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Postby bina » Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:24 pm

Hi Laura and Debra,
Oh, I feel for you both! You poor things - just saying 'relax and take is easy' does not work, does it? I certainly don't manage it.
Anyway, Laura, if it's any consolation at all - one of my cycle buddies from 2004 who had a BFP the same day as me had a little kid (she's a nursery nurse for tricky children) run into her tummy at full speed! She was of course super-worried about what this would do to her little emby. But to cut a long story short, she gave birth to a healthy baby boy! So looks like even direct impact and all the worrying about it might not affect the little one at all!
Debra, how are you bearing up? Nerves still in tact? I think it's amazing how you're coping with it all! Any thoughts re asking for an early scan? Will you have bloods checked again on Monday?
If it helps at all, I have NO pg signs at all, boobs normal, no nausea, nothing - only lots of appetite, but I think that's just my head, as opposed to an actual symptom....oh well, just trying to take it easy and hope for the best. My scan is on 9th March, which is just toooooooooooooo long away. This really is nearly as bad as the 2ww!
Have a good Sunday everyone! Here's to successful scans for us all, which can't be soon enough!
love,
bina
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Postby DebraP » Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:30 pm

Hi there, Sunday already. Hooray....next week is half term so no college for me.

Bina, except for extraordinarily painful boobs, no symptoms here. Maybe they're going to be 'it' for the time being? I'm eating super-healthily. I'm 3-4kgs heavier than this stage with DD so am going to have to be vigilant in the extreme this time. Can I ask, are you German? or were you only living there before? I'm assuming you're called Sabine really?

Laura, did you say you were off to France this week? Will you be online whilst there? Is your DH French? I wondered after seeing your DD's name (v. pretty too). If yes, it makes us a very international bunch! Do you do think your DD will understand about the new baby? I know mine will, so many of our friends are expecting and her favourite nursery school assistant. She knows all 'the ladies with babies in their tummies'. We were listing them recently and at the end of the list she said '....and grandma'. Um no, grandma just LOOKS like she's pg!! We've obviously not said anything to DD yet. We've a book waiting upstairs for later in the year, a little girl who becomes a big sister. I've waited SO long to look at it.

How are you both doing? I've had an active weekend. A little light cross country skiing yesterday. The tracks start 100m from my house, I can put skis on at my front door if I want! It's all very flat and gentle. I've no technique to speak of and the slightest incline feels like a hill! We also took DD swimming today. She adores it and each time we say 'we must do it more often'. The big drawback is cost, don't die of shock but it costs over 20 pounds for the 3 of us to go! and that's with my student discount!!

I know I'm jumping the gun but I called my GP's office to ask when the first apt. should be and was told 10 weeks. I'll go just before as I'd like a 12 week scan which is not normal here. First scan is usually at 18 weeks. Are you both with the same doctors as last time? We've moved cities so it's all new for us. Our practice doesn't have a midwife, in fact there's a citywide shortage of them so I'm not expecting to see one much. I've heard of waiting lists....fingers crossed all will be straightforward and I'll not need much support.

You can tell I'm feeling more positive can't you, with all my prattling on?
Hope you both had good weekends, did you?
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Postby bina » Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:38 pm

Hi Debra,
Gosh, you sound soooooo much more positive and I'm so pleased to read it! Wonderful!
Still no symptoms (except extreme hunger - and I'm not a healthy eater, but trying to make an effort), but at least no bleeding or cramps, so hope that in itself is a good sign.
Yes, you're right, I am German (hence the unhealthy eating!) (Sabine is correct, but nobody can pronounce it properly, so bina is easier), have been in the UK for 14 years though, so feel I have - to some extent anyway - acclimatised!
Well, my DD will only be 22 months by the time the new baby arrives(still somehow more of a hope, as opposed to reality....), so I doubt she'll grasp it if we explain it, but we might just point to my tummy and say 'baby' so she'll understand there is a baby in there? But maybe you can advise how much they can take in at that age (she's 14 months at the mo and really only makes signs of understanding very basic things...). Your book sounds great - would that be suitable for a nearly 2-year old?

