Hi Alicia
hehe you read my mind i got so fed up with the aches and pains i had i did a very bad thing this morning i did a Hpt it was a very faint positive i know this means nothing at this stage as it is way to early i spose i just needed to do something i feel very negative tho about the whole thing im not expecting to get a +ive when it matters i dont know if its just me sub conciously protecting myself and so therefore expecting the worse
oh i dont know i have sore boobs today and my mind is all over the place
love Ang xx
Calling any August Cycle buddies
Alicia
Hi, how long did it take for your af to arrive last time? Its great that you are pregnant. Did you feel your 2ww was harder this time or just about the same?
I am dreading af, they are hell at the best of times because of the endometriosis, and I don't cope greatly with them anyway so yes I do feel that when they arrive thats maybe when this will hit me most.
Staci - I had a medicated FET this time and thats what it will be next time as well. Which are you thinking of for January?
Wendy
Hi, how long did it take for your af to arrive last time? Its great that you are pregnant. Did you feel your 2ww was harder this time or just about the same?
I am dreading af, they are hell at the best of times because of the endometriosis, and I don't cope greatly with them anyway so yes I do feel that when they arrive thats maybe when this will hit me most.
Staci - I had a medicated FET this time and thats what it will be next time as well. Which are you thinking of for January?
Wendy
Angela,
Sorry to say, it probably is to early for you to test. But that doesn't mean you won't get a BFP when you do test.
I was convinced it hadn't worked this time, too. I had no symptoms at all, where I did have them last time, so they really don't indicate anything this early. Please try to stay sane. I booked my social schedule extra full during the 2ww. It was a little scary as I was afraid if AF showed up unexpectedly I might have to leave a party or a dinner in tears, but it really did take my mind off it.
Wendy,
It took about 4 days for AF to arrive after the HCG went down for me last time. Yes, the 2ww was hell this time, as I was convinced at one point that it had not worked. My friend made me write a list of things I was grateful for and instances in life where I had been lucky. It helped a lot.
Have you asked your doctor for a prescription of painkillers. I hate to be a drug pusher
, but that might make you feel less apprehensive. If the pain gets too bad, at least you'll have the option. Especially if it is a weekend and you can't reach your doctor.
Thinking of you today,
Alicia
Sorry to say, it probably is to early for you to test. But that doesn't mean you won't get a BFP when you do test.
I was convinced it hadn't worked this time, too. I had no symptoms at all, where I did have them last time, so they really don't indicate anything this early. Please try to stay sane. I booked my social schedule extra full during the 2ww. It was a little scary as I was afraid if AF showed up unexpectedly I might have to leave a party or a dinner in tears, but it really did take my mind off it.
Wendy,
It took about 4 days for AF to arrive after the HCG went down for me last time. Yes, the 2ww was hell this time, as I was convinced at one point that it had not worked. My friend made me write a list of things I was grateful for and instances in life where I had been lucky. It helped a lot.
Have you asked your doctor for a prescription of painkillers. I hate to be a drug pusher
, but that might make you feel less apprehensive. If the pain gets too bad, at least you'll have the option. Especially if it is a weekend and you can't reach your doctor.Thinking of you today,
Alicia
TTC 2.5 years - Me 38 no tubes; DH 32
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
Alicia,
I think that a morula is just the stage that all embryos have typically reached by Day 4. In my case, my embryos were still morulas at Day 5 but the clinic said this was not very unusual....that the average time of development into a blastocyst is 5 days but that sometimes the embryos take a little longer. Here is a very good description of what they are (for you too Jaye!) if the link works. You might have to cut and paste it into your browser. I went crazy doing research when the Dr.'s told me I had morulae because I didn't know what that meant exactly!
http://www.advancedfertility.com/morula.htm
Wendy,
I'll have no choice but to do a medicated FET as I have rather irregular cycles. I was just wondering what sort of side effects you had from the estrogen pills, if any? I never got past the downregging stage last time so don't know what to expect from the estrogen. I'll be taking estrace ( which I guess is the brand name).
Angela,
First, I have to say Bad Girl!!
