The Over 40 Crowd

Discussion group for all topics related to infertility including preparation for pregnancy, causes, investigation and treatment of infertility.
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Hello Ladies:

Jen: Congrats on your new addition!! You will love having a dog. My two labrador retrievers are my babies. I got Max as a puppy and adopted Katie from a shelter. They are two peas in a pod. Max will clean Katie's face in the morning. They are so cute together.

Anna: Believe it or not, I forgot to ask about the heart rate the last time that I was at the OB. When I had my nuchal fold test, his heart rate was 158 beats per minute. Several weeks later, at the 2nd trimester scan it was 135, I believe. That is weird that you are considered "high risk". Once I transitioned from my infertility doctor to my regular OB doctor, I was treated like every other mother-to-be. I am kind of used to the special treatment and pampering, like regular scans!!!

Bev: I thought that I felt a fluttering in my tummy a couple of nights ago, but I was not sure. You are lucky to have scans every four weeks. That would be reassuring.

Hello to everyone else.

Take care all,
Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Post by sam40 »

Hi ladies, im Sam40, had 2 failed ivfs aug.and oct. Just learned the news yesterday and at the pit bottom rt. now. :cry: Pls talk some sense into my thick head? im just visiting(just for the procedure) so im flying back home heart-broken. Dr. retrieved 23 eggs in Aug, fertilized 15, had 7 frozen, and from among the 8fresh ones, 3 were transferred; ist ivf; 2nd ivf was just very recent. 6 survived from the frozen 7. transferred 4. I thought I was pregnant. Was pregnant a couple of yrs. ago but miscarried. symptoms were the same. Devastating result. Should I dare hope and try ag.?Truly dazed :? and hurting. Need to save up. Not sure if DH would want to try ag. Longing to be a mom. Hope all of your attempts will be successful. God bless you all.
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Sam,

I know exactly how you feel. DH and I went through the same thing. We had 2 IVF's. The 2nd one resulted in 12 eggs retrieved. They fertilized 8, transferred 5 embies and froze 4 eggs. We still got a BFN! We were ready to call it quits, but our doctor convinced us to try a frozen cycle, since we had the 4 frozen eggs. While we were waiting to begin the frozen cycle, I had an HSG procedure done. Supposedly, this helps increase your chances at becoming pregnant for the next few cycles. We were waiting to begin our frozen cycle, but I never got my period. I became pregnant naturally, without any IVF. My doctors could not believe it. I am due March 3rd. Don't give up.

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Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Post by Kat »

Hi all

Welcome to Sam, sorry to see you are feeling down, understandable in the circumstances though. It does get easier to deal with as time goes on.
Has your clinic concluded anything? Hope you can get some answers to help you decide what to do next.

Just to add to my confusion re having another go, feeling down about it being a year ago that I was pg etc etc, we got a letter this week from the UK donor clinic to say we are nearly at the top of the list and do we want to stay on it? They have asked for an update of where we are with tmt so I will write to them and tell them all about Spain and what they said about having a testicular biopsy and see what they suggest IF we were to have another try.

I really don't know if I can go through it all again. If only we could see the future and know what the outcome would be. I know if we don't try, we'll never know.

I do wonder sometimes if I am so set on the idea of having a child just because I have been told I can't have one, rather than actually really wanting one? Is it because we have had so long to think about it that I am questioning it? If we had fallen pg naturally years ago we wouldn't have had time to think whether it was what we actually wanted or not, we would have just done it. What if having a child makes us less close as a couple? Perhaps I'm looking for excuses not to try again because I don't want to fail. Whatever it is, I think my head is going to explode... !!

DH is just as bad as me and can't make a decision one way or the other.
At least we get to put off any decision by staying on the waiting list and then when we get to the top of it we'll have to decide then....isn't procrastination a wonderful thing?! :wink:

Kat xx
Me & DH both 41
ICSI #1 - abandoned
#2 - cancelled - DH accident
#3 - 1 transferred, bfn
#4 - 2 transferred, bfn
#5 - abandoned
#6 - no eggs at EC
#7 - DE in Barcelona - bfp but lost Dec'05
#8 - DE UK - bfn
#9 - FET Sept/Oct '07....
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It's a beautiful sunny day here in Surrey, warm enough to do some pottering round the garden & just right for fireworks later, nice clear skies. We are off to some friends and everyone brings a few fireworks and then we make one big display. Over the years it has turned into a competition to see who can bring the biggest firework but then that's boys for you :) There will be, inevitably, loads of kids running round, but luckily mostly older so they don't have the same effect on me as pregnant women and babies and I'll just try to ignore them.