Re: doctor, I'll be with a different GP (last pregnancy care put me off her for life!), but will go to the same hospital, so the end bit will be the same. But the moment I can't even think that far - think will only sort of relax (well, apart from the worries that will then replace current ones) when I'm over the 12 weeks. I'l ldefinitely go for a triple test again, so got to find out again how to go about that.....

Debra, where about in Norway are you? One of my closest friends is Norwegian and lives in Oslo, are you there? Would be so funny if you were!

Sorry, got to get on with some work - hopefully working from home tomorrow..!

So glad we seem to be doing OK!
Lots of love,
bina
ttc 2.5 yrs
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2nd IVF Jan06 +ve; EDD 30th October 2006 - feeling sooo lucky and praying for a healthy delivery!!!

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Postby Laura M » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:57 pm

Hi Girls,

Yes Debra, you sound so much more positive. You may be one of the lucky ones which does not suffer with nausea (and Bina as well!).
And for the Moose story, Wow, I can't imagine! When I lived in Australia, we thought hitting kangaroos was bad enough! (Not that I ever did...).

Today , I am feeling a little better and more positive about the pregnancy. I can't wait for the scan and when past the 12 weks mark, I promised myself I WILL chill out.
With DD was always on my mind the number of weeks and survival etc. Terrible I know , but I guess, as somebody said, our pregnancies are never relaxed ones.
I had a great midwife during my pregnancy but in hospital I got others which I didn't know. This time I am thinking of perhaps hiring an independant midwife. they look after you during the the whole pregnancy, see them as often as you like, and either do homebirth or go to the hospital with you.
But I will think about yet. One other possibility I would get my (swedish nurse) friend to be my doula.
This would be my last pregnancy and thinking of 'treating' myself to this.
DD is 3 years and 4 months. She definately understand about 'siblings', so I have not told her yet.
She got a bit scared when a friend's bump moved and she had her hand on it, so maybe I tell her about the, the... you know, the bird which brings the babies (sorry the name slipped from my mind! Pregnancy brain already??)
A little about myself, I was born in Brazil and went to Australia when i was 17. I met my English husband there and came here in 2000. He is a doctor but i never ask him anything. I hate medicines and I try any alternative approach than drugs!
Living both in Brazil and Australia, I was not used to the British climate , so we bought a place in the south of France, an apartment in a lovely town called Beaulieu sur Mer, between Nice and Monaco. Bristol airport is close to our place and it takes, without any delays, 4 hours door to door.
I go there as often as possible.
I don't work now apart from a few projects now and then. I had a baby shoe business but it was not working. Too much effort for too little.
Dealing with retailers is not easy so I gave up and concentrate now in being a personnal driver to DD.
I have yet to install internet in the apartment, so from the 6th of march for about a week, i will be off line. I will be doing a scan there I think, so when I get back , I shall email the news!
I thought the February girls did very well and got lots of BNP. Let's hope it is positive for the rest.
Skiing in Norway or having a lovely lunch in buzzing London sounds fun though...
Speak soon
Love
Laura
PS: I took DD to see Chicken Little this weekend and she kind of liked. Not the same as Monsters Inc or Nemo...
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Postby DebraP » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:42 am

Yes we really are a multi-cultural bunch aren't we! Are we all raising bi-lingual children too? DD's Norwegian grammar is better than mine! She chats in both and understands everything in both which is astounding really. She goes to full time local nursery so only hears English from me and when DF and I talk. Although he only uses Norwegian with her. It's odd when we have 3 way conversations we use both...amazing that she gets it really. My favourites are when she corrects one of us and says 'no mummy/daddy, butterfly english, sommerfugl 'wegian'. She also thinks it's very funny that she can call us mummy, daddy, mamma, pappa, mor, far, father + our names and nicknames that she's picked up!

Bina, I know, I know about the names. I guess Brits would say Sabeen not Sabinah as it should be? Norwegians also pronounce an end 'e' as 'ah' so you'd be fine here! 14 years, wow. Your English is perfect! The book is in Norwegian so I can't recommend it but I know there a zillion on the market, different gender permutations so that the older child gets used to the idea. I've read that one of the biggest shocks for them (apart from the loss of being No.1) is that this much awaited new baby does....nothing! can't play, can't talk = totally useless to a toddler! I envy you with the triple test. Norway has a v.strange mix of ethics, fertility tmt can't include donor sperm nor eggs and there are no nuchal fold or CVS tests - public or private. People have to go to Sweden or elsewhere if they want one. You can have amnio if you're over 38 but only after mandatory counselling where a doctor points at miscarriage stats, yeah thanks. I live in Trondheim which is about 30% of the way up the country, after it narrows and on the coast.

