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Post by BelB »

Hey Paula,
You have been through the ringer haven't you??, thanks for such a detailed response, I had heard of FSH and knew that it had to do with stimulation of follicles that produce eggs, but that was about the extent of my understanding. I like that the higher FSH levels can increase the chance of multiples, sounds like you might be in for a bigger family addition than you were originally planning for (but very welcomed too!).

Oh, OHSS is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, it can develop when the dose of gonal F or Puregon that is prescribed for follicle stimulation proves too high (required dosage seems to vary from patient to patient) and stacks of follicles are produced. Results in massive swelling in the pelvis (is very cruel, I looked eight months pregnant when I had it), is very painful and usually requires hospitalisation and lots of pain releiving drugs. Explains why the doctors are so conservative (largely) in their prescription of follicle stimulating drugs and why they monitor us so closely throughout the cycle. I have never heard of there being a correlation between pre-morbid high FSH and OHSS though.

Oh, also thought you might be interested in checking out the 40 plus thread on this general forum. I have read it a few times and the women their seem lots more knowledgeable about some of the issues that you have raised (and may not ask the dumb questions that I have about FSH!!)..Keep posting here though as well, I have found the local support to be really useful and hope that you do too.

Take good care
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Post by Paula »

Hi Belb,

It's been a very draining year to say the least but hopefully that is all going to change now. ;)

Thanks for your post. Your experience with ohss sounds like it was a nightmare. I think I remember my doctor mentioning this and told me that it wouldn't happen to me because i had already had a child. My daughter is 15, so hopefully he's right.

As for the twins, well I really can't imagine that right now :lol: but twins do run in my family. My mother is a twin and my sister had twins so you never know.

I did go in the over 40 group already but thanks for the advice. I'm sure i'll find somewhere to fit in here real quick. Even if it's all over the place lol Everyone here is very sweet and supportive. I'm so happy this place is here.

Talk to you again soon.
Paula
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Post by BelB »

Hey Paula,
That sounds like a STRONG family twins history!!!
Glad that you found the 40 plus thread as well, the women there seem particularly supportive and wise.
I didn't realise that OHSS was a lower risk once you've had a child. My Annie (IVF FET baby) was born nine months ago (see my ticker!) and I am starting to think about having another go with an embie I have on ice at some stage in the next year or so. Not really sure if I want to do another stimulated cycle given my OHSS experience but will definately chat to my doctor..
Take good care all and have a fab weekend.
Ms Boo and I are off to the park today with some friends, is a lovely sunny day in South East Qld, so should be lovely.
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Post by Paula »

HI Girls,

Had my first injection today. Had a horrible experience :oops: I won't write it all out again but if you interested you can read my post in the over 40 crowd.

Hope your all having a great day. Hope you had fun at the park Belb.

Have a great weekend everyone. :)
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Post by Paula »

Hi Girls,

I posted something under the New topics and Kim thinks she remembers one of you ladies talking about having only one emby transfered. Anyways, i'll re-post my post here and if anyone can help me out with they're experience that would be great. Thanks ;)

Paula

Copy of other post:

Hi Ladies,

I was just wondering how many eggs your clinic transfers at one time. My clinic only recommends one egg at a time, but they will do 2, this is obviously done to reduce the chance of multiple births. I was wondering though if this would decrease your chances at the same time?

To the ladies who have had a bfp, how many eggs did you transfer?

I was also told today that because multiple births run in my family that if they put 2 eggs in me they would be pushing the issue and even with 1 egg I still have the chance of having twins. I'm not hoping for twins, but dh and I are prepared that this is a possibility with us.
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Post by BelB »

Hey Paula,

Just jumped over to the 40 plus thread and read your post. Sounds like you had a tough morning. I can relate to feeling completely freaked out at the whole injecting yourself experience. My hubby and I decided that it would be better if he did the injections into my tummy, and that we have a nurse friend do the profasi shot into the bottom prior to egg pick up. We also found that if we got the drug out of the fridge and loaded into the needle a few minutes prior to actual injection time that it hurt lots less (our doctor told us that this was a much kinder way of doing things and wouldn't compromise the drug in any way, shape or form. Other than that, some clinics use the pen form of administration (kind of like pushing the end of a ballpoint pen in and a quick needle pops out), you don't actually see the needle until it pops out is my understanding, so if it is the sight of the needle that is concerning you this might be an option. Might be worth chatting to your doctor about.

As for the number of embies transferred, I know this is a contentious area. My clinic are very much of the less is more school of thought and transfer maximum two but strongly suggest one. I have had two embie transfers all up and both times two embies were transferred. My feeling (and everyone is different on this!!), is that surely it must up your chances slightly to have two embies as apposed to one, but I have read that this may not necessarily be the case. I know that my clinic are more likely to transfer more than one embie in older patients as the success rates are slightly lower in an older population, and this is seen as a way of increasing the odds..

