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Postby leebo » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:53 pm

i was told today by a specilist at the hospital that i have a 0 sperm count and will never father a child.
all i know is i had undesended testies when i was born and had 2 ops to bring them down.
after he look me over he said the testies are slightly smaller and softer than normal, also i have a very high fsh or fhs hormone level and because of this it means im not making and sperm and chances of finding one through another op is basically 0 also.
i think the levels of fsh or fhs makes a huge differance as i was only there 5mins when he said all this.
is this the bottom line for me?
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Postby Traci » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:57 pm

Lee
Sorry to here you have been through so much already, I am not sure what the answere to your question but if its anything like a womens FSH then if it is high the women dosent produce many eggs or they are very poor quality and usually a sign of Menopause, sorry I cant help any more , I am sure someone will be able to help

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Postby Traci » Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:03 pm

Found this on the net

3. Why would a man need a test for female hormones?
Men also produce FSH and LH in their bodies, and these hormone levels are important for male reproduction too. In men, FSH stimulates the testes to produce sperm just as in women FSH stimulates the ovaries to produce eggs. In men, LH can be measured if testosterone levels are low.
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How is it used?
When is it ordered?
What does the test result mean?
Is there anything else I should know?


How is it used?
FSH is often used in conjunction with other tests (LH, testosterone, estradiol, and progesterone) in the workup of infertility in both men and women. FSH levels are also useful in the investigation of menstrual irregularities and to aid in the diagnosis of pituitary disorders. In children, FSH and LH are used to diagnose delayed or precocious (early) puberty.


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When is it ordered?
In women and men, FSH and LH are ordered as part of the workup of infertility and pituitary disorders. FSH may also be ordered to determine if a woman has reached menopause. FSH levels also help to determine the reason a man has a low sperm count. In children, FSH and LH may be ordered when a boy or girl does not appear to be entering puberty at an appropriate age (either too late or too soon).


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What does the test result mean?
In women, FSH and LH levels can help to differentiate between primary ovarian failure (failure of the ovaries themselves) and secondary ovarian failure (failure of the ovaries due to disorders of either the pituitary or the hypothalamus). Increased levels of FSH and LH are consistent with primary ovarian failure. Some causes of primary ovarian failure are listed below.

Developmental defects:

Ovarian agenesis (failure to develop ovaries)
Chromosomal abnormality, such as Turner’s syndrome
Ovarian steroidogenesis defect, such as 17 alpha hydroxylase deficiency
Premature ovarian failure due to:

Radiation
Chemotherapy
Autoimmune disease
Chronic anovulation (failure to ovulate) due to:

Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)
Adrenal disease
Thyroid disease
Ovarian tumor
When a woman enters menopause and her ovaries stop working, FSH levels will rise.

Low levels of FSH and LH are consistent with secondary ovarian failure due to a pituitary or hypothalamic problem.

In men, high FSH levels are due to primary testicular failure. This can be due to developmental defects in testicular growth or to testicular injury, as indicated below.

Developmental defects:

Gonadal agenesis
Chromosomal abnormality, such as Klinefelters syndrome
Testicular failure:

Viral infection (mumps)
Trauma
Radiation
Chemotherapy
Autoimmune disease
Germ cell tumor
Low levels are consistent with pituitary or hypothalamic disorders.

In young children, high levels of FSH and LH and development of secondary sexual characteristics at an unusually young age are an indication of precocious puberty. This is much more common in girls than in boys.

PLEASE NOTE: Numerically reported test results are interpreted according to the test's reference range, which may vary by the patient's age, sex, as well as the instrumentation or kit used to perform the test. A specific result within the reference (normal) range – for any test – does not ensure health just as a result outside the reference range may not indicate disease. To learn more about reference ranges, please see the article, Reference Ranges and What They Mean. To learn the reference range for your test, consult your doctor or laboratorian. Lab Tests Online recommends you consult your physician to discuss your test results as a part of a complete medical examination.