You see, I am really not miserable all the time, seems like I only post on here when I'm feeling down - I really am fine and I am quite a happy person, despite all the sh1t.

Have a good weekend everyone
Lots of love
Kat xx
Me & DH both 41
ICSI #1 - abandoned
#2 - cancelled - DH accident
#3 - 1 transferred, bfn
#4 - 2 transferred, bfn
#5 - abandoned
#6 - no eggs at EC
#7 - DE in Barcelona - bfp but lost Dec'05
#8 - DE UK - bfn
#9 - FET Sept/Oct '07....
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Hi, welcome, Sam. I hope you enjoy your new company. It is actually recommended to have pets before baby, so you will be used to the responsibility when the time comes to take care of your baby. Good luck on your coming cycle.

Jen, yes, being able to feel the baby makes much more exciting and real, now my husband also can feel her and he sometimes tries to talk to her though my tummy, funny.

Hi Kat, looks like you are soon will come to a decision, I found it is much easier when one knows exactly what he wants in life. The hardest part of the life is unknown, waiting, seeking, …. Having baby is not everyone’s dream, for example, I had hard time to convince my hubby to get married, it was even harder to have him go through the ivf process – I always believe if he had wanted a child badly enough, we could have actually gotten one naturally - timed sex never worked for him. This is also why we have not had any shopping done yet for the baby and not even had a name yet for our girl. I totally agree that whether or not going for additional cycles of ivf is rather personal, I just assumed that you had done few cycles, in most cases, you could get preg, the reasons for recurrent miscarriages should be determined before you will go for another cycle. I would definitely get myself educated by reading and genetic counseling to see if there will be a way to decrease the likelihood of mc before the next cycle comes around.

Anna, I hope everyone knows your good news by now. Your baby is youngest among us, looks like your baby is growing fast! Don’t be bothered by the “high risk” thing, as long as you feel ok and be careful with balanced food and regular low impact exercise, you and your baby should not be in any risk. Although I do not think putting you at “high risk” group is a bad thing, because that generally means you will have a better care from your medical care provider.

My regular OB never spent more than 5 min with me. I went to him three times, each time, a nurse takes the weight and blood pressure, then he comes in, says, you are fine, normal, I will see you in 4 weeks. That is IT! He even did not recommend me to register for any prenatal care classes. I had to ask around to find out where to join the group to learn how to take care of a newborn, breast feeding, and use the pump! I am not asked to elect any kind of birth yet either. Last time I saw him (three days ago), he did a little differently, he took out a tape to measure my belly and listened to my baby’s heartbeat and said, ok, it is normal - did not even bother to tell me what the heartbeat rate was - I also did not ask, I don't like him, so I try not to speak to him too much. Fortunately my girl moves which is reassuring. So, in this regard, putting you in the "high risk" group will give you more attention and less worries - hopefully.

Tammy and Bev, I am glad that you all enjoying your little one. Bev, you are lucky, your OB seems to take care you much better than my and Tammy’s OB. I have not seen my girl by ultrasound for more than a month and I was not even sure about how her sex was determined, since girls don’t have anything to look for. I swim three times a week now, but I developed some backache and heartburn. My weight gain compared with pre-preg is 6 lbs (~ 3 kg). How about you gals? I have no clue as to how to take care of your hair and goggle mark - could you put it rubber band looser? Since you are having a boy, your glow should be better than mine – I was told boys make moms pretty, girls make moms ugly. The bleach in the water makes my skin very try and itchy, I do not like that either! We are going Rocky Mountain for a ski trip (4 days) on Thanksgivings holiday (no, I won't do downhill ski, I may do some crosscountry ski, I will see how I feel then) and then we plan on a Christmas trip (3 days) to NY.

Wish you all had and having a happy weekend!