Laura...Brazil and Australia! no wonder you prefer the south of France. Never think of coming to Norway, even though it's beautiful, it was minus 14 this morning! it's very sunny now and probably 'much' warmer. The sky is blue and the sun bouncing off all the snow makes it very bright indeed. I've visited Brazil and lived in Sydney, I envy your diverse background. I also envy the idea of a doula. Not common here. There's no continuity of care, perhaps the same GP or midwife through pgy but at the hospital you get who ever is on duty for as long as they're on duty. If they change shifts, tough you get a new one! Was it a stork you were thinking of? I LOVE Brazilian shoes, I bought loads of tiny, pretty little summer shoes whilst I was there but funnily enough they're completely the opposite of what I need in the snow and ice! We tried DD with the cinema a few months ago, Winnie The Pooh & the Heffalump. She lasted less than 15mins, just got up and started walking around.....

I'm trying not to think of today's 3rd beta result. It comes in 4 hours. I can't bear to think of what next if it's poor. We'll ask for a scan this week if it's a low number, to look for where it is. I know there'll be no heart beat, that can wait and is besides the point if the attachment is all wrong.

I still feel 'nothing'. Very odd, perhaps this is because we connect being pregnant with the later stages of how it was last time? big, and obvious with movement and strong feelings?

Chat later and if the result comes in before I leave for work, I'll post it.
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Postby DebraP » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:16 pm

No work, client cancelled HOORAY (I still get paid).

3rd beta is 385. Clinic are happy with that. Unless I get more pain (which I've not had for a good few days), we'll just wait until 10th for the scan. You'll both have had yours by then, we'll all be very excited I'm sure.

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Postby bina » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:51 pm

Hi girls,
Gosh, yes, we are quite multi-cultural aren't we - even though I feel a bit pathetic with just being from boring old Germany (got to uphold those prejudices somehow, eh?), ie Europe, no further....!
Well, Debra - so pleased to read of your results! Excellent news! If the clinic are happy and you're happy, then I'm happy! Sounds like you had a good day with this news and the client cancelling!
Ah, well, if your book on how to prepare DD for the new arrival is in Norwegian, I shall have a look over here. Do you think she'll 'uderstand' it? Not sure how much she can take in at 20 months, because at the moment she has no patience at all to read any book. She gets bored beyond the first page and just wants to run around and play. Maybe they'll do books for different age ranges. Can't really look into this, because it all feels too unreal! I still don't feel pg at all (except for tiredness, but think that's just work!). But I do remember that I felt exactly the same last time. I looked at my old HPTs (kept them for sentimental reasons) and I actually did one about 3 weeks after my BFP, so obviously I didn't feel pg then and thought I better check. So I'm hoping I'll last until scan day in 9 days time.....in a way it's quite nice you had your bloods checked, Debra, isn't it, because at least you know up until now everything is fine! Anyway, just praying it'll all be OK. I'm so superstitious I won't buy anything until I'm over 12 weeks (well, only bought one book on 'Raising happy brothers and sisters' -how to make sure the first born is not left out, jealous, etc).
Had a crap couple of days; nursery called yesterday at work asking to pick DD up, because she had been sneezing blood, had a temperature and a bloodshot eye. So took her to the docs this morning and she's got conjunctivitis. I know, nothing to worry about, but had to keep her at home today, which is one of my work days. So, had to get loads of work done around her, make a conference call and finish it all tonight. Not great. Apparently, nursery will accept her tomorrow and will also administer the medication. So fingers crossed. Of course it's only normal she goes through lots of illnesses, etc - it's the work pressure I'm finding hard to cope with. Before we had DD I would always bow to it and stay as long as it takes, working all extra hours in order to get the job done. It's just weird when you can't do that anymore.....I'm sure I'll get used to it somehow, it's only been 3 weeks...
Hope you're having a good week!
Lots of love to you, your babies and bumps!
bina
ttc 2.5 yrs
endometriosis treated May 2003
IVF Apr 2004 +ve: Lucy was born 27.12.04
2nd IVF Jan06 +ve; EDD 30th October 2006 - feeling sooo lucky and praying for a healthy delivery!!!

