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Charity
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Post by Charity »

Souris...I understand your concerns about TP and that you don't have an immunity, but if it rests your mind, it appears that the majority of women do not...I looked it up on another site related to "immunity" specifically, and found an interesting article. Thought I would share, as I don't want you to be stressing about bringing your baby kitty home to its mommy...I think it's quite good...It's discusses statistics of women in the UK specifically, but would assume a similar percentage would apply elsewhere in other developed countries/regions...To be honest, I've never heard of being tested for this or even having (or not having) an immunity to this, so I really do appreciate you bringing this topic up...It's good to learn about anything that could have an affect on a growing fetus...OUR growing fetuses (PMAPMAPMA)... :) Take care dear...Talk to you soon...

Toxoplasmosis

It is thought that around 30% of women in the UK are immune to toxoplasmosis, but it is unusual to test for immunity in this country. If the mother has an illness or experience in very early pregnancy, which could damage her baby, then usually it will cause miscarriage rather than abnormalities in the baby.

The toxoplasmosis scare with regard to cats has limited foundation.
Even if you do change cat litter, it would be extremely hard for
you to catch toxoplasmosis from it - not impossible, but hard. You are much more likely to catch toxoplasmosis from eating rare or lightly cooked meat, and poor food hygiene generally.

Toxoplasmosis is caused by the parasite Toxoplasma gondii. It is only a danger to the unborn child if the mother contracts it during pregnancy for the first time. The infection can only cross the placenta in the acute phase of the illness, i.e. in the mother's first attack. After this the mother is usually immune, but even if she does have another dose, it will not harm the baby.

By the age of 25-30, it is estimated that around 30% of people in the UK will have had toxoplasmosis and so will be immune. In France and many other countries, it is routine to screen for toxoplasmosis antibodies in antenatal blood tests, so that the mother knows if she has to be careful or not. This is not considered cost-effective here, and if you do ask for a blood test, you have to make sure that the laboratory staff know that they are testing for toxoplasmosis *immunity* and not for a current infection. Normally when any test regarding toxo is requested here, it is to see if the mother has a current infection and so that is what lab staff will be expecting to look for.

So assuming you are not immune to toxoplasmosis, how do you go about catching it? Here's what you'd have to do with cats:

First, find a cat which is allowed outdoors and which hunts - as they
usually catch toxoplasmosis from eating rodent prey. Housebound cats will not be able to catch it. In cats generally, about 20-60% have been infected. The prevalence is highest in feral cats although domestic cats can catch it too. However, very few of these cats will actually be infectious themselves, as usually they will only transmit the disease during their primary infection. After the cat is first infected, it will shed oocysts (eggs) in its faeces for 10-14 days. It will not normally shed them after this period, and only around 1% of infected cats have been found to be infectious in surveys. However, the oocysts can survive for a year or more, so old cat faeces are potentially dangerous - e.g. ones that have been mouldering in your garden and which you stumble upon while weeding the borders.

So, having found your cat during its rare infectious period, you then have to actually ingest some of these oocysts to get infected. We are not talking about changing cat litter with basic hygiene precautions here. You actually have to ingest cat faeces somehow. If you are washing your hands after changing cat litter then this will be very unlikely. However, wearing gloves while gardening, and not touching your face or mouth while gardening, is probably a sensible precaution.

Just looking at the numbers here, if around 1% (and this is probably a high estimate) of cats are shedding oocysts at any particular time, and around 30% of women are immune anyway, then only around 0.6% of women who come into contact with one cat are at even a *theoretical* risk of catching toxoplasmosis from their cat while pregnant. And this would be assuming that they actually went out of their way to try to catch it, i.e. deliberately ate cat faeces! Bringing in basic hygiene precautions will mean that the proportion of that 0.6% of women who stand any realistic chance of being infected is miniscule.

Without being complacent about toxoplasmosis as it is a dreadful disease for a baby to catch in utero, it appears ridiculous that many pregnant women are paranoid about going near cats, when they should be concentrating their attentions on food hygiene and caution while gardening.

