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Postby sleepyfoy » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:15 pm

I am a 39yo that had a transfer done the 3 of June. Four embroys were placed. Since the day after, I had moderate ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome- Even after the implantation, I had discomfort. On this past Monday, I knew in my heart of hearts I wasn't pregnant and on Tues I took a pee test. When it was neg, I called Duke and they had me come in for a blood test that just confirmed the pee test. They said that even though it was day 11, the level of HCG should start increasing. That coming back on Thursday( my scheduled test) wouldn't make a difference. Has anyone failed on the first try and succeeded thereafter? I was luckey enough to have some "put in the freezer' but I don't know if they will let me do it this next cycle or wait til Aug. I was so hopeful and just devestated that it didn't happen. My sister in law had one done last year and it worked on the first time. Work is very difficult today because I am a dentist and we had to tell a small number of patients why we had to reschedule them..Seems like they are all coming back for their follow up appt today and being nice and asking . Thanks for any other responses .
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Postby LittleP » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:51 pm

Hi there Sleepyfoy

Welcome to the site.

I am so sorry about your recent result - it's never an easy time.

There are plenty of girls on this site who have had more than one attempt at IVF and been successful in a following treatment. There is always hope. I am sure you will get loads of replies from women who can reassure you that it is worth trying again.

It is important to give yourself time to come to terms with the result and pamper yourself and do all those things that you put on hold whilst undergoing IVF, so that when you are ready to go again you feel refreshed.

Take care and loads of PMA

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IVF with Frozen- any Success?

Postby sleepyfoy » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:59 pm

Thank you little P for replying. Even though I have an English brother in law who I debate heavily on the difference between pudding and cake....I have no idea what PMA is... is it positive mental attitude or something else? If it is a positive mental attitude........ That is really hard today. When I am not seeing pts, I am sitting in my closed office crying.Like a light switch... Sad then Happy. I am wondering if anyone has had success with frozen embryo's on their second try or any try....Hope someone can help me out on this one. Thanks
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Postby Sand » Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:28 am

Hi Sleepyfoy ... Welcome to the Site. Sorry you've had your disappointment. Many of us know just how you feel. I can tell you that it will get easier, but will take time.

First cycle +ves are the exception really, Sleepyfoy. Most of us have been through more than one cycle to reach our dream. Rest assured, frosties (frozen embryos) DO work. We've seen many success stories here.

You're right - PMA is positive mental attitude. You need tons of it. A PMA positively influences your biochemistry.

My hospital make you wait for 3 AFs (periods) after a fresh cycle. This is to ensure the drugs are out of your sytem, and you can start from scratch.

Don't feel alone in your treatment, we're all here to support you.

Sandra x
Me 41 yrs old - dh 49 yrs old. ttc 110 yrs.
1st cycle (ICSI)....Mar 04 -ve.
2nd cycle (ICSI)....Aug 04 -ve.
3rd cycle FET........May 05 -ve.
4th cycle (ICSI) ... Feb 06 -ve
5th cycle FET ..... Feb/Mar 11
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Postby sleepyfoy » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:21 pm

Hi Sandra-

Wow- 3 cycles you have to wait out? I have an appt with my dr on Tuesday to see if we can do the frozen cycle this time- Maybe because the meds are different, I can- We will see. I am going to request until I am blue in the face for a clotting factor blood test. This last disappointment makes 3- so hopefully they will listen to me and do the blood test. Sometimes your body mistakes something wonderful for something foreign and gets rid of it. One of my dental pts goes to the same clinic as I do and she lost three and they ran the blood test and started her on a blood thinner. She successfully carried Callie and now is pregnant with a little boy. I just want to know why I can't carry a baby.

Thank you for your support!

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Postby Sand » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:13 pm

Hi Jodi ... Quite a few clinics suggest baby aspirin as part of the regime (which does the same blood thinning job). Many don't though .... saying that surveys to date have proved inconclusive.

Soooo many different protocols !!! Why is it all this difficult !!

Good luck with your appointment on Tues. Let us know how you go on.

Sandra x
Me 41 yrs old - dh 49 yrs old. ttc 110 yrs.
1st cycle (ICSI)....Mar 04 -ve.
2nd cycle (ICSI)....Aug 04 -ve.
3rd cycle FET........May 05 -ve.
4th cycle (ICSI) ... Feb 06 -ve
5th cycle FET ..... Feb/Mar 11
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Postby sleepyfoy » Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:56 pm

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Congratulations on your two big fat pink spots! I am from the US- North Carolina is the state I live in and the town is very tiny. You are from my most favorite place in the world. I love Italy. Last year after a suspected miscarriage on Clomid- we visited some friends in the Netherlands and we took a a detour to Cinque Terre.

