Ghost » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:32 pm

Reem wrote:Hello, can anyone who knows please explain to me why do we need progesterone support in Fresh IVF cycles?? While in a natural cycle , where u dont even know that u r pregnant, dont need the Progesterone support! Even though in fresh ivf cycles, we ovulate and everything same as a natural cycle.
Thank u for the help


Success rates are better if progesterone is given. Some clinics cut costs by omitting it.

Some clinics also give estradiol. Estradiol reduces bleeding in early pregnancy, but has not been shown to improve success rates.
Note: I am not an MD and not an expert.
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Re: Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby Reem » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:01 pm

thank u Ghost,
do u have any idea how much (per mg) of pregesterone per day is sufficient in a fresh ivf cycle ?? (400mg , 600, 800, .. ??)
and does PIO shots are necessary to do with pregesterone pessaries or not??

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Postby brit1612 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:02 pm

I have always heard that in a natural cycle (not IVF) your body produces the progesterone that it needs but this doesn't happen during an IVF cycle until the placenta takes over at around 10 weeks (not sure about the weeks). Even though our cycles may "seem" normal during IVF, they are not happening naturally so the drugs are needed to help mimic a natural pregnancy. Maybe I am wrong, that is just what I have always heard. Good luck to you!!
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Re: Can anyone plz explain this to me? GHOST maybe?

Postby Ghost » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:45 am

Reem wrote:thank u Ghost,
do u have any idea how much (per mg) of pregesterone per day is sufficient in a fresh ivf cycle ?? (400mg , 600, 800, .. ??)
and does PIO shots are necessary to do with pregesterone pessaries or not??

thank you


It depends on the route of administration. If it's injected, less is needed than with vaginal forms. Typical pessaries would need the most, and 400mg per day or more is common here. It's sometimes used along with injections. There are also Crinone and Endometrin. Each has its advantages. The injections, for example, are cheap and effective, but can be painful after awhile.

How much is sufficient for you is up to your doctor.
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Postby Reem » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:41 am

ok, thank u Ghost
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Postby Reem » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:49 pm

Ghost- can u please tell me how many mg of progesterone does each crinone stick contains ???
(i know it is written 8% but it equals how many mg of progesterone?? ) i mean to ask 1 crinone gel is equal for how many mg of vaginal pessaries ??
and do u think that 200 mg of vaginal pessaries 3 times per day without injections is usually / generally enough ??

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Postby Ghost » Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Reem wrote:Ghost- can u please tell me how many mg of progesterone does each crinone stick contains ???
(i know it is written 8% but it equals how many mg of progesterone?? ) i mean to ask 1 crinone gel is equal for how many mg of vaginal pessaries ??
and do u think that 200 mg of vaginal pessaries 3 times per day without injections is usually / generally enough ??

thanks


Crinone is 90mg per application. But it's much more effective than 90mg of pessaries because the absorption is better. One Crinone application per day is the manufacturer's recommendation for a fresh non-donor cycle. For other cycles (donor, FET), they recommend two per day. The difference is that in a fresh non-donor cycle, there is usually some follicular (corpus luteum) activity producing some progesterone, but usually not in donor or FET.

200mg pessaries 3 times per day is in the range of typical dosage for that type of progesterone supplement.
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Postby Reem » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:09 pm

Oh i see, thanks Ghost
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