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Postby Laura M » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:14 am

That's it: Stork! Now.. How can I incorporate this with the bump?!.. :wink:

Debra: Great news about the beta: it is rising and no pains!
How is the weather? Skiing about?

It is not the cold itself in England that I don't like it , but the greyness. I love strong colours so the winter here can be a little too long. But I love the spring in England: the best place in the world! So many beautiful gardens and quaint little villages. Very special.

And Bina, not old boring Germany! It is a great place! Now I am hungry non stop, eating is the only way to stop the morning sickness. But while I feel queasy thinking of food , I crave strong dishes! Thinking of Germany, made me want to eat a big pork nuckle with lots of crispy skin....Uhm..
And how I am dying to eat Japanese! If only we could!

I think I am the unlucky one with the morning sickness, so enjoy not having this!
My breasts just started to feel a bit sore now, so funny how everyone is different!

Have a great day! (We woke up with snow, DD built a little snowman, how cute is that!)
love Laura
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Postby DebraP » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:00 pm

Laura, I'm sure DD loved the snow. We tried to get DD a pair of skis today, we know other 2 yr olds who have them but the smallest boots are still way too big so we might have to give this year a miss, which is a shame.

It was minus 20 last night in town, the coldest March night for 45 years apparently. DF is typical Norwegian insomuch he LOVES statistics so can always quote stuff like this to me!

Bina, DF reckons Germany is seriously underrated so don't go knocking it! I have very fond memories of my field trip to Rhens Am Rhine (?) when I was 14.

I think your DD will understand the baby-in-the-tummy-concept when your appearance changes. She's very young as yet. In 5-6m things will be different I'm sure.

Sorry to hear your DD wasn't well, esp. on a work day. Our nursery won't let them back with conjunctivitis either, we once had to make a trip to a quasi-ER for ointment one night otherwise she wouldn't have been able to go and it was a work day for both of us. I'm self-employed so no work, no pay. I totally sympathise with the work thing. I desperately miss working with colleagues and feeling useful but recognise how much I benefit from p/t working, mostly from home. Having said that.......

....I have just applied for an amazing, full time, permanent job I saw yesterday. I see very, very few jobs that would seriously consider me due to not having fluent Norwegian. This one I stand a chance with, I hope. Problem is, I'd want to start in April so as to qualify for maternity pay and the right to return. Not sure it's going to go that quickly. It's a game of dare I'm playing with myself really.

Other than that. No skiing due to feeling dizzy this morning, it went on for hours. Luckily DF was at home and I'd not left but I was all dressed and ready to go when it started. I also felt decidedly queasy this afternoon. I was grinning from ear to ear!! I've also noticed my digestion has gone to pot, tmi I'm sure but BMs are suddenly a problem. So...maybe I'm reading too much into everything but suddenly I'm starting to feel pg. Hooray!

hugs to us, and our existing and forthcoming IVF babies,
Debra
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Postby bina » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:41 am

Hello again on this cold Thursday morning (nothing compared to where you are Debra) - very icy, but at least the sun's shining!
Well done on feeling pregnant, you two! Great stuff!
I'm still only feeling hungry and tired, but not sure whether this is attributable to pgncy....oh well.
So here's a question: if (and it's still a big if, but let's be positive!) our scans show that our little embies (be there one or two!) are in the right place ie in our lovely thick uterus - does that mean the danger of ectopic is over? Do we then only have to worry about miscarriage, abnormalities and all the other stuff? Just wondered whether I can cut out one worry (to later replace it with another, but heck....).
At home with DD today, which is just lovely! It's all a bit too good to be true....! So I'm having to remind myself how lucky I really am!
Hope you're both having a good day! hugs to veryone,
bina
ttc 2.5 yrs
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IVF Apr 2004 +ve: Lucy was born 27.12.04
2nd IVF Jan06 +ve; EDD 30th October 2006 - feeling sooo lucky and praying for a healthy delivery!!!

