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Hi All-
Thanks for the welcome, Melo and Suzhan! Melo - hope we will be stimming together - if all goes according to my plan.

I totally understand about your anticipation of the future, how things will take place, what dates, will everything work out, etc. My clinic is an hour away from my job, and I am already trying to block my schedule in the mornings and days that I think I will be out. It's difficult because I am hosting a lot of meetings this fall. Most days I have someone to back me up though, if I suddenly can't come in.

Anyway, my psychiatrist thinks that one of the reasons that my IVF cycle worked in Feb 07 was that I had given up! I was only doing it for my DH and to say we tried. I was doing a lot of Yoga and meditation and I guess got to a place where I could let go of a lot . . . This time, I have a lot of expectations because of the success we had last time . . . I think I need to practice letting go and trying to feel like it is OK no matter what the outcome. Easier said than done, right?

One thing on my mind is the possibilty that we might need donor eggs. I am OK with this but my DH is less so, but he said it is OK if I want to. He thinks I am getting ahead of myself (I am) but you know how important it is to just empty your head of all the garbage . . . maybe this is more important to women than men.

Regarding RLS - actually - as many as 20% of all pregnant women experience it. OB's are TERRIBLY ignorant about it and prescribe drugs that actually aggravate the condition! (like antihistamines!) Some women don't realize what it is, and it's not bad enough to seriously impact their lives. In reality, it is one of the two major causes of RLS! In most women, goes away shortly before or after delivery. I was crushed when it did not go away . .. but I have learned to live with it (24/7 - not just at night). I have been on a lot of meds, but the new doc has me getting off them and so far so good. He called yesterday and said that I have a moderate to severe Iron deficiency and that I'm going to be trying intravenous Iron. I really hope it helps as much as the doc thinks it will.

PS - I am realy lost with many of the abbreviations used on this web site - is there a glossary somewhere?

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One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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Melo_P wrote:Hi All

Suzhan - great to see your trying again too. What is CD and 0? Hope you get to get started soon. I kind of wanted to wait a bit longer - but with the hols in all I figured if I didn't just get going this cycle - I'd have to wait until after hols too. Hopefully you'll start in next few weeks too then!
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Hi girls

Popping in say hello. How is everyone keeping?

Zoegirl - congrats on your little boy and welcome to the number 2 thread. How are you getting on, do you have any dates yet for ivf?

Melo_p - I hope that you are keeping well and positive. Do you have any date for the er yet?

Suzhan - I am the same after ivf. Ovulation is always very late and the cycle is all over the place. I am hoping that you get lucky....

Alreadyblessed and kimmysq - hope you are both keeping well.

I am ok here. Very up and down since the miscarriage. I think i went through the angry phase last week, I have calmed down this week. I got my ap at the weekend so I think that I am going to try naturally this month. I bought a new ovulation tester - saliva based microscope - so I'll see how that works. I am sure the first proper cycle will be all over the place. I have a consultation with the ivf doctors at the end of this month. I don't feel able at all to even talk about another cycle yet - I feel like I need a month long sun holiday before I face it all again!

Chat soon again.
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joyanna wrote:Hi girls

Popping in say hello. How is everyone keeping?

Zoegirl - congrats on your little boy and welcome to the number 2 thread. How are you getting on, do you have any dates yet for ivf?

Melo_p - I hope that you are keeping well and positive. Do you have any date for the er yet?

Suzhan - I am the same after ivf. Ovulation is always very late and the cycle is all over the place. I am hoping that you get lucky....

Alreadyblessed and kimmysq - hope you are both keeping well.

I am ok here. Very up and down since the miscarriage. I think i went through the angry phase last week, I have calmed down this week. I got my ap at the weekend so I think that I am going to try naturally this month. I bought a new ovulation tester - saliva based microscope - so I'll see how that works. I am sure the first proper cycle will be all over the place. I have a consultation with the ivf doctors at the end of this month. I don't feel able at all to even talk about another cycle yet - I feel like I need a month long sun holiday before I face it all again!

