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Hi
So glad to see this thread too - I think I caught up with a few of you on the FET in February Cycle. It is good to share with people in the same basket. I can't shake this feeling somehow like I am less deserving - than all those trying for the first.

Going through the 5 years of childlessness and infertility before Maia was born in Nov 06, and understanding how totally devastating it can be (I was definatly in the basket case category) - I kind of feel guilty even sharing same threads as all those trying the first time around - because the gulf between childlessness and having a success is so huge.

At the clinic I am even feel a bit guilty there - I get the FET free as part of a continuation of the one funded cycle you can get in NZ - I almost feel like I can't mention we had Maia - because they might be less interested in doing everything they can to get it right!! Total paranoia!

Agggghhhh. I am day 3 of 2ww wait now after FET transfer (first of four frosties thawed okay), with a result next Monday. Am so convinced it won't work, and can't even face it, I want it to work so bad! At at same time so sure it MUST work coz it has before. Just want this week to be OVER!



Brandy - we'll need to think of something to kill the time! Good luck with waiting!

Yellow - Do you still get your insured cycle after you use up your remaining frozen eggs? - if thats the case - I would say try the frozen ones first - what's to loose? Unless you were thinking of more than 2 successes -then would make sense to generate as many opportunities as you can.

Beth - Good luck with the decision and take your time working it all through! I would agree coverage is a good idea, although you might feel like your bandying around - I think it makes sense to exhaust all the opportunities available, and if the insured cycle for some reason didn't work - you are less out of pocked and more able to afford coming back to your current clinic. Good luck!

Laura - It is hard make the jump back on the bandwagon! A lot of the same old feelings came rushing back as I was up having my FET. It does only take one though! Maia was a FET success - and a friend of mine is now 6 months pregnant with her second child - she only had two FET's, neither a very good grade - and will have two children from them!!

Sorry if missed anyone. I hope this thread keeps going for a while!

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Post by Melo_P »

Hi
So glad to see this thread too - I think I caught up with a few of you on the FET in February Cycle. It is good to share with people in the same basket. I can't shake this feeling somehow like I am less deserving - than all those trying for the first.

Going through the 5 years of childlessness and infertility before Maia was born in Nov 06, and understanding how totally devastating it can be (I was definatly in the basket case category) - I kind of feel guilty even sharing same threads as all those trying the first time around - because the gulf between childlessness and having a success is so huge.

At the clinic I am even feel a bit guilty there - I get the FET free as part of a continuation of the one funded cycle you can get in NZ - I almost feel like I can't mention we had Maia - because they might be less interested in doing everything they can to get it right!! Total paranoia!

Agggghhhh. I am day 3 of 2ww wait now after FET transfer (first of four frosties thawed okay), with a result next Monday. Am so convinced it won't work, and can't even face it, I want it to work so bad! At at same time so sure it MUST work coz it has before. Just want this week to be OVER!



Brandy - we'll need to think of something to kill the time! Good luck with waiting!

Yellow - Do you still get your insured cycle after you use up your remaining frozen eggs? - if thats the case - I would say try the frozen ones first - what's to loose? Unless you were thinking of more than 2 successes -then would make sense to generate as many opportunities as you can.

Beth - Good luck with the decision and take your time working it all through! I would agree coverage is a good idea, although you might feel like your bandying around - I think it makes sense to exhaust all the opportunities available, and if the insured cycle for some reason didn't work - you are less out of pocked and more able to afford coming back to your current clinic. Good luck!

Laura - It is hard make the jump back on the bandwagon! A lot of the same old feelings came rushing back as I was up having my FET. It does only take one though! Maia was a FET success - and a friend of mine is now 6 months pregnant with her second child - she only had two FET's, neither a very good grade - and will have two children from them!!

Sorry if missed anyone. I hope this thread keeps going for a while!

Cheers
M
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Post by Yellow »

Thanks, Melo. Good luck with your 2ww!

I totally understand what you mean about feeling less deserving and about mentioning number one. I remember it being hard for me to deal with kids and pregnant women and I want to be sensitive to other women going through that.