Take good care Paula
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Post by Paula »

Thanks for your message Bel,

It just makes it so tempting to want to take two now, but I guess I really need to go with the advice of my clinic. I also think I would have a better chance with 2 embies compared to one. I know my clinic would do it if I asked them. It's a big decision, and like I said, I'm pron to twins and the nurse said I would be pushing the issue. Not that I would be upset if I had twins but I would much rather have them one at a time :lol: I guess I have a couple weeks to make my final decision.

Thanks again for your input

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Paula
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Post by hlloyd »

Hello ladies and welcome aboard Paula.

Josie, glad to hear everything is going so well. Great results for the Nuchal, that must be comforting. Well done on passing another milestone.

Deanne, yay you...second trimester and feeling better...it will be all plain sailing from here. I was drooling on the keyboard re the African food, yummo. I am gonna have to google me some African recipes and get cooking....and like Belinda said, you really must be over the morning sickness after all that lot.

Belinda, how is Miss Boo going? I hope she is all better and mum and dad are getting some well earned rest. I also hope she is keeping focused during meal times and your sensitive bits are no longer suffering. Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Tiger, so sorry about the cycle. Did they give you any reason as to why the Synarel wasn't working and what do they suggest for next time? What a bummer to come all this way and have to return home without finishing the job. Glad that you get to see DH though, I hope the reunion went well. :wink:

MissMolly, how is everything going with you? Injection today...yay...things are really moving along for you. I always love it when the injections start, that means it is not long to go! Good luck. Oh, any further developments with your ghost....sounds really spooky.

Paula, hello!! Sounds like you have had quite a bit to deal with. I am glad that you have found us...we rock!! Just kidding, great work with the FSH levels, that is just amazing. Sorry to hear about your injection incident though. Has it been easier today? I hope so, I can't offer any advice other than to get it over with as quickly as possible. Good luck.

Again, nothing much to report here. I start my next cycle at the end of next month and like Paula, it will be a short one. Sniffing from CD2 and stimming from CD3. Looks like EC on 5 October which doesn't thrill me as THAT birthday happens right in the middle of my 2ww. I will have to delay any birthday celebrations (read: mid life crisis freak out) until after that....does that mean I can delay my birthday also? DH has suggested that we celebrate early....not on my watch, I much prefer the first option!

I have my FIL staying with us at the moment and then my mum arrives on Sunday...yay!! We are then heading to Airlie Beach for some much needed R&R. We were planning on going to Hamilton Island but it is regatta week and the only accommodation I could get was $650 a night for a delightful unit C1970. That is ok, because I love Airlie (all the bars and restaurants that spill out on to the streets) and we can do some day trips to the islands which will be fantastic. My dear old mum has never been to the Whitsundays and I am really looking forward to showing her a good time....and getting her to relax.

Have a great week ladies and I will catch up on all the gossip when I get back.

Cheers
Heather
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Heather,

Glad to hear that the cycle is just about underway, sounds like it will be quick!, this is probably a good thing, I used to get quite anxious when the cycle just seemed to go on and on and on (but then patience is not my virtue!!)..You'll have a fabulous time in Arlie Beach, the day trips are lovely as well (especially if you can get some of the stand by type rates), look forward to hearing how it all went.

Paula, a big decision re. the whole one or two embie debate, makes sense to go with the advice of the clinic. I also think that sometimes it comes down to the quality of the embies, if they're not high quality embies they might suggest putting two in to increase the odds, I guess it's one of those things where you take it as it comes..Good luck!

Annie and I are doing well, my left nipple is now well healed. Honestly, it was exquisitely painful for about a week, it truly felt like I was being stabbed with hot wire into my nipples everytime I fed. The antibiotics really helped though, as did "resting" that side, feeding off the right side and hand expressing milk from the left. A bit of a drama to be honest but thank goodness is all better now (so don't want to go through that in a while thank you very much!).

Have a great weekend all
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Morning B, Sounds like your doing alot better with your breast feeding. I hadn't realized what you were going through. OUCH!!! Good advice with the breast feeding consultant though. I think I'll do the same thing.

My dh has been doing my shots. I don't know what he did to me today but I think he was half asleep still because I was screaming and bleeding all at the same time :shock: I have a big red mark now, i'm sure i'll look like a pin cusion by the time this is all over with. But am trying to keep up the PMA :) I can do this....

Heather, thanks for your welcome. You girls do rock here. I don't know what i'd do without this place. I'm so happy I found it! :) Not sure where Airlie Beach is, "I'm new to Australia" but it sounds like your going to have fun. Sounds like next month is going to be an exciting one for you, both for your start and for your birthday. The big 40, I did the same thing this year. I'm still in disbelief and it's been 2 1/2 months :lol: My option, just forget this one and do it again next year. Put it off as long as you can ;)

Hope everyone else is having a great weekend. Sunny in Sydney today :) Take care everyone and talk soon.

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Paula
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Post by Deanne »

Hi everyone,

Paula welcome to the site, glad you're finding it useful, they're a great bunch of ladies on here.

Sorry you're finding the injections so tough - I hope that they get easier as time goes on.