HPT's are very evil.
At any rate, I don't think it matters so much whether the line is faint or not. A line is a line and that means a positive!
Anyway, I just want to give you a preliminary congratulations. I think things are looking very good for you!
Not much is going on here. Would you all believe there is another hurricane possibly headed in our direction? I just barely got done restocking our freezer and fridge after we lost all our food when the power went out in the last one! If we get hit again, I'm not buying more than a day or two's worth of food in advance ever again.
It looks like I'll probably just stick with doing the FET in Jan. The problem is it's too late for Sept. and Oct. is definitely impossible. Then, if I were to start in Nov. the transfer could potentially be in Dec. and my clinic won't do any transfers in Dec. I'm hoping AF will fall late enough in Dec. that they'll let me at least start downregging in Dec. In the meantime, we'll have a few months of trying naturally (and praying for a miracle).
Staci
I think that a morula is just the stage that all embryos have typically reached by Day 4. In my case, my embryos were still morulas at Day 5 but the clinic said this was not very unusual....that the average time of development into a blastocyst is 5 days but that sometimes the embryos take a little longer. Here is a very good description of what they are (for you too Jaye!) if the link works. You might have to cut and paste it into your browser. I went crazy doing research when the Dr.'s told me I had morulae because I didn't know what that meant exactly!
http://www.advancedfertility.com/morula.htm
Wendy,
I'll have no choice but to do a medicated FET as I have rather irregular cycles. I was just wondering what sort of side effects you had from the estrogen pills, if any? I never got past the downregging stage last time so don't know what to expect from the estrogen. I'll be taking estrace ( which I guess is the brand name).
Angela,
First, I have to say Bad Girl!!
HPT's are very evil. At any rate, I don't think it matters so much whether the line is faint or not. A line is a line and that means a positive!
Anyway, I just want to give you a preliminary congratulations. I think things are looking very good for you!
Not much is going on here. Would you all believe there is another hurricane possibly headed in our direction? I just barely got done restocking our freezer and fridge after we lost all our food when the power went out in the last one! If we get hit again, I'm not buying more than a day or two's worth of food in advance ever again.
It looks like I'll probably just stick with doing the FET in Jan. The problem is it's too late for Sept. and Oct. is definitely impossible. Then, if I were to start in Nov. the transfer could potentially be in Dec. and my clinic won't do any transfers in Dec. I'm hoping AF will fall late enough in Dec. that they'll let me at least start downregging in Dec. In the meantime, we'll have a few months of trying naturally (and praying for a miracle).
Staci
Me 35/DH 41
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
Hi everyone,
That's interesting what you were saying Staci, coz it's different to what I was told. Morulas are just 4 day embies (so Alicia you can have good quality morulas or fragmented ones), but the dr. said that as they were at day 5, that meant they're too slow - they should be blastocysts. So who knows. There's nothing I can do now anyway except look after them the best I can! Thanks for the link - I think that is the only picture of a morula on the internet coz I was looking for one myself!
Angela - when did you have the last injection? I think it takes at least 10 days to work itself out.
Wendy - after my m/c my period took about a 5 days to come after I'd stopped the pessaries - but if you're not taking them it might be different. My next period was about a week late (very unusual for me), too - I figure that was my body sorting itself out.
Alicia - good to hear about no symptoms, I don't have to obsess then (not that I won't of course). Maybe the jam packed schedule did it!
Staci, don't stop praying for a miracle. I knew one lady who was quite open about being infertile for m/f (drs. gave them zero chance) - they got a dog and went on alot of holidays and seemed pretty reconciled with it all - you know how it ended, with a surprise baby when she was 40 or so. I know there's plenty more stories than don't end that way, but it just shows it can happen, even if it's not real often. They can't find anything wrong with us, so we can always try the old fashioned way. But I don't know whether that's better or worse - coz I get crushed every month, not just after the IVF cycles.
Last injection tonight for me, then 10 days to wait. I hate those pregnyl injections - they really hurt.