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Is there anything else I should know?
FSH results can be increased with use of cimetidine, clomiphene, digitalis, and levodopa. FSH results can decrease with oral contraceptives, phenothiazines, and hormone treatments.
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Postby tanya » Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:11 am

Hi,
I would'nt give up just yet, the same thing happened to my husband and we were told there was nothing they could do, he had the high fsh and has to have testorone injections eventually but we went to another
doctor who said he would try and suck some out with a needle this biopsy has a special name but can't think of it at the moment anyway they found
a handfulof sperm, were there words, so we went ahead with treatment and I got 16
eggs of which all fertilised and we froze ten embryo's, unfortunately that cycle didn't result in pregnancy but we still got frozen ones, so get a second opinion or ask for the biopsy it can't hurt.
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Postby Sher8 » Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:20 pm

Lee,

My husband was told the same thing. I suggest that you visit another doctor for a second opinion. My husband had the sperm aspiration procedure and we went through ICSI treatement. I am currently 31 weeks pregnant. It only takes one sperm. . .

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Postby NickiMark » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:48 pm

My dh has no sperm, Azoospermia on several tests, however the last test showed one single sperm there!!! But we are still going witha donor... xx
TTC 6yrs......Have jumped off the rollercoaster for now, too many BFN's and too much heartache, to keep going....Moving on to fulfil other dreams!!!
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Postby souris » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:13 pm

Hi there,

the biopsy must be TESE ot MESE, ask you doc about it!

wish u the best!

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Postby Lis » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:23 pm

Lee,

If you still look at this thread - my DH is in the exact same position. He had undescended testicles until aged 12 (when he had the op) and he is also azoospermic. His FSH level is high but we were told yesterday there is as a 30% chance of finding sperm from the biopsy. If the first one is negative he can have another one. Don't despair. All they need is one sperm for ICSI. If there's anything else I can help you with, just say - startin to become an expert on this male stuff.... :)
Me 32 DH 34 - severe male factor
5 failed donor inseminations July- Nov '06
6th DI Jan '07 ...... finally ..... OMG BFP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby gdph630 » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:30 am

same thing happened to us first cycle not to good, 2nd cycle we had 11 embyos 7 survived we froze five neg, fet on 3 still neg 2 more left goin to try in 06 wish me luck
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Postby Lis » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:16 pm

Wishing you all the luck in the world!! :D :D
Me 32 DH 34 - severe male factor
5 failed donor inseminations July- Nov '06
6th DI Jan '07 ...... finally ..... OMG BFP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby jp » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:35 am

Hi, have you tried Mesa or Tesa? I'm sure his doctor would be able to get some sperm out.

My Husband had a same problem ( No sperm at all) and we did Mesa and got good amount of sperm ( he's missing his tube ). TESA - When sperm are only present in the testis and not in the collecting tubules, they can be obtained directly from the testicle in a technique known as testicular sperm aspiration or TESA.

In TESA, the sperm are collected while the patient is under light anesthesia (conscious sedation). A fine needle is inserted into the testis to extract sperm from the tubules. The technique takes about 30 minutes to perform.


I hope this will help you! Good luck.
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Postby jp » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:37 am

gdph630 wrote:same thing happened to us first cycle not to good, 2nd cycle we had 11 embyos 7 survived we froze five neg, fet on 3 still neg 2 more left goin to try in 06 wish me luck


Good luck! Lets us know what's happening.
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Postby NickiMark » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:26 pm

My hubby has no sperm....we are using a donor.
TTC 6yrs......Have jumped off the rollercoaster for now, too many BFN's and too much heartache, to keep going....Moving on to fulfil other dreams!!!
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Postby NickiMark » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:19 pm

Lee, How's you?? Whats happening, have you and dw had tmt yet? What route did u take?

All the best xx
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Postby sweety2006 » Thu May 18, 2006 2:53 pm

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