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Postby DebraP » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:55 pm

Bina, I'm also at home with DD today. I taught a short class this morning and luckily managed to get home 15mins before DF needed to leave for work (he starts early afternoon). Tag parenting! DD has a fever, cold and a low-boredom threshold! Luckily I stockpile arts and craft things year round for just such an occasion.

Once the scan shows the embryo(s) to be in the uterus and not the fallopian tubes, then yes the risk of ectopic can be wiped off the list of worries. It's my number one concern after having an ectopic last spring. I've not had pain for about a week so I'm trying to relax about it.

Have fun at home with DD.
Debra.
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Postby Laura M » Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:31 am

Good morning!

I feel you are both not having ectopic pregs. Just normal , healthy ones so start thinking of names!
I have a terrible headache so just to say hi and that I booked a scan in Nice on the 11th of March. Hopefully I can understand the doctor!
We just want to see that little hearbeat , don't we?
Speak soon,
Love
Laura
PS: i agree , it is so hard to entertain toddlers in winter!
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Postby DebraP » Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:51 pm

I should know better. I've been lurking on an October babies message board and it only makes me depressed. All the women are going on about m/s, weight gain + a raft of other symptoms (being cold, unable to sleep, peeing more etc.). I know that with an edd of 29th, I only just squeeze in and some will be 4 weeks ahead but still.....I've none of these pg symtoms, just the sore boobs that I assume are down to the pessaries. I need to see that heartbeat on Friday, big time.

Laura, good luck with your scan on 11th. I think Bina's is on 9th, mine the 10th and yours the 11th. By the time you come back we should all be smiling!

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Postby Juliana » Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:13 am

Hi Debra, Laura and Bina,
Hope you don't mind me butting in on your happy thread, I just wanted to say good luck with the scans next week! and Debra, you should know better than to worry so much about symptoms. Just to remind you, so many people, including me (with twins and very high levels of the preg hormone, forgot the name, but you know what I mean) had no symptoms especially at the start. i remember obsessing about not throwing up, a friend of mine pg at the same time (natural) was throwing up and hardly out of bed and I was just a little tired. Well, it all ended well, so I expect the same for you three and will be watching for those scan results next week. Laura, I do hope the doctor is understandable, i know what it is to do everything not in your mother tongue (being a bulgarian living in the netherlands and speaking english at home), but when you see the little blob you will know yourself what it is and that's the most important thing.
By the way, if you have any ideas how I can keep my 17 and a half months twins from climbing the walls please share them. They are driving me crazy and the weather is not great for spending much time outside. I tried to get them to draw yesterday but it seems a bit too early - they mostly put the pensils in their mouths!
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Postby DebraP » Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:25 pm

Juliana, you are very sweet, thank you for the reassurance.

A rainy day (aka. winter) tip or two.

* Divide their toys in 2. Rotate them (except the must-have favourites) once every 2 weeks or so.
* keep Play-Dough etc. out of sight and only produce it now and again.
*the rolls of paper at Ikea (for example) are great if taped over a dining/child's table and let them go crazy with fat crayons, doesn't matter what they do as the paper covers the whole table.
*painting, again don't worry about what they do, just cover them well and make sure they don't paint the walls!
*I look in cheap book shops for art + craft things. Tissue paper, glitter, feathers, beads etc. I save loo roll tubes, egg boxes etc. tip some kid-glue on the box/ tube/paper and let the kids stick what they like on.
*macaroni sticks well to paper and glitter sticks to macaroni...
*make some flour + water 'dough' let them roll it, chop it and then bake it. A really lovely thing is to make a fat pita bread shape, get the child to press their hand in and then bake it hard, having made a hole at the top. Once baked hard, tip glue in the hand shape and fill with glitter, tie a ribbon through the hole at the top. It's never too early to start thinking of grandparents' christmas presents...
*kids like painting with water on outside walls, adult paint brushes are best.
*painting with chalk on garden steps/paths etc. It washes off in the rain.

I had an amazing list from a website a year or so ago. I'll look and see if I can find it.

Good luck with those rainy days,
Debra.
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