Take care all,
Jaye
That's interesting what you were saying Staci, coz it's different to what I was told. Morulas are just 4 day embies (so Alicia you can have good quality morulas or fragmented ones), but the dr. said that as they were at day 5, that meant they're too slow - they should be blastocysts. So who knows. There's nothing I can do now anyway except look after them the best I can! Thanks for the link - I think that is the only picture of a morula on the internet coz I was looking for one myself!
Angela - when did you have the last injection? I think it takes at least 10 days to work itself out.
Wendy - after my m/c my period took about a 5 days to come after I'd stopped the pessaries - but if you're not taking them it might be different. My next period was about a week late (very unusual for me), too - I figure that was my body sorting itself out.
Alicia - good to hear about no symptoms, I don't have to obsess then (not that I won't of course). Maybe the jam packed schedule did it!
Staci, don't stop praying for a miracle. I knew one lady who was quite open about being infertile for m/f (drs. gave them zero chance) - they got a dog and went on alot of holidays and seemed pretty reconciled with it all - you know how it ended, with a surprise baby when she was 40 or so. I know there's plenty more stories than don't end that way, but it just shows it can happen, even if it's not real often. They can't find anything wrong with us, so we can always try the old fashioned way. But I don't know whether that's better or worse - coz I get crushed every month, not just after the IVF cycles.
Last injection tonight for me, then 10 days to wait. I hate those pregnyl injections - they really hurt.
Take care all,
Jaye
me 34, dh 36
TTC 3 yrs, lap oct 02, 'unexplained'
3 x IUIs 2003, all -ve
IVF 4/04 & 8/04, both early m/c. 11/04 -ve
So much in life to be grateful for.
TTC 3 yrs, lap oct 02, 'unexplained'
3 x IUIs 2003, all -ve
IVF 4/04 & 8/04, both early m/c. 11/04 -ve
So much in life to be grateful for.
Hi Girls
IM still feeling really down and negative i have moments of feeling positive but this is so hard id rather being having EC again than going thro this 2ww.
Dolly how are you girl not seen you about on here for a while how did ET go all ok i hope. how are you feeling now ?
as you can see im not to good but then none of us are on this damned 2ww
love Ang xx
IM still feeling really down and negative i have moments of feeling positive but this is so hard id rather being having EC again than going thro this 2ww.
Dolly how are you girl not seen you about on here for a while how did ET go all ok i hope. how are you feeling now ?
as you can see im not to good but then none of us are on this damned 2ww
love Ang xx
Our dream came true after 5 yrs ttc we know have 8month old twin boys Adam and Kieran and our gorgeous 9 yr old daughter.
Hang in there miracles really do happen
Hang in there miracles really do happen
Hi Guys, I've been away for the Bank Holiday so havn't been able to get on line for a week... so much has happened - I'll try my best to remember everyone....
Alicia, congratulations - that really is fantastic news. In answer to the question you posted ages ago - I lost my tubes to 2 ectopics. They had talked about removing my last one just before my last ectopic and I was dead against it - but looks like mother nature had other plans!!!
Sandra, sorry to hear about your DP's accident - hope he's doing ok.
Jeanie & Candy, sory to hear it didn't work out for you this time. Spoil yourselves rotten - it helps!!!
Wendy, I really was so sorry to read your news. I'm gutted for you - but i am also inspired by your positive attitude. Hope AF isn't so bad when she shows (mine took about 7 days after my IVF m/c).
Angela, STAY AWAY FROM THE HPTS!!!!! I have the same problem - but have never been tempted this early.. I think i will start fighting the temptation about Monday - but I am determined to stay strong this time! Sorry to hear you didn't get any frosties - but you did get great embies and that is what counts!
It seems like ages ago - but I had an 8 and a 6 cell put back on a 3 day transfter. When I got to the clinic they were a bit disappointed because they were 6 and 4 cell and they wanted them to be at least 6 cell - but when they went to get them - they had divided again... YIPPPEEEE - so they were better than they thought!!!
I am back at work tomorrow - so will be able to catch up more with what is going on.
Love to all and especially those of us suffering the 2ww together!!!!