If you do catch toxoplasmosis in pregnancy, estimates of the likely
percentage of babies affected vary, as do estimates of the likely severity of the illness. For example: "there is approximately a 40% chance that the foetus will acquire the infection, and in around 10% of these cases, severe neurological or ocular disease is present at birth" or "The transmission rate from a maternal infection is about 45%. Of these 60% are sub-clinical infections, 9% result in death of the foetus and 30% have severe damage such as hydrocephalus, intracerebral calcification, retinochoroiditis and mental retardation."
Charity
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1st ICSI Oct-06 - No Fert
1st IUI w/Inj Jun-07 - BFPX2/MC
2nd IUI w/ Inj Mar-08 - BFN
3rd IUI w/Inj May-08 - Chem
4th IUI w/Inj Jul-08 - BFN
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Wow Charity you are walking talking fountain of knowledge!! Where do you find the time to look all this info up....

Vikcy - welcome to the thread - you are amongst friends and I've been through similiar circumstances back in Oct. I like Souris got AF about 3/4 weeks after my d/c however we are waiting a couple of months before we get back on IVF road to let my body go back to normal both physically and emotionally... I have about 7lbs to lose which I know isn't much but boy does it make a difference with clothes!! So thats my goal prior to starting again. You sound strong but give youself some time to heal. Great that you have some frosties to use.

Aj - I have started with accu, initially to get my cycle back on track and I do believe that is what started my AF, I had another session about the time I was due to ovulate and now I'm hoping for a little miracle..but we will see. I will carry on with accu once I go back onto my cycle, again as I have read various reports about those who have had accu have a higher % success rate but as charity says there was no break down in detail of age, cause of infertitily etc... I will try anything if it gives me a better chance!!

Susan, I'm from england live in a place called windlesham in surrey and so want to move to Australia!! I can't bear the weather we have over here and today is one of those days with miserable rain and winds.. you must be missing the sunshine, although have heard that melbourne isn't that brillant at the mo either! Sounds like your DH is definitely in his cave and as frustrating and annoying as it is, you may have to leave him there until he is ready to come out. Its where they go to try and sort things out although it isn't much help or comfort to you. Mine used to do that alot but I have to say with everything thats gone on, he has been a star but now again, he creeps back into his cave and I just leave him until he is ready to come out.... Problem is when they do come out, they then try to fix everything!! (for those of you that think I'm barking, its from the book, men are from mars, women from venus)

As for me, yeah have tried negotiating the job notice but they are not having it, will try again next week but your right, it is so motivating....not!! :twisted: And some of you may have read a few posts back about a colleague coming back from mat leave and I have been on secondment in the MG position so I lose that along with the money however I still going to have the same responsibilities and workload but less money so its no wonder why I want to leave! :x I am going to talk to my union rep to see what would happen if I just walk which is what I am tempted to do. Unfortunately, my DH also works in the same department and I would hate for him to then get brunt of my leaving.

Sorry just realising that I'm probably writing war and peace here.... I'm playing with my new HP photo printer which my dh brought me for chrimbo. One more day to go for 06 then roll on 07 which I feel is a lucky year for all of us...my favourite number and my birthday date!!

hugs to all
nimble xx
1st IVF - Sep 06 - +ve lost at 7wks
2nd IVF/ICSI - Apr 07 BFN
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:lol: Hi girls

Just a quick note as i have friends coming over tonight for a few lemonades haha. I am full of cold, cough and temperature (fever to all you American Gals :wink: ) but will get motivated. After the second alcohol beverage i probably won't notice :wink:

:lol: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE :lol:

Hope all our wishes come true in 2007

Love Jen x
me 38 dh 38, ttc for 6yrs,
HSG - Tubes Damaged
Bilateral Salpingectomy, 16th Aug 06,
Hysteroscopy - 30th Oct 07
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Nimble, thank you for your words, I also have some weight to lose, I also put around 7 pounds with the last treatment, and I was already almost 10 pounds above my normal weight, so I decided to start diet and gym again now after new year (I would be lying to myself if I decided to start before the holidays :lol: ), so I hope this 2 months before starting are enough to lose at least 10 pounds....will see.....And 07 is also my favourite number for some reason, so I hope it brings us all the best!!!!