Yasmina
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Post by LuAnne41 »

Hello! Hello! I'm the newbie. I found my way to the "Over 40" group thanks to Anna. She read an intro post I wrote & responded. Thank you very much, Anna. By the way, I agree that being considered high risk might be a good thing. If it means additional monitoring, that would be reassuring to me. It sounds as if everything is going great though. Congratulations again! Congratulations to the rest of you that are also pregnant. I'm happy for all of you. I have read the last several entries to familiarize myself with everyone. I can't (yet) relate to the BFP success stories, but I share your joy. To the rest of you, try to hang in there; I've seen a lot of success stories written by ladies that succeeded simply because they never gave up. My story is that I am currently ttc w/donor eggs. (6 previous conventional ivf cycles were 4 BFN & 2 BFP w/mc each time.) 1st ET w/DE was Aug 2006 & BFN. 2nd was a FET in late October & am in my 2ww so who knows??? I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts; it makes me feel as if I know everyone personally. :P
LuAnne
ME: 45 DH: 44

Multiple IVF's --->> 1 chemical, one m/c @ 8wks & a Gazillion BFN's

ED in 2007 --->> B/G twins
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Post by teachertam »

LuAnne: Welcome to our site. This is a great support group as you are going through your cycles. I am one of the lucky ones who became pregnant naturally, after 2 failed IUI's and 2 failed IVF's. I am due March 3rd with my first child, a boy! Good luck on your 2ww!

Yasmina: How have you been? I have gained 17 lbs thus far, as I think that I have gained 6 lbs alone in my breasts! I went from a C cup to a D cup. I'm hoping to keep the over all weight gain to 25 - 30 lbs. They say that breastfeeding will really take the weight off after delivery, since it burns 500 calories a day. Be careful on your ski trip.

Kat: It is nice to hear that you are in good spirits. I hope you had a wonderful weekend.

Anna: I hope things are going well for you. I wish I was listed as "high risk". I miss the special treatment that I got from my RE.

Bev: I hope everything is going well for you as well. I wish that I would get a scan every 4 weeks.

Take care all,
Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Hi all & welcome to LuAnne, hope your 2ww is going OK - when do you test? Hope you're hanging on in there and not thinking of doing an early hpt!

I still don't really know what to do and like I said before, DH isn't much help in making any decisions either :) So we just carry on as normal for the moment...
I have written to the clinic to say we want to stay on the waiting list so I will see what they suggest re the sperm tests and what our chances are given what happened before.

Today last year was test day - I am not getting upset but I just have a little niggly sad feeling in the back of my mind, if that makes any sense. I never really let myself get excited last year, maybe I knew it wasn't going to continue, who knows.

Anyway, enough of that, I am supposed to be working ...
Lots of love
Kat xx
Me & DH both 41
ICSI #1 - abandoned
#2 - cancelled - DH accident
#3 - 1 transferred, bfn
#4 - 2 transferred, bfn
#5 - abandoned
#6 - no eggs at EC
#7 - DE in Barcelona - bfp but lost Dec'05
#8 - DE UK - bfn
#9 - FET Sept/Oct '07....
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Just a quickie to say Hi to LuAnne and welcome. Hope your 2 ww goes well and you have a positive outcomel

Kat, thinking of you today, I can understand the niggly feelings of sadness you are experiencing. These "anniversaries" always gnaw away at you to some degree or another. On a positive note, I have a feeling that when you get to the top of the donor list in the UK you and DH will take the plunge once more. If so, you will have all your cyber friends here routing for you all the way.

Yasmina, I am so so envious that you have only put 6 pounds on! I am the same as Tammy, 17 pounds so far, but am trying to minimise the end total, without the obvious diet. I don't think it is a good thing to be dieting at the moment, I am just trying to eat fairly sensibly and carry on with my swimming, despite the bad hair, dry skin and goggle marks round my eyes.

Hi to Sam40 also. So sorry to see your last cycle has failed. Such a devastating time. At 40, I would say that you have time to try, try and try again. It just depends on whether you are emotionally strong enough, and also the finances permit! I have been pg with my own eggs 5 times in the past, not able to hang on to them unfortunately. But now I am 25 weeks pg from donor treatment. I just could not give up the fight to have a family of my own. Mind you, if anything should go wrong with this pg, I just might dig a whole and crawl into it forever and ever!

Good luck with your decisions, give yourself a bit of time to recover from this disappointment and I am sure you will be ready to try again.

Tammy, have you felt your little one kicking yet? Hope you are doing ok.

Jen, nice to see you popping in and hope that your baby rhodie is settling in.