Dolly
Alicia, congratulations - that really is fantastic news. In answer to the question you posted ages ago - I lost my tubes to 2 ectopics. They had talked about removing my last one just before my last ectopic and I was dead against it - but looks like mother nature had other plans!!!
Sandra, sorry to hear about your DP's accident - hope he's doing ok.
Jeanie & Candy, sory to hear it didn't work out for you this time. Spoil yourselves rotten - it helps!!!
Wendy, I really was so sorry to read your news. I'm gutted for you - but i am also inspired by your positive attitude. Hope AF isn't so bad when she shows (mine took about 7 days after my IVF m/c).
Angela, STAY AWAY FROM THE HPTS!!!!! I have the same problem - but have never been tempted this early.. I think i will start fighting the temptation about Monday - but I am determined to stay strong this time! Sorry to hear you didn't get any frosties - but you did get great embies and that is what counts!
It seems like ages ago - but I had an 8 and a 6 cell put back on a 3 day transfter. When I got to the clinic they were a bit disappointed because they were 6 and 4 cell and they wanted them to be at least 6 cell - but when they went to get them - they had divided again... YIPPPEEEE - so they were better than they thought!!!
I am back at work tomorrow - so will be able to catch up more with what is going on.
Love to all and especially those of us suffering the 2ww together!!!!
Dolly
Me 38 / DH 40. TTC 8 yrs
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
Jaye,
It's so confusing with these clincs saying different things. My clinic told me they couldn't grade the quality of morulas due to the stage they were at. I did ask an infertility specialist during an online chat if having only morulas at Day 5 was necessarily bad. I told him I wanted to know because I had morulas frozen and I didn't want to waste money doing a FET with them if there was a super slim chance of it working due to the delayed development. He said it didn't mean there was less of a chance at all and that I should definitely do the FET...and he really had nothing to gain by telling me that. At any rate, of course I've still had concerns and it's nearly impossible to find any information regarding this. You would think more people had run into this situation before? At any rate, I really hope you will be the one to prove that morulas result in +ives!! That will make me very optimistic (or, at least a little optimistic; I don't think I'm ever very optimistic). Thanks for the encouraging story re. trying naturally. I know what you mean about having hope that it might work that way. I have long, irregular cycles so, every month, I go through packs of hpt's thinking we may have gotten lucky. I've spent a fortune on the blasted things.
Anyway, off to make dinner. Hope everyone is doing ok!
Staci
It's so confusing with these clincs saying different things. My clinic told me they couldn't grade the quality of morulas due to the stage they were at. I did ask an infertility specialist during an online chat if having only morulas at Day 5 was necessarily bad. I told him I wanted to know because I had morulas frozen and I didn't want to waste money doing a FET with them if there was a super slim chance of it working due to the delayed development. He said it didn't mean there was less of a chance at all and that I should definitely do the FET...and he really had nothing to gain by telling me that. At any rate, of course I've still had concerns and it's nearly impossible to find any information regarding this. You would think more people had run into this situation before? At any rate, I really hope you will be the one to prove that morulas result in +ives!! That will make me very optimistic (or, at least a little optimistic; I don't think I'm ever very optimistic). Thanks for the encouraging story re. trying naturally. I know what you mean about having hope that it might work that way. I have long, irregular cycles so, every month, I go through packs of hpt's thinking we may have gotten lucky. I've spent a fortune on the blasted things.
Anyway, off to make dinner. Hope everyone is doing ok!
Staci
Me 35/DH 41
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
Jaye and Staci,
I have blastocyst frozen but my clinic let them develop an extra day and froze at day 6. I suppose they were still morulas on day 5. Anyway from the research I have done I don't think "day 5 equals blast" I think it is more the average or norm. Many sites use day 5-6 to describe when to expect blastocyst.
For example:
The first IVF human pregnancy was achieved by blastocyst transfer. Blastocyst transfer is claimed to be more physiological than pronucleate or cleaved-embryo transfer is as it mimics nature more closely. As the embryo advances in the development, after 5-6 days it becomes a blastocyst. This has an outer thin layer of cells which will later form the placenta, and an inner cell mass which will develop into the fetus. A blastocyst has about 120 cells.