Chat soon again.
really great to hear from you - I've heard those microscopes are pretty cool - can't wait to hear how it goes and will be hoping that you get lucky too.....i don't think i'm going to get lucky again this cycle, but who knows....one day I think maybe I'm pg, the next, I'm sure I'm not. I took an evit hpt today and it was blaring white, but I usually don't see bfp's until 11 or 12 dpo, so i'm at least another 1-2 days early. unfortunately, with two m/c's, I've got a lot of experience with hpt's (positive and negative)....

Melo - you should be moving right along, hope things are going well for you!
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Hello-

Melo - hope your needle review went well - everyone's favorite part!

Suzhan - hang in there waiting for the test results. I've got my fingers crossed for you!

Joyanna - Thanks for the congrats and welcome. A long sun holiday would be perfect! As the days get shorter, it becomes clear how much the sun helps a positive mood and outlook. Actually, I have one of those lamps that simulates sunlight - got to get it out and turn it on! I hope you continue to recover and feel a bit better as the days pass.

I don't have any dates yet. We just finished our preliminary testing and are waiting for the doc to create our protocol. I did lupron last time and they said they only do cetrotide now. Other than that, I don't know what will be different. Has anyone done both lupron and cetrotide and why one would be preferred?

Because of the restless leg syndrome, I also may have to wait longer than I wanted to get started. I had an infusion of 1000 mg of ferritin on friday 10/3 and I am still waiting to see if it worked (could take 10 days). My ferritin deficiency (common cause of RLS) was moderate to severe (6-12). Doc says that some folks feel better when their iron reaches 60-70, and others need more (120-130.). To complicate matters, I had an allergic reaction to the ferritin (fairly common and treated with benedryl or steroids).

I don't know when or if the Neuro will decide I need more, but the long and the short of it is that he told me to wait until he has isolated the cause of my RLS (ferritin or other) and decided on the best treatment before we start an IVF cycle. I really thought it would be a quicker process, but am greatful to have such a good neurologist, so I guess I can wait a couple of months if I have to . . . but who knows -maybe I will feel better by MOnday and we'll be able to get started.
Me 39, endo, high fsh, DH 41 ("super sperm")
One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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Hi Guys
How is everyone?

Suhzan - I might have been sleep walking - I didn't realise you were on 2ww!!! When do you test!! Bags and sacks of luck to you - have everything crossed for you!!

Zoe-Girl - hope they fix your protocol soon - does this mean your ready to start with the next AF? Or will you wait until you have sorted out your leg problem? Gosh talk about curve balls from everywhere hey!

Joyanna - how are you going? Do you think you will plan to try again any time soon? You have some frosties left right?

I have been down regging for about a week now - and just started for some reason to feel quite low and a bit depressed. I wondered if its the side effects of the drugs. Just feel very emotional at the slightest thing. Like practically every time my DH lights up a cigarette outside - I practically burst out crying it frustrates me so much that he hasn't stopped! Just wanting to control things as much I can I guess. They have my collection and ET scheduled for week of 3/11 all going well - but time seriously seems to be creeping along!!


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Me: 36 DH: 40
* 8 transferred embryos from 3 Fresh IVF cycles and 3 FET that failed (2005-2009)
* 1 M/C 11 wks FET (May 2008)
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Melo - it's hard when you are feeling so emotional - I can sympathize in many ways. I am so emotional right now . . . off the antidpressants, the days are getting shorter, poor quality sleep, and the RLS. It's hard when so many things feel out of control and you want to control them. Husbands do NOT seem to understand at all . . . They seem to want us to be pleasant and happy all the time! Hang in there . . . glad things are on track for your ET. Hope you are feeling a bit better.

RE: the smoking - It is so frustrating! My Dad smoked for years and only stopped when he reached a major health crisis. My sisters and I had to babysit him for two weeks while he started the patch and detoxed.

It's 11 days since my iron infusion and my legs are filled with the creepy crawly feeling. I called the neuro yesterday, as pre-arranged, to tell him my status, but have not received a call back. Trying to resist the urge to call again. I want to know if I can get another ferritin infusion. Maybe my ferritin still isn't high enough? I'm only sleeping from about 9:30 - 4am each night. (I used to sleep 7-8 hours night.) I wake at 4 am and just twitch all over until I get out of bed. The last three days I've used the 4-5 am hour to do yoga. If I can't sleep, maybe I can do something else beneficial for myself . . . it's the only time of day when DH or baby or pets do not demand anything from me.