Souris and any other that has been through d&c, for how long did you have spotting after the d&c??, its been a week since mine and I still have a brownish discharge, very small though (sorry if tmi :oops: ).....

Everbody.....HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by souris »

Hello girls

Vicky, I had heavy bleeding for a week and then spotting the 2nd week. Then nothing for 2 weeks, and AF again!

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souris
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04/ 05 ICSI -tive 02/06 ICSI. No fertilisation
09/ 06 ICSI. BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks.04/07 ? ICSI -tive
04/08 ICSI BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks
Feb 09 6th ICSI has started! neg
June 09 7th ICSI. Please make it happen!!
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Post by vicky77 »

Thank you so much Souris for your answer!!! :wink:
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Post by annag »

Hi ladies,

I would like to join your thread. I will be starting my IVF journey in February and don't know what to expect at all. I've been through 3 failed IUI attempts in the last 3 months and started AF today. I will meet with my RE in the next week to schedule an HSG to see if my one repaired tube is still open and then have a lap to remove it if closed. I have so many questions and I don't even know where to start. I'm scared and excited about all this and I'm glad to be on this site with very supportive people who go through the same thing.
Anna
Me 34 , DH 38
IUI x 3- BFN
IVF#1 March 07 BFN
FET June 07- BFP!

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Charity
Me 37, DH 34
1st ICSI Oct-06 - No Fert
1st IUI w/Inj Jun-07 - BFPX2/MC
2nd IUI w/ Inj Mar-08 - BFN
3rd IUI w/Inj May-08 - Chem
4th IUI w/Inj Jul-08 - BFN
Dx Homo C677T MTHFR Mutation - Aug-08
New Hope W/New Dx & New RE For Feb-08 IUI
Charity
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Charity…………….Baseline Jan 5th/Start Stims Jan 6th
Saxony…………….Waiting to Start Stims Mid-January

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AEJ………………Early Jan (Jan 9th Appt For Plan)
Vicky77.………Mid Jan (Start BCP's For FET)
Jen….……..……Due Mid-January
Souris…………January 24th (Waiting For Plan)

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AJDecker...............……..Enduring Clomid Challenge
Nimble...........…............ICSI Discussion Appt January 4th
Sat14 (Susan)...…......…RE Appt January 5th
AnnaG...........…............Schedule HSG 1st Week in January
Sully……....…..........………RE Appt January 8th
MumtoJazzie...…...........Appt January 9th
Hopeful2BPregnant...…..New Cycle
Nicki……………...............…3rd Week In Feb


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Charity
Me 37, DH 34
1st ICSI Oct-06 - No Fert
1st IUI w/Inj Jun-07 - BFPX2/MC
2nd IUI w/ Inj Mar-08 - BFN
3rd IUI w/Inj May-08 - Chem
4th IUI w/Inj Jul-08 - BFN
Dx Homo C677T MTHFR Mutation - Aug-08
New Hope W/New Dx & New RE For Feb-08 IUI
Charity
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Post by Charity »

Anna...You poor thing. Sounds like you've been through the wringer, kiddo...Doesn't sound like your journey is getting any easier, either. I'm guessing you've already had an HSG, so there should be no surprises there, but I can understand your feelings of being overwhelmed with the whole IVF process. I hope you know you've found a place where you are always welcome, and ask away...Most of the ladies here have already been through at least one cycle, so a lot of experience to pool from. I am so glad you found us, and if we can bring you any comfort, please don't hesitate to ask...We'll be reading you soon...Take care, Anna...
Charity
Me 37, DH 34
1st ICSI Oct-06 - No Fert
1st IUI w/Inj Jun-07 - BFPX2/MC
2nd IUI w/ Inj Mar-08 - BFN
3rd IUI w/Inj May-08 - Chem
4th IUI w/Inj Jul-08 - BFN
Dx Homo C677T MTHFR Mutation - Aug-08
New Hope W/New Dx & New RE For Feb-08 IUI
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Post by annag »