Source:
http://www.ivf-infertility.com/ivf/blastocysts.php
Anyway, my doctor also told me that my embryos were developing slow.
I also read somewhere online ( I wish I could find the site again) that female embryos develop slower in the pre-embryo stage. I don't remember if they said it was between fertilization to 8 cells or from 8 cell to blastocyst. If I find the site I will let you know.
I hope you both can use this info.
Mia
I have blastocyst frozen but my clinic let them develop an extra day and froze at day 6. I suppose they were still morulas on day 5. Anyway from the research I have done I don't think "day 5 equals blast" I think it is more the average or norm. Many sites use day 5-6 to describe when to expect blastocyst.
For example:
The first IVF human pregnancy was achieved by blastocyst transfer. Blastocyst transfer is claimed to be more physiological than pronucleate or cleaved-embryo transfer is as it mimics nature more closely. As the embryo advances in the development, after 5-6 days it becomes a blastocyst. This has an outer thin layer of cells which will later form the placenta, and an inner cell mass which will develop into the fetus. A blastocyst has about 120 cells.
Source:
http://www.ivf-infertility.com/ivf/blastocysts.php
Anyway, my doctor also told me that my embryos were developing slow.
I also read somewhere online ( I wish I could find the site again) that female embryos develop slower in the pre-embryo stage. I don't remember if they said it was between fertilization to 8 cells or from 8 cell to blastocyst. If I find the site I will let you know.
I hope you both can use this info.
Mia
You ladies are such a wealth of information. I learn so much more about IVF on here than at my clinic. Thanks, it is all fascinating!
Staci,
It would be so amazing to have one of us PG from nature on the board! It will never be me, as I have no tubes at all. I hope you're the one! And I surely hope also that the hurricane misses you, and hopefully all of Florida.
Dolly,
Such great news about your embies! They really want to be babies, I can see! How adorable that they had divided again when nobody was watching! Hope the 2ww is kind to you.
Angela,
Hang in there, girl. I know the 2ww is absolutely the WORST! I hope yours improves. The second half of mine, I started to think "Why couldn't it work for me?" and also making lists of all the fortunate things that had happened to me in life. Like finding DH after all those years of searching and having parents who are alive and happy. It did help me out of my 2ww funk. Good luck to you on a bearable next week and everything crossed for a BFP for you.
I got my HCG number today - 597 up from 262, so we're relieved and finally starting to relax a little bit. Thank you all so much for your messages and support during the heinous 2ww, where I developed possibly the worst attitude ever seen on ivf-infertility.com.
GOOD LUCK TO MANDY AND CHUBBS TOMMORROW
!!!
Alicia
Staci,
It would be so amazing to have one of us PG from nature on the board! It will never be me, as I have no tubes at all. I hope you're the one! And I surely hope also that the hurricane misses you, and hopefully all of Florida.
Dolly,
Such great news about your embies! They really want to be babies, I can see! How adorable that they had divided again when nobody was watching! Hope the 2ww is kind to you.
Angela,
Hang in there, girl. I know the 2ww is absolutely the WORST! I hope yours improves. The second half of mine, I started to think "Why couldn't it work for me?" and also making lists of all the fortunate things that had happened to me in life. Like finding DH after all those years of searching and having parents who are alive and happy. It did help me out of my 2ww funk. Good luck to you on a bearable next week and everything crossed for a BFP for you.
I got my HCG number today - 597 up from 262, so we're relieved and finally starting to relax a little bit. Thank you all so much for your messages and support during the heinous 2ww, where I developed possibly the worst attitude ever seen on ivf-infertility.com.
GOOD LUCK TO MANDY AND CHUBBS TOMMORROW
!!!Alicia
TTC 2.5 years - Me 38 no tubes; DH 32
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
Hi everyone,
I was just thinking what Alicia said - I have learned so much from you guys about all of this. Thankyou so much! Maybe it's just a little girl - DH would think it appropriate if our little girl was slow, I drive him crazy with how long I take to get out of the house.