You deserve to have as many babies as you have love to give to. (That goes for all of you. :) )

Brandy - I can believe that you forgot how you felt with #1. I think I was in a daze and I couldn't believe it was real until I had a big ol' belly. Good luck with everything.

I'll confess that I was nervous when I found out I was pregnant. I was so happy, but I was worried what kind of mother I'd be -- worried if I'd enjoy it -- worried if it would change my relationship with DH. DD is 20 months now and I'm so happy. In some ways I think I want another baby even more. I know what I'm getting into and I know it's what I want.

When IVF #2 didn't work I took it really hard. I really thought it would work since #1 did. I'm more nervous to start #3 because I really want it to work and I'm worried it won't. I'm having a hard time getting excited about it.

I only get coverage for one more cycle, whether it's fresh or frozen. DH and I were thinking we'd maximize our chances for our covered cycle -- plus have more chances for FETs which won't be covered. I've hear FET are cheaper than fresh cycles. Anybody have a ballpark idea how much cheaper?

Wow, I can really ramble. Thanks so much for listening. BTW, I love reading other's rants, too. :)

Yes, let's keep this thread going.

Yel
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Yellow- In response to your money question...not sure where you are, but at my clinic a fresh cycle (with meds) costs approximately $15000. When my last one did not work, we discussed how much the FET would be. They said without meds, it would run about $1000. Quite a difference. So, we will be doing our FET in June or July. I am opting to do a medicated FET cycle, as we are not absolutely sure if and when I ovulate. I believe we will only do this once, but we will see.
I have severe endo, so that keeps us from doing another fresh cycle. That, and the money factor. I just can't seem to get past the whole, this is my dd's college money I am spending.

melo- I understand your comment about the less deserving than those still trying to get number one. I took it for granted that it always works on the first time. I feel so bad for those on the thread who have tried time and time again. It just goes to show, that you just never know what it takes to make it work.
I must admit with #1, I was shocked it worked. However, I don't think I stressed over it as much as I did with the last time I tried. I went into the whole thing saying if it works great, if not, oh well.
anyhow...don't be ashamed...we deserve children as much as the next person. And we deserve # 2 as much as anyone deserves #1.

I know I missed lots of you guys...but gotta run transfer laundry. Have a great night, and stay positive!!!
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hrobinson - I am not sure if you recieved my response - thank you so much for responding and good luck.

We are just scared and endo is so mysterious - I fear it is implantation from the endo that is the problem since everything else we are "normal"...but RE so far strongly says "no"
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
Beta 602 6/18
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IrishHope- did not receive your reply, so thanks for tracking me down.
You are right when you say endo is so mysterious. I often wonder what on earth I did to deserve this. Noone else in my family has this, or anything like it :cry: However, we did get our Miracle Baby almost 3 years ago, and I have faith that she will have a sibling.
Just keep the faith.
I must say that I am glad your dr. also says the endo has nothing to do with it. Helps me feel good about my dr.
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hrobinson - so many doctors say different things about endo which is why I am "scared" ...I guess I have to trust him having 20+ years of RE experience and some concentration with endo...I always read endo never goes fully away - once you have it you have it - however, it can "flare up" or it can almost rest...wihch mine seems to be doing. One of my 3 sisters has endo and I suspect my Mom (but she is older so they didn't test then)

My sister had success w/ her first IVF and then had a second child on her own!

thanks again and your story of having a dd has picked me up to keep the faith!
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
Beta 602 6/18
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Hello Ladies,
I hope everyone is well.

I have a groan moment I need to get off my chest.
Today I took DD to her toddler class and one of the moms is 6 months PG and showing her belly to everyone. Every sentence that came out of her mouth contained, "well, I AM 6 months along now..."

I came to a strong realization that I REALLY want another baby. DD is at such a fun age right now, and I miss being pregnant.

It's weird, I almost feel so selfish wanting #2, and it really sucks that it is so hard. I sound like a spoiled little brat....

anyway, I just needed to complain...thanks. (how's that for a rant, Yellow?)