Charity, thanks so much for the warm welcome. I've definitely had a few hurdles come my way but just trying to be positive through all this. I've been trying to catch up and getting to know the ladies on the board and you gals are definitely wonderful. I can't wait to finally be able to talk to people who go through the same thing. I'm trying to keep a low profile at work with my ttc journey as 5 girls in our office are either pregnant or had their babies already in the last 2 years....I'm very happy for them but I can't help but be envious of how easily they got pregnant when I started this whole thing before anybody even thought of having babies.

Anyway, I do have a question already. I do have to call the clinic tomorrow to let them know about af coming. But what usually happens after getting af to start the ivf cycle? My RE wants to squeeze in an HSG to make sure there's no hydrosalpinx otherwise he has to remove it first. Do I wait for the next cycle if i get a lap or still continue with this cycle???

Thanks for listening! Sticky baby dust to all 8)

Anna
Me 34 , DH 38
IUI x 3- BFN
IVF#1 March 07 BFN
FET June 07- BFP!

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Anna...I know exactly how you feel on the work-front, but with recent changes at work, a lot of the "fertile myrtles" no longer work directly with me, so no baby bumps directly in my building any longer. Although, plenty of them over the phone...You sound like you're taking it well, though. I have been having a harder time with my nieces and nephews having babies...Just saw the baby bump of my niece on Christmas Eve...She looked so darn cute, too...I'll be a fat bloated mess when it's my turn, but I don't care cause I'm going to flaunt it to anyone who can bear to see...

Anyway, on your question, I can't comment on the lap part, but as far as what the next step would be has a lot to do with how your specific clinic works. With mine, they would likely put you on birth control for a month. They would do the HSG during that cycle. If there's no issues, then they will have you stay on BCPs until the beginning of their next round of IVF'ers. Then, since you're young and this is your first cycle, they'd probably put you on a long protocol. With it, they would have you start to down-reg (usually Lupron injections). My clinic would start you on this about a week before you take your last BCP. Then, on day three of your period, they'd have you come in for your "baseline" scan and preliminary bloodwork. Then, you would start stims the next day. They'd monitor you about 4 days later with your first ultrasound and some more bloodwork. Then, you would go in about two or three times over the next week and a half. Then, if all looked good, they have you trigger 36 hours before your schedule ER. From there, you would go in for ER surgery at the time designated. Then, you would wait for the phone call the next day on yrou fertilization rates...Does that help at all? If you do have to do the lap, I would suspect that it would postpone your start time by a couple months just to make sure you're okay and healing and to give you the best chance at implantation during your IVF cycle, but I could be wrong. Maybe some of the other ladies here could help on that subject. Ladies??

I better stop now, before I start writing a book or overwhelming you, but just thought I'd comment on how my first cycle was. Again, a lot has to do with the protocol they put you on, the clinic's processes/procedures, and their flexibility on scheduling. Hope it helped, Anna...? Take care dear...
Charity
Me 37, DH 34
1st ICSI Oct-06 - No Fert
1st IUI w/Inj Jun-07 - BFPX2/MC
2nd IUI w/ Inj Mar-08 - BFN
3rd IUI w/Inj May-08 - Chem
4th IUI w/Inj Jul-08 - BFN
Dx Homo C677T MTHFR Mutation - Aug-08
New Hope W/New Dx & New RE For Feb-08 IUI
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Post by jemima »