I know what you mean about taking stock of all the good things - We have some friends going through a very messy divorce, and various other friends my age who are still single and would very much like not to be. I wouldn't trade DH for anything, not even, I have to say, a baby, so maybe I should just be thankful for what I've got.
Off to make dinner,
Jaye.
I was just thinking what Alicia said - I have learned so much from you guys about all of this. Thankyou so much! Maybe it's just a little girl - DH would think it appropriate if our little girl was slow, I drive him crazy with how long I take to get out of the house.
I know what you mean about taking stock of all the good things - We have some friends going through a very messy divorce, and various other friends my age who are still single and would very much like not to be. I wouldn't trade DH for anything, not even, I have to say, a baby, so maybe I should just be thankful for what I've got.
Off to make dinner,
Jaye.
me 34, dh 36
TTC 3 yrs, lap oct 02, 'unexplained'
3 x IUIs 2003, all -ve
IVF 4/04 & 8/04, both early m/c. 11/04 -ve
So much in life to be grateful for.
TTC 3 yrs, lap oct 02, 'unexplained'
3 x IUIs 2003, all -ve
IVF 4/04 & 8/04, both early m/c. 11/04 -ve
So much in life to be grateful for.
Hi everyone
Well af arrived yesterday and so far its not too bad, ibuprofen & dihydrocodeine seem to be keeping it under control, which is unusual but probably all the drugs have helped the endometriosis a bit anyway. Have been feeling really down over the last 2 days keep bursting into tears at the slightest thing then I come on here and see how many of you have been through the same thing as me and have carried on to further treatments. You are my inspiration. Its hard I think for people who haven't done IVF to understand what a m/c means to us I think because its not like you have a chance every month to get pregnant again. It didn't help yesterday when one of my friends told me she could understand how I was feeling, yet the only time she has ever been pregnant she decided on abortion and although I support the decision she made, to then tell me she knows how I feel annoys me a bit. Ofcourse not that I said that to her because I know she is only trying to help.
I am going back to work on Tuesday, I think it will do me good to try and go back to normality. I am supposed to be doing a 3500 word essay for my open university course but I can't and if I don't I will probably fail my course but it doesn't really feel that important at the moment.
Also going back to the hospital on Monday so hopefully we can ask to do another FET soon, maybe end of November if there is space, in the meantime I am going to follow Staci's lead by having lots of sex before I start on anymore drugs because you do seem to hear of these people who are told they can't get pregnant and do.
Sorry for the whinge but actually feeling better now hope I didn't bring anyone else down
Wendy
Well af arrived yesterday and so far its not too bad, ibuprofen & dihydrocodeine seem to be keeping it under control, which is unusual but probably all the drugs have helped the endometriosis a bit anyway. Have been feeling really down over the last 2 days keep bursting into tears at the slightest thing then I come on here and see how many of you have been through the same thing as me and have carried on to further treatments. You are my inspiration. Its hard I think for people who haven't done IVF to understand what a m/c means to us I think because its not like you have a chance every month to get pregnant again. It didn't help yesterday when one of my friends told me she could understand how I was feeling, yet the only time she has ever been pregnant she decided on abortion and although I support the decision she made, to then tell me she knows how I feel annoys me a bit. Ofcourse not that I said that to her because I know she is only trying to help.
I am going back to work on Tuesday, I think it will do me good to try and go back to normality. I am supposed to be doing a 3500 word essay for my open university course but I can't and if I don't I will probably fail my course but it doesn't really feel that important at the moment.
Also going back to the hospital on Monday so hopefully we can ask to do another FET soon, maybe end of November if there is space, in the meantime I am going to follow Staci's lead by having lots of sex before I start on anymore drugs because you do seem to hear of these people who are told they can't get pregnant and do.