Re number of embies transferred, I had a single precious one transferred on day 3 and luckily for us it resulted in a BFP (I'm now nearly 14 weeks PG). Our clinic strongly prefers to only transfer 1, but it does depend on age (I'm 32). As it turned out, we didn't have a choice anyway as out of 11 eggs we only had one fertilise and develop properly. So remember that one is all it takes!

Hi to everyone else. Tiger, sorry your cycle was cancelled. Hope you're enjoying being back with DH again though!

Heather have a great time at Airlie Beach.

Bel, glad you & Annie are on the mend.

Cheers
Deanne
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1st IVF cycle June 05 +ve
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Hi Ladies,
Deanne, can't believe that you're 14 weeks!, wow that's gone fast (to everyone but you I'm sure!) Do you have that second trimester "glow" yet??
Tiger, you must be just about in Japan by now with your fabulous husband, hope you're having a fantastic time!
Paula, hope that the injections are getting easier, it really does get better I promise (especially when you hold that precious baby in your arms).
We're doing OK up here, Annie is nine and a half months, we are starting to plan for her birthday party (lord knows I may even bake?!?!?!). We think we'll have a bit of a barbie in the park with friends and family, just something small (but will probably turn out to be bigger than ben hur!!)

Take care all
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Post by Paula »

Morning ladies,

Just got back from town, and from the hospital. Yep, you guessed it! After sitting there with the needle in my hands for 45 mins I finally chickened out and went to the clinic to get the nurses to do it. I'll try again tomorrow. My 15yr old daugther was going to do it for me but she was so nervous that it made me even more nervous so I couldn't let her do it :lol:

Bel, sounds like your having a beautiful time with Annie :) I'm sure her first birthday will be bigger than ben hur but that's what its all about, it's so exciting isn't it :D

Deanne, thanks for your welcome. Nice to see you here and thanks for your concern with my injections. I"m hoping its going to get easier and if it doesn't then oh well, it's only a short time I have to do it. That is unless it doesn't work out for me this month. I hope your right and I can get used to this. Congrats on being 14 weeks! That's wonderful for you. How are you feeling?

How are you doing Heather and Tiger?

I have a blood test on thursday to see how i'm going, then i'm booked for an ultra scan on Mon.

I start a new job tomorrow. I got the job before I found out i was having treatment this month. This should be exciting trying to get time off work when I just got the job.

Anyways, hope everyone is doing good and feeling great. Talk to you soon.

Huugs
Paula
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Post by Tiger »

Big G'day from very hot & sticky Tokyo!!

Firstly, big WELCOME to Paula. This site is wonderful isn't it - and we have a super bunch here, I am confident you will never again feel alone riding on the IVF rollercoaster :wink:. How did injection go this morning? I hope it was ok.

Bel, glad to hear you and little Boo are on the mend. Yea I need to get a new ticker going... . I read your post on your exp with OHSS... You said it felt like 8 months pregnant..... so with my already 5 mths preg sized tummy.... I would be carrying 13mths preg size tummy????

Deanne, sounds llike you are doing great, did you get to see your little bubs at your last scan? All I saw was a beautifully maturing follicle with wonderfully lined uterus at my last scan - something I didn't want :( .

Heather, I reckon we might cycle at same time for our next tmt? I am yet to decide whether to start on my next cycle due in another 10 days or the one after that. I have taken up a 8 weeks temp contract work with my previous OZ employer starting early Sept so I am not sure yet.

MissMolly, just wondering how you are going? Acu getting more aggressive???

Thanks all for your kind words re my cancelled tmt .... I was tad dissapointed but I am more happy to be with my DH. I got back here Friday evening last week and it feels like I have never been away, we are ecstatic to be back together again - I don't need anything else. Ah - one thing though - out little hamster was 38gms back in June - he now weighs 50gms??? ??? ???

Catch you again all soon,
Cheers, Tiger
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Tiger,
Yikes!!, that hampster is getting big!!, if I hear reports of a HUGE hampster loose in Tokyo I'll know where (and who!) he came from!!! Glad that you're back and safe, must be lovely to see hubby again. Again, so sorry to hear that the cycle was cancelled. My thought is that as you go along with IVF your doctor and yourself become more skilled at predicting how you will respond to the dosage of medication and the overall protocol, so see this as a learning experience for everyone..OHSS is yucko!!, I can really see why the clinics do what they can to minimise excessive egg production (despite us thinking that surely more is better!!)..

Paula, don't stress my love, the clinic is there to do what they can to make your cycle easier..that's what we pay them for!..The good news is that the injections don't go on for super long though, it will be over before you know it..

We are well up here, had a funny experience in the bath tonight with Annie-Boo. She was sitting between my legs splashing away, all of a sudden she turned to me and grabbed my pubic hair..really hurt actually, but I did have to laugh..will have to write that one in her baby book so she can laugh with me when she's 18 (or maybe I could read it on her 21st!!)

Take care all, two more days until the weekend
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