Yellow ~ did you decide what you are going to do for your next cycle? At our clinic FET was about 1/4 of the cost of a fresh cycle. Why did you decide to do IVF #2 instead of a frozen cycle? Was it the coverage? We feel like we should have done fresh instead this last time...maybe FET was a mistake. But I probably wouldn't feel that way if it had worked!

Mel ~ How are you doing on your 2ww? What did your RE tell you about how to take care of DD while on your wait? any restrictions? or do you have help?

Brandy ~ how is your wait going?? Just a few more days!

Laura ~ I think I am taking more than a couple months off. We are out of frosties, so our next one will be fresh. Still haven't made a decision about what to do, clinic wise...

hrobinson ~ where are you in your cycle? sorry if you have already explained, I need to go back and read the beginning of this thread again!

Well, I am off!

beth
Me 37, Dh 44
1st IVF: BFP! DD born Jan.'07
1st FET: 2/08: BFN
2nd IVF: 6/08: BFN
3rd IVF: 11/08: BFP! B/G TWINS born July'09
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Hello Ladies,
I hope everyone is well.

I have a groan moment I need to get off my chest.
Today I took DD to her toddler class and one of the moms is 6 months PG and showing her belly to everyone. Every sentence that came out of her mouth contained, "well, I AM 6 months along now..."

I came to a strong realization that I REALLY want another baby. DD is at such a fun age right now, and I miss being pregnant.

It's weird, I almost feel so selfish wanting #2, and it really sucks that it is so hard. I sound like a spoiled little brat....

anyway, I just needed to complain...thanks. (how's that for a rant, Yellow?)

Yellow ~ did you decide what you are going to do for your next cycle? At our clinic FET was about 1/4 of the cost of a fresh cycle. Why did you decide to do IVF #2 instead of a frozen cycle? Was it the coverage? We feel like we should have done fresh instead this last time...maybe FET was a mistake. But I probably wouldn't feel that way if it had worked!

Mel ~ How are you doing on your 2ww? What did your RE tell you about how to take care of DD while on your wait? any restrictions? or do you have help?

Brandy ~ how is your wait going?? Just a few more days!

Laura ~ I think I am taking more than a couple months off. We are out of frosties, so our next one will be fresh. Still haven't made a decision about what to do, clinic wise...

hrobinson ~ where are you in your cycle? sorry if you have already explained, I need to go back and read the beginning of this thread again!

Well, I am off!

beth
Me 37, Dh 44
1st IVF: BFP! DD born Jan.'07
1st FET: 2/08: BFN
2nd IVF: 6/08: BFN
3rd IVF: 11/08: BFP! B/G TWINS born July'09
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Oh Beth. I know exactly what you mean. It is so hard when "other" people can just get pregnant at the drop of a hat. they don't truely understand all that we go through to get what we have. I don't think half the time people even realize how insensitive they are being. There have been many a times I have just wanted to go off and cry. However, I just look at dd and say thanks to modern science I have her.
My sister especially makes me mad. She can get pregnant at the drop of a hat and doesn't even like kids. She has actually had 4 abortions "just because." Then there's peopel like us forking out a load of money and a lot of prayers with the hope of having just one.
Rant any time you want!!!

As for me...I am in limbo...between cycles. I have to travel 360 miles to do my treatments. Therefore, I do it when I have vacation time, which is only in the summers. I am hoping to do a FET either in June or July. I really need to call my clinic and work through all the dates.

Gotta run home and get dd. Will do personals later.
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Just a quick drop in

Beth - :lol: hee hee - yup its funny how suddenly the realisation grabs you! In some ways am going through the FET now - coz feel like I have to strike whilst I can to maximise the chances (i.e. younger (sort of ish at 34!) the better) - and am almost trying at the stage before I DESPERATELY want to be pregnant and have another baby - its scary thinking about getting to that point again and not being able to control the outcome!