Sorry for the whinge but actually feeling better now hope I didn't bring anyone else down
Wendy
Hi Wendy,
sorry to hear you're feeling down. Unlike your friend I do know exactly what you are going through, my last IVF cycle ended in a m/c and it hit me very hard. I tried to cope on my own but unfortunately I just got more and more depressed and I was sure I wouldn't have the strength to go through it again. Eventually my husband booked for me to see the counsellor at the hospital - I was crying before I walked in the door - even though I did talk to my DH a lot - just talking openly to someone else about how I felt made me feel a lot better and within a month I was looking forwad to getting started again.
I think you're right about work helping get you back to normality - I only had a couple of days off work after my m/c because I knew that being at home would just make me dwell on it more and feel even more sorry for myself. I also found that spoiling myself helped a lot - a facial or massage - something pampering like that!
I hope you feel a bit stronger soon. I feel for you 100% and am sending you a massive cyber hug. Life is so cruel sometimes - but we have to be strong and believe that it will work out for us...
Lots of love
Dolly
sorry to hear you're feeling down. Unlike your friend I do know exactly what you are going through, my last IVF cycle ended in a m/c and it hit me very hard. I tried to cope on my own but unfortunately I just got more and more depressed and I was sure I wouldn't have the strength to go through it again. Eventually my husband booked for me to see the counsellor at the hospital - I was crying before I walked in the door - even though I did talk to my DH a lot - just talking openly to someone else about how I felt made me feel a lot better and within a month I was looking forwad to getting started again.
I think you're right about work helping get you back to normality - I only had a couple of days off work after my m/c because I knew that being at home would just make me dwell on it more and feel even more sorry for myself. I also found that spoiling myself helped a lot - a facial or massage - something pampering like that!
I hope you feel a bit stronger soon. I feel for you 100% and am sending you a massive cyber hug. Life is so cruel sometimes - but we have to be strong and believe that it will work out for us...
Lots of love
Dolly
Me 38 / DH 40. TTC 8 yrs
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
Hiya again
Thought it was easier to do do two posts, one moaning and one positive.
Alicia - That is fab with your hcg, you take it easy and as I said on the other post you are one of my inspirations, if I can get through my next treatment as well as you have done and always manage to think of others as well as myself then I'll be proud.
Staci - Hope the hurricane stays away. I love Florida, we went to Disney for our honeymoon. Its just a huge place we also had trips to Tampa, the everglades, Naples and the space center. Everyone is just so friendly and nice. You keep going with the trying natural theory, you never know and if your dh is anything like mine at least it will keep him happy in the meantime.
With regard the drugs for the FET, I felt most of my side effects were caused by the downregging injections and my tablets seemed to help most of them, I put on a wee bit weight, had the odd headache, lots of wind and my biggest annoyance was swollen, hot feet. It was really weird it sort of felt like my little toes were really swollen and I couldn't bear to wear anything but flip flops (just as well it was summer). It was really bad for about a week & a half of my 2ww, I had to get up through the night and put them in the bath, I had a hot water bottle filled with ice water in the bed and eventually I started sleeping with pillows at the bottom of the bed so my feet were higher and bought a fan for the bottom of the bed. It was weird, annoying and it made me grumpy because it disturbed my sleep.
However, a FET even with drugs is so much easier than full cycle, less appointments, less side effects, less drugs, less stress and I think thats what made the difference to me this time was that I was so much calmer, my dates never changed once. I had a lot of problems after my last EC and to be honest if I had to do it again I would be tempted to ask to do the EC have all the embryos frozen then do a FET later. Especially now my hospital are saying there is very little difference in their success rates. Hope this helps.
Jaye, how are you getting on? I agree with what you are saying about not trading your DH for a baby. I think going through this together makes you love them more. Even without a baby I know I am blessed to be loved this much.
Angela, hope you are ok on the 2ww. There is no reason why you shouldn't get a positive, everyone of us on this board deserves it. I know its hard but try to stay optomistic.
Dolly, wishing you so much luck in your 2ww. You have been through so much as well, I imagine the 2ww must be hell for you but like Alicia you have a great attitude and it helps me to see that. Fingers crossed for you.
Mia, how are you doing? You are a wealth of information. Have you decided what your next steps are going be? Maybe we can be buddies again.