Love to everyone else popping in,
Bev xxx
4 m/c
Precious daughter stillborn @ 32 weeks
2 x IVF with own eggs
Now turning to DE tmt end of May.
BFP 13th June 06
Blessed with beautiful son William born 23rd Jan 07
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Thank you all for making me feel welcome. To answer your question, Kat, I am hanging in there. I have no plans to do an HPT. The actual Beta is Thursday, Nov 9th at 10:00 A.M. I receive the results Thursday afternoon. I have prayed and prayed for a BFP & certainly welcome the prayers of others. :lol:

If we get a BFN, we will do another fresh cycle in Jan/Feb providing the clinic has matched us with a new donor. Like the donor nurse said, "I like you, but I hope not to work with you again." Ha!

Sam, my heart goes out to you. When it comes to making such personal decisions, the only advice I can give is to follow your heart. What works for me is knowing I am doing everything I can, mentally and financially. I know I may end this quest someday, but I will eventually heal from the pain of not succeeding, if that is the way it ends for me. I would be miserable if I ended this journey by second guessing myself. (What if I tried this or that?) Of course, I can't tell you what is best for you, but you really do have some time to meditate on this one.

God Bless you All!

LuAnne :D
ME: 45 DH: 44

Multiple IVF's --->> 1 chemical, one m/c @ 8wks & a Gazillion BFN's

ED in 2007 --->> B/G twins
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ANYONE IN THE 40 AND OVER GROUP GOING FOR ET SOON? THIS IS MY 1ST IVF, I HAD MY ER 11/7/06, AND NOW I'M PLAYING THE WAITING GAME. WE HAD 12 FOLICLES.....THEY GOT 6, 2 WEREN'T GOOD, YESTERDAY THEY SAID 4 SURVIVED BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW GOOD THEY WERE YET.....???
2 FAILED IUI'S
NOV. IVF 2006, CANCELLED NO FERTILIZATION
2ND IVF JAN. 2007, GOT BFP
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Hi Winsconsingal and welcome. Not going through ET at the moment myself, but just popping in to wish you loads of luck with this cycle. Let us know what develops.

LuAnne, good luck with your beta tomorrow. Fingers crossed for a BFP.

Bev xxx
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BFP 13th June 06
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THANKS BEV T - IT'S ALREADY 11:15 HERE 11/8/06....AND STILL NO CALL. I'M KEEPING M FINGERS CROSSED AND JUST TRYING TO WALK NORMAL SO KNOW ONE HERE KNOWS ANYTHINGS UP. I HAVE NO FAMILY SUPPORT AND NO CO-WORKERS THAT WOULD CARE SO THIS BOARD IS SUCH A RELIEF TO BE ABLE TO VENT.
2 FAILED IUI'S
NOV. IVF 2006, CANCELLED NO FERTILIZATION
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Hi Ladies, hope everyone OK today.

Wisconsingal, hello and welcome. You are definitely in the right place to share and vent. The ladies here are an absolute godsend. I really don't know what I would do with out them! Wishing you loads of luck with this cycle. Fingers crossed that those eggs have fertilised and you can go for ET soon.

Welcome Sam, so sorry to see your news. Failed cycles are the absolute pits. Nothing I can say can take away your pain. Just know that you are amongst friends here who really do understand. If you decide to cycle again pop back and 'see' us .

Tammy, how are you? Did you manage to weigh your breasts?!! I haven't weighed myself yet and must admit to being scared to step on the scales.... You said you would really like more regular scans..is this not an option for you? Maybe you could ask and even offer to pay for extra ones?

Kat, hi, thinking of you. Anniversaries are a difficult time. You are a very strong lady...I'm sure you will come to a decision soon. We are all here for you. You still have options, when you get to the top of the donor list do you think you will go for it??

LuAnn, have everything crossed for you tomorrow. Only one more sleep....wishing you a BFP!

Bev, how are you? Hope everything OK and you are not having any horrid uncomfortable symptoms at the moment. How many weeks are you now?

Hi Jen, how's life with a new puppy? Anything got chewed up yet???

Yasmina, how lovely that DH is talking to the baby! Do you feel her moving much? Sorry to see that your OB isn't up to much...you have us ladies here for help and support!!!

Nothing really to report from me. Just keep getting larger around the waist and have finally succumbed to wearing maternity clothes to work! We are telling the Governors of the school tomorrow that 3 of us are pg...should go down like a lead balloon. That's a lot of maternity leave to sort out!!! Oh and I've booked our antenatal classes for Feb...it's all becoming more and more real!

Hugs to all here
Take care
Anna x
Me 44, DP 42 ttc 3yrs
7 cancelled IVF cycles during 2005/6
ED tmt at IM June 06 BFN
ED tmt at IM July 06 BFP
Matthew born 23/3/07
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