Hi Lovely Ladies,

HAPPY NEW YEAR :D :D
WISHING YOU ALL THE BEST IN 2007 :D :D

Charity, I saw your ticker!!! Im so excited for you. I also saw you picture in my space. OOppps... I hope you don't mind. Now, I can describe to God who 'Charity' I pray for :D
Anyway, we cancelled the adoption so far, cause it is so complicated here. But I know DH still finds away. I must respect his decision. He also supported me when i wanted to do with donor. About My friend's baby, she only sleep at night n all day we must hug her. Just about I almost broke my hand. DH must stayed at hospital cause typhoid fever. He is at home now, but taking off from his office. He is getting better. Thanks God.
Ive been so busy, i promise to come more often. I don't want to miss your journey to your BFP :D :D

Jeck, sorry Ive been so busy I dont have time to email you about the adoption. May be you can see little bit the progress from my posting here. Is The baby already with you? Hows Christmas? Anyway I saw you posting something encourage on here and January thread. I promise to read it soon at home. Sure it is lovely.

Souris, How are you doing lately? Hope everything great with you n family.

Nimble, how was the holiday? Did you go to Malaysia?

Hi to everybody else. Hope everything goes well. I will catch up later.

Luv you all

Jemma
Me 34, DH 35

ICSI end of July 2007 - BFN
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Hello Everyone and Happy New Year!
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Hope all of you had a great New Year's Eve. Ours was okay spent time with family. A neighbor of my brother's was spending time with us that night and I made the mistake of asking her if she has ever done accupuncture. She has been through a lot and I figured that she would be a good person to ask. She told me her experience wasn't worth the money and then asked what I was thinking of using it for. After what seemed like 10 minutes of silence in my head as I weighed the cost of telling her, I told her IVF. As soon as I said it I knew I had made a mistake. She then went into a speech about how her friend did IVF and they tried and tried and it was terrible and they never got pregnant and then they adopted and then 3 weeks later it happened. And its all out of our hands and its either going to happen or its not yadda, yadda, yadda. She then wrapped it up by saying that was her opinion. I told her I was only asking about the accupuncture and that everyone feels the need to give me their opinion.
I just have to rant about that! Why does everyone and their mother think they know what it is like to go through this? If I hear one more person tell me to relax and it will happen, or adopt and it will happen, I think I will scream! As if during 8 years of trying, I have never relaxed enough so it could happen! Do they not know how ridiculous that sounds? I kick myself for opening my mouth to her. I don't offer advice on other people's heath concerns, why do others think its okay to do it when it comes to infertility? Ugh, I'm so angry with her and with everyone who thinks it all boils down to some simple answer I appearantly had never thought of before. I know its up God, I don't disagree, but what is wrong with trying everything I can before I give up? I didn't need her negativity.
I appreciate you guys listening, I really do.

We are waiting to hear what our protocol will be. I hope they call today. I am anxious to see how I responded to the Clomid Challenge and what my levels were. I feel that I'm still not 100% sure I want to go through all this, but I am waiting to see what my RE says anyway.

I'll write something more positive soon. Thanks guys.
Julie
Me 36, DH 33
ttc 8 years
2004-Clomid + intercourse-failed
2004-Clomid + IUI-failed
Jan- Decided to cancel IVF
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Well I just got the call from my RE. He said that my FSH was 8.8 and my LH was 7 and that they want them both under 10. So they said it was good. I don't know how good, but good. They said to call on my next day 1 or day 35 if I don't get it since my cycle length can be a little longer from the Clomid. Then they will start me on my birthcontrol pills and then Lupron. I asked how long I am on the meds before ER. They said 8-12 days. Does that seem right? I thought it would be a lot longer. What has been everyone's experience? Maybe she thought I was asking how long am I on stims. She said that would probably be Bravelle or Menopor. I don't know if I spelled those right or not.
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Me 36, DH 33
ttc 8 years
2004-Clomid + intercourse-failed
2004-Clomid + IUI-failed
Jan- Decided to cancel IVF
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