Good luck to Chubbs and Mandy
Think I have gone on for long enough today. Don't know what I would do without you lot.
Love
Wendy
Thought it was easier to do do two posts, one moaning and one positive.
Alicia - That is fab with your hcg, you take it easy and as I said on the other post you are one of my inspirations, if I can get through my next treatment as well as you have done and always manage to think of others as well as myself then I'll be proud.
Staci - Hope the hurricane stays away. I love Florida, we went to Disney for our honeymoon. Its just a huge place we also had trips to Tampa, the everglades, Naples and the space center. Everyone is just so friendly and nice. You keep going with the trying natural theory, you never know and if your dh is anything like mine at least it will keep him happy in the meantime.
With regard the drugs for the FET, I felt most of my side effects were caused by the downregging injections and my tablets seemed to help most of them, I put on a wee bit weight, had the odd headache, lots of wind and my biggest annoyance was swollen, hot feet. It was really weird it sort of felt like my little toes were really swollen and I couldn't bear to wear anything but flip flops (just as well it was summer). It was really bad for about a week & a half of my 2ww, I had to get up through the night and put them in the bath, I had a hot water bottle filled with ice water in the bed and eventually I started sleeping with pillows at the bottom of the bed so my feet were higher and bought a fan for the bottom of the bed. It was weird, annoying and it made me grumpy because it disturbed my sleep.
However, a FET even with drugs is so much easier than full cycle, less appointments, less side effects, less drugs, less stress and I think thats what made the difference to me this time was that I was so much calmer, my dates never changed once. I had a lot of problems after my last EC and to be honest if I had to do it again I would be tempted to ask to do the EC have all the embryos frozen then do a FET later. Especially now my hospital are saying there is very little difference in their success rates. Hope this helps.
Jaye, how are you getting on? I agree with what you are saying about not trading your DH for a baby. I think going through this together makes you love them more. Even without a baby I know I am blessed to be loved this much.
Angela, hope you are ok on the 2ww. There is no reason why you shouldn't get a positive, everyone of us on this board deserves it. I know its hard but try to stay optomistic.
Dolly, wishing you so much luck in your 2ww. You have been through so much as well, I imagine the 2ww must be hell for you but like Alicia you have a great attitude and it helps me to see that. Fingers crossed for you.
Mia, how are you doing? You are a wealth of information. Have you decided what your next steps are going be? Maybe we can be buddies again.
Good luck to Chubbs and Mandy
Think I have gone on for long enough today. Don't know what I would do without you lot.
Love
Wendy
Dolly
Thank you so much for your message and support. It really helps to know how others dealt with the same thing. I think a lot of people think with such an early m/c it shouldn't take long to get over but when you are striving for something for so long there are so many hopes and dreams attached to it from the start and its not just the baby you've lost but also the life you imagined for yourself.
Martin has offered to send me to Stobo Castle for a night of pampering with his Mum if I want so might take him up on that offer or go to London for a couple of days shopping with my friend, another handbag doesn't really fill the void though.
I am still looking forward, we had thought we wouldn't do anymore than 6 treatments, this was my 5th but as painful as this has been it has given me back the hope to carry on for a while yet before looking at other alternatives.
Thanks again Dolly for your honesty and I wish you all the luck in the world with your results.
Love
Wendy
Thank you so much for your message and support. It really helps to know how others dealt with the same thing. I think a lot of people think with such an early m/c it shouldn't take long to get over but when you are striving for something for so long there are so many hopes and dreams attached to it from the start and its not just the baby you've lost but also the life you imagined for yourself.
Martin has offered to send me to Stobo Castle for a night of pampering with his Mum if I want so might take him up on that offer or go to London for a couple of days shopping with my friend, another handbag doesn't really fill the void though.
I am still looking forward, we had thought we wouldn't do anymore than 6 treatments, this was my 5th but as painful as this has been it has given me back the hope to carry on for a while yet before looking at other alternatives.
Thanks again Dolly for your honesty and I wish you all the luck in the world with your results.
Love
Wendy