Haven't heard from the doc re: my protocol. Perhaps they are waiting for my next cycle day 2 FSH. It should be later this week. The neurologist recommends waiting until we have the ferrtin deficiency resolved.
Me 39, endo, high fsh, DH 41 ("super sperm")
One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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Hi Zoe girl - That sounds pretty frustrating :cry: - hope it all clears up soon. What are the odds of that iron deficiency happening?? Does it happen to lots of woman in pregnancy? Anyway don't resist the urge - if its going to possibly make you feel better or get another injection - do it for sure!!!

Suhzhan - when do you test exactly? Hope time isn't creeping too slowly for you.


Things ticking on here - now (as of announcement today) just a massive restructure at work to contend with - where they announced that there are going to be lots of job cuts and an entire shake up on the whole company (like I can do with that stress too! I guess at least it is a distraction!)

Got AF today (god willing the last one I see for the next 9 months!!!! And expect another week down regging before I test to see if all systems have shut off and am sufficiently menapausal to then start a big old bonfire under the ovaries and get them producing truckloads of eggs we hope!!!


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* 8 transferred embryos from 3 Fresh IVF cycles and 3 FET that failed (2005-2009)
* 1 M/C 11 wks FET (May 2008)
* Blessed DD born 08 Nov 06 from FET.
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Melo -
Too bad about your office restructuring - I've been through that and know it can be very uncertain and stressful. Hopefully it won't be too bad. My sister has been through 5 reorgs in 5 years in the financial industry and has survived them all . . .

Sounds like you are off to a good start with your AF (antral follicles??) I never had to "down-reg". Do you have to take meds or does it happen naturally?

Restless legs occurs in about 23% of pregnant women, according to the RLS Foundation (RLS.org). For most, it goes away soon after delivery. It tends to be worse with subsequent pregnancies (hears personal reports of this also). For some folks with RLS, especially women, raising the blood ferritin level will give relief from symptoms (my doc says about 15% of his patients) but others, increasing the blood ferritin level does not really help. They think that for some reason it does not cross into the brain in these folks.

Seems more and more likely that the iron is not going to help and I will be dealing with this for the rest of my life. It never goes away and only gets progressively worse. To compound matters, many folks become tolerant of the drugs over time, or the drugs start to cause the symptoms instead of relieve them.

The neuro called me yesterday evening and said that if my November 3 ferritin level is 50-60 then he would give me another infusion. However, if it is higher, he would not. I don't understand that, given that folks on the RLS message board have reported personal experiences of needing to maintain levels of 120-150 to relieve symptoms.

I also heard from the IVF coordinator yesterday. THey fixed my protocol and were all ready to order the drugs, but I told them I had to wait for the OK from the neuro. If I don't start my cycle by 12/6, then I'll have to wait until January because the office shuts down between Christmas and New Year. How dare they!! :wink:

Sending good vibes to everyone . . . .

Zoe
Me 39, endo, high fsh, DH 41 ("super sperm")
One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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Hi girls

Hope you are all well.

Zoegirl - good luck with all - you have so much going on I can only imagine how hard it is for you. I hope that you get to do the ivf by 12/6. It is a good feeling to get going.

Melo_P - I am watching your timetable and praying for you. I hope that you are keeping ok but know that it is so hard. Any more news about work......you really don't need anymore stress and a re-structure like that is stress enough.

Suzhan - how are you keeping? I abandoned the microscope ovulation thing. I couldn't see any patterns at all and resorted to the usual pee on stick ovulation tests.

I was back in the ivf clinic last week because I have a pain on my rhs. it turns out that I have a small cyst on my right ovary that is bursting. It is small and it should disappear itself. We have to chat to them by the end of Oct to do a cycle in January because the clinic is really busy.....I don't feel ready at all yet but our top level plan is to try and take some time out, do another fresh cycle. We have 2 frozen blasts but we had zero success with 3 fets so we want to do fresh while I am still young (lol)! I turned 40 this week. I am having my party on saturday, I bought a wow dress........ I feel very fatigued, sore and achy since the miscarriage....does that make any sense to you melo-p and suzhan (I know that you have been through miscarriages)..... I just don't feel like myself at all.