Yellow - I'd say yes to go with the fresh cycle - especially if its going to be less costly to pay to use the FET if this failed (all appendages crossed that it won't!) - then you can always go back and pay for the exisiting FET's you have left now and then potentially any further FET after a new fresh cycle - you'd get lots more go's for the cost of one fresh cycle. Headache to think of going through all the fresh stuff again if you don't really have to though huh? If only we could know in advance!


4 days left to beta results - but I really deep down think I know it hasn't worked. Having lots of AF cramping - I recall just a little of this with the BFP last time - but this TOTALLY feels like crappy AF is about to visit.

Only advice doc gave me is "business as usual!". I spent afternoon on same day of FET running round after bubba and was back at work the next day - so no break or excuses to not do the dishes or get my dinner made unfortunately!

catch you all later

Mel
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hrobinson ~ 360 miles?!!? for real?!?! wow. must be some clinic! :D
People can be insensitive on purpose or not on purpose. I didn't like the envious feeling that came over me while that momma was rubbing her '6 month along' belly.
I definitely am careful about what I say to people...like I don't EVER ask anyone "when are you going to have a/another baby??" You just never know what someone is going through.

Mel ~ I know what you mean...I am 36 and I feel my biological clock ticking and about to explode! I just can't get going, I think I am terrified of another BFN. I don't know how so many women go thru this so many times. God bless you all! I get one negative and I am ready to crawl in a hole.
Don't worry about your symptoms. From what I have heard, they are not the same from a postive IVF cycle. (or was your DD a result of FET?)
Hang in there, Monday will be here soon! My fingers are crossed for you.

beth
Me 37, Dh 44
1st IVF: BFP! DD born Jan.'07
1st FET: 2/08: BFN
2nd IVF: 6/08: BFN
3rd IVF: 11/08: BFP! B/G TWINS born July'09
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Melo, hrobinson, beth and anyone I missed: thanks for weighing in, I think we will go with another fresh cycle. It makes the most sense. I didn't realize a frozen was SO much cheaper. Thanks for the info.

Beth, the "wanting #2 "moment has grabbed me, too. I'm hosting a playgroup this afternoon. Two of the moms are pregnant with #2. Wish me luck.

Gotta go cut fruit. More latter.
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Hi all!

So glad that this thread has kept going and sorry I haven't been on here in a while...I have a feeling that I am going to feel just like you do Beth if our first FET doesn't work out next month. I keep thinking that I can't possibly be deserving of another baby but yet I'm pretty sure I want a sibling really bad for my son. And even though I've been pregnant the one time, I too really want to experience it again and it's hard to know other women just decide and that's it, they're pregnant- no fair!! It looks like a lot of us feel the same way about all this. Good luck to everyone on here!!

Laura
Me 33, DH 36
1st IVF: DS born 5/1/06
1st FET: 4/08- BFN
2nd FET: 7-3-08- cancelled :(
2nd IVF: 8/09- BFN
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Hi Ladies,

I made a list. Let me know if I missed anything or got something wrong.

#2 Girls

Melo_P: DD Nov 06, FET, hcg 3/16?

hrobinson: DD, FET in June/July

beth: DD Jan 07, Considering a new clinic

lauradc: DS May 06, FET in April

brs888: DD May 06, fresh cycle, hcg March 14

suzhan: DD June 07, pregnant!

jomae: DS 06, pregnant!

Yellow (me): DD June 06, fresh cycle April/May

Oh Beth, no crawling in holes! You can do it. I believe in you.

Mel, I know you've heard it before, but you never know. I was convinced my last IVF did work and I was so wrong. Life's funny that way. Good luck to you.

hrobinson, that is crazy about your sister. Must be very hard for you. Are you close? It is crazy that getting pregnant has so much to do with money. I can't get over it either.

Lauradc, if you've got room in your family, you deserve another baby. Sorry this can't be easier for all of us.

I need to call my clinic and convince them that wanting to do another fresh cycle doesn't make me crazy.

-Yel
Me 34, DH 33
1st IVF: DD born 6/06
2nd IVF: 2/08 BFN
3rd IVF: 5/08, transfer cancelled
1st FET: 7/08, chemical
2nd FET: eventually...
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