My husband is away on a buisness trip so Iwill be going to the dr all by myself tomorrow to see what the next step is for my "Frosties"- I love English slang! I am still having a very hard time dealing with my IVF not taking. I cry at the drop of a hat. My inlaws are coming this weekend for a week and I am kinda not looking forward to it. Their daughter who is my age just had a baby girl through her first attempt at IVF- HOWEVER she does not want her parents to know it was done through IVF. I look forward to reading this message board. It does give me some hope and a little bit of peace.
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Postby dancola » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:55 pm

I’m also 39 and managed to get a +ve on my first attempt last November. We couldn’t believe our luck, but sadly I shortly afterwards m/c. I had to wait for 4 cycles before trying again (until March) because even a short-lived pg takes longer to leave the system. My last cycle in April was a –ve and I was immediately tested for the bloodflow/clotting issues you mention (called anticardiolipins and anti-coagulants) AND uterine Natural Killer Cells (see general forum for info). I came up +ve for higher levels of NKC which my consultant things explains the m/c and failed cycle. Next cycle I’ll be treated with steroids.

As the others have said, I think only a lucky few manage it first time and I believe the average is around 3 attempts. So you’re not unusual in any way. I sort of expected to fail first time and was very surprised when we got a +ve. I was more upset the second time though. You could ask your consultants to test you – there’s no harm in doing that as it’s another thing that can be ruled out.

Like your sister-in-law, our families don’t know about our problems/treatment and, if we were ever successful, we would not tell my husband’s family. They are Italian and IVF seems a bit frowned upon over there, particularly by the Catholic church (shamefully a recent referendum to allow donor eggs/sperm failed because only 18% of the population even bothered to vote after the Vatican told them not to). We’re using our own eggs and sperm but there would still be a stigma attached to it.
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Postby sleepyfoy » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:20 am

Dancola-
Wow...Thank you for your response. I am glad that they found out what could be wrong. I had my dr. appt today and it didn't go that great...My husband is in Philadelphia on a business trip and I had to go by myself... About the first thing my dr said was... Have you and your husband considered adoption... I was stunned... My first cycle and she is already given up on me I felt...She said that my embryos divided ok and that she didn't have a reason why it failed. I asked her then if I could have the blood tests done and she said that she usually doesn't order them unless there has been a true miscarriage.. I thought to myself.. Four embryos were implanted and I lost them- what do you call that? She did two tests on me- I have an appt with her nurse on Thursday( husband will attend) and I will go with the name of the tests you had... I see the Dr on Tues and have my uterus "flushed" out- Have you heard of this? It is an ultrasound guided saline rinse to make sure there is no "junk" there. Thank you so much for responding to me- I am SO grateful that I found this message board. I know that I need to work on my attitude right now- It sucks. I am going to look into acupuncture- I was actually suppose to have acupuncture done on the day of implantation, but the acupuncturist had a pt that went into labor at 5:30 am on the same day.
Thank you so much for answering me- I hope that all is well with you.
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Postby dancola » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:56 am

I think the ‘flushing out’ could possibly be a hysteroscopy but am not 100% sure. No, I’ve not had one of those.

Your doctor sounds a bit negative suggesting adoption after only 1 failed attempt – IVF is often a lottery and whilst it may work first time, equally it may work 2nd, 3rd or even 5th time (there are some women who are now pg on their 5th attempt). Certainly you should try again. The doctor is within her rights not to test you yet for the stuff I’ve had as she has no reason yet to suspect there is anything wrong. You may well succeed on your next round. I was tested after 2 cycles because I had a +ve the first time and then a m/c, and the 2nd time I had a –ve after a 5-day blasto transfer (as I had the first time). I think that, given I get to blastocyst each time therefore theoretically should have a better chance, the doctors decided to investigate why implantation fails. In my case, their hunch was right and I have the higher uNKC levels.

Re acupuncture, I am now having this. It’s important to find a practitioner that specialises in IVF. Mine is very good and understands the process completely. It helps if you take your BBT every day and chart it (I have always done this since we started trying). It tells you when you have ovulated and gives your acu therapist a good idea of how your cycle works and is important for working out if your luteal phases etc are OK.

Finally, I too go to all appointments and scans on my own – including follow up appointments. My DH doesn’t like to attend (even though we are doing this because of male factor) but I’m pretty tough so can cope alone!
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