Chat to you all soon.
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Just wanted to say hi to you all and say that I am so glad that this thread I started back when is till going! I hope that means that some of you are succeeding and having your #2s!! I so hope the best for you all and maybe one day I'll be back on here trying again for #2 myself. Take care all, Laura
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1st FET: 4/08- BFN
2nd FET: 7-3-08- cancelled :(
2nd IVF: 8/09- BFN
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Lauradc- hope to see you back on the thread! GLad you started it.

OK - my cycle day 2 FSH on 10/17/08 was 12.8. A bit lower than last month but my estradiol was 110, (up from 33) which could artificially suppress the FSH. Seems likely that the ovaries are starting to quit.
AACK! I feel like I need to commit to starting IVF on my next cycle . . . but have to wait for the neuro on 11/5 and find out my treatment options for the restless legs . . . Also, it would mean that my retrieval and transfer would be the week fo Thanksgiving! And we are hosting thanksgiving this year (DH cooks, not me, but the preparation is nevertheless VERY stressful for me as I am expected to clean and tidy all the DH's CRAP AND look after the baby--who turns 1 today, btw!)

Is that a bad idea to have retrieval adn transfer during what I expect to be a stressfull week, in addition to the wories about the legs? But what if I miss the window for a December cycle, my FSH goes up and in Jan I am a no go? UGH.

Hope everyone else is doing well!!! How are you all?
Me 39, endo, high fsh, DH 41 ("super sperm")
One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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Hi girls

Hope that everyone is keeping good. I miss the chats on our number two thread.

Melo_p - how are you getting on. Your er is in early december??? I think. I am really thinking of you and and praying that you will get the BFP. Let me know how you are.

Zoegirl - how are you getting on. When are you doing the er and et - do you know yet? Hope you are good.

Suzhan - any news with you???

I am good here. Got an infection after the miscarriage which was just what I didn't need but I am back on my feet now. We have a consultation with the doctor next week to discuss the next step for us. I am sure that he will mention my age ...being 40.....a million times - that is his little bug bear and he goes on and on. I am not sure what we are going to do. It is all beginning to pinch a little ....the emotional and financial woes of ivf. Plus I am being lazy about eating healthy, taking vits, getting exercise so I know that I am not in the zone yet lol........Thinking of you all and big hugs.
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Melo_p ...typo in my mail. Your er is early november not december???? sorry for mixing up the dates.
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HI there-

Joyanna - sorry to hear about the infection, but glad you are on the mend. I had an infection after my son was born - it was not fun. I hope your consultation goes well. You'll make the best decision for you and your family.

Well, I don't have any specific dates for ER or ET. How is it that some clinics are able to give those? My clinic doesn't decide until 2-3 days before - it is very difficult to plan . . . I should get AF on Monday or Tuesday, then on day 2 have my FSH checked. If it is not too high, I'll do 7 days of BCP then wait for AF again, then 7-10 days of stims. This is very different from my first time around. My first time, I did lupron, no BCPs and it seemed a lot less complicated. I know for sure the scheduling of my life was a lot less complicated. Now, with DS in the picture and running short of vaca/sick time it is a lot trickier.

Neurologist has cleared me for take off and both he and the RE have agreed I can take low dose of codeine/tylenol combo for my RLS in first trimester. Last night I made the switch to taking the codeine/tylenol combo and it did not work as well as the neurontin - I've been up since 1:30 am - but that could be from the intense itching I am experiencing . . .

. . . DS has scabies for the second time this fall! I do NOT know where it is coming from!!! Daycare insists no one there has had it. I insisted they do the treatment the first time. And I am really itching this time. FOr some reason I catch it but DH does not. Maybe because I take care of bath time. Also I think I have a toothache. Hoping I don't have to pay for a root canal right before the holidays . . . bye bye christmas shopping!!!

UGH . . . yesterday was such a great day . . . how did today become crap?!!

Glad to have you all to converse with. Hope I'm not dumping too much. Keep the updates coming!

Zoe
Me 39, endo, high fsh, DH 41 ("super sperm")
One DS from IVF #1, born 10/23/07
EDD 9/1/11 but of course, we expect them to arrive early
Passed 1st tri screen w/flying colors! Level II went great! Fetal Echo on 5/9/11
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