Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Good to be back and feel so much love on the board. :D Crazy how you somewhat feel connected when none of us have ever met. Well if you ever get down this way please look me up, but this is my first forum to ever join and I would be in crazytown without some of you. All I know is we have to find some humor along the way to get us through this journey as we patiently wait for a miracle to happen. I try to stay grounded but I also know without taking chances we'll never know what's possible.

Julia- I will be praying for your ultrasound tomorrow, that has happened so many times to me with having a lead follicle. Alot of the time they will let folicles grow up to 22mm so the others can have a chance to catch up. So they should be closely monitoring you and see if they can get the others to catch up. Keep us posted and I'll say a prayer tonight for your follibabies.

Gina- Oh no I thought he was doing better and now it's his ear bothering him. I missed what's causing him to be going through this? Is it related to an ear infection or allergies? I will keep your son in my prayers seeing him in pain is the hardest thing any mom would ever have to endure. I hope he continues to rest well tonight and you can get him into the doctor office tomorrow. Let us know how everything goes.

LauraN- Thank you for providing the cost of meds I have my previous receipts saved from Ascend and MDR so I will pull them out this weekend and compare notes with you. I'm not sure if I'm going to go for the progsterone tablets again, my last ones crumbled before I even got them out of the wrapper. Not sure if it was a packing issue or from being in the refrigerator and going to room temperature but they were a mess and my clinic said it sounded like a quality issue so I should bring some the next time I come in for an appt so they can look into it w/ me.

Globetrotter- Also Thinking about progesterone shots MAYBE but not sure of the price difference in comparison to the tablets and from their experience they tell me you get the same amount of progesterone that you do with the shots. Some cycle buddies here (like WeHaveHope) think the shots gave them a better outcome, might ask her when she gets back from her cruise next week.

Ninde- Interesting how they make us think about frozen embryos as our "surviving children" and I found all her scenerios simply insane. lol I also learned yesterday that the trigger shot doesn't have to be neccessary given in the rear, lol that is the way dh always gave me every single passed hcg shot...so I learned something new. The class was very informational overall, much more knowledge compared to my first clinic (where we just went over contract and injections.) Here I got to meet everyone and don't feel so much in the dark with the overall process. How is your cycling coming along, not too much longer until ER. :D

AFM: Nothing exciting just talking with boss in figuring out what days to request off...Isn't It tough when you don't really know if it's going to be a 3 or 5 day transfer. Drama going on at work with one girl not seeming to catch on quickly enough. We were promoted at the same time which may be part of the problem. She's always comparing and it's like comparing apples to oranges since I've done this line of work for more then 15 years but comparing is not healthy to do. She's great at selling but that's all she focuses on. The other day our boss told her "she's not meeting her expections" and instead of trying to find out what she can do to change she's taken it very personal. Since then she has been telling several of us that she has had enough and ready to quit. I didn't want her to do anything rational, so I convinced her to sit down and talk with our boss. She's very good with the customers and fun loving with her coworkers and we are close as sisters, but she takes everything to heart. I just hope she snaps out of this as I know she holds grudges and today as I was explaining what my boss had just taught me, she clocks in and my boss tries to show her what we're going over and she had an issue over something my boss said so she and my boss had another 30 minute conversation in the backroom. I just don't want to lose her, so trying to figure out what I can do, but she has a mentality issue that she hasn't been given all the tools to learn what she needs to do. Others complain that she doesn't help with closing procedures, because she often gets side-tracked and doesn't finish the first thing she started. They even tell me she'll ask them to clock out per scheduled shift but continue straightening the store at night. I have decided not to say anything to my boss about that, but tell the girls NOT to let her do that anymore. Hopefully there is something we can do to help her improve but she has been told to step up to the plate. Maybe some people improve with criticism, while others focus too much on what others think that the feelings get into the way, but there must be something good underneath it all and I have to figure out how to help her.
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4/10 HR 184
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Gina- Your poor son, you would think they would take the tooth out so the child wouldnt have to suffer any longer then needed... Hope they take care of this issue soon for you, I would tell them forget the cleaning and get to the reall issue... ;)

Globetrotter-I had my DH give me my 1st shot when I first started IVF then from that point on I decided to do it myself cause I think it hurt more letting him do it... So I pinch the skin and then do the needle it doesnt hurt as much that way and I got use to it pretty quick...

AFM- woke up today with more blood :( Still went for BW even though I know bad news to come this afternoon... Already been crying all morning this is just so frustrating... I am hanging onto as much hope as possible but have to think logically right now so that I am prepared for the call this afternoon... Well I went to a Christian Concert last night to see Casting Crowns awesome concert, during the concert the lead singer mentioned how he just did adoption and that there would be someone from that agency there to talk to anyone that may be interested I felt maybe God was talking to me so I got the paperwork just to inquire not going to give up on my Dream I still have frosties but still want to check out all the avenues :) Then Today I woke up to my Best Friend (also Niece) found out she is pregnant I am so happy for her but at the same time reality hit me and I emotionally broke into pieces... I dont want her to see me this way cause any pregnancy is the happiest time for any women, but I guess a piece of me is jealous that she doesnt even try and she is pregnant this will be her 3rd child... Trust me I am so happy for her just wish I could get good news too... Hope everyone had a good day :)
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Blue - empty sac. No "fetal pole". Sac was perfect 7 week sac, just no baby.

Christy - Thanks. We are so angry right now that we both jsut want to be done. I am just not sure how much more I can take. You ladies are so strong.

Sorry so short. I am at work and I am trying not to lose it!
FET #1, #2 - M/C
FET #3 - @ 7 weeks
FET # 4 - Canceled. Hysoroscopy and DnC
FET# 5 - coming soon! November 2012 or so.
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Re: Fall Cycle 2011 (Sept, Oct, Nov) this cycle is the one!!

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leorira11 wrote:I was stalking the "Summer 2011" board to follow some people I've cycled with before (in fall and winter 2010-2011). I was expecting twin boys in Oct/Nov -- but my beautiful sons were born too soon at exactly 24 weeks in July. Sadly, they did not make it out of the NICU. Micha lived for 5 days and Asaf lived for 9 days.

I had a C-section, so some doctors are recommending waiting a long time to get pregnant again (a year or 6 months). My OB said we could try again as soon as 3-4 months post-C-section. We meet with the RE on Sept 6 to discuss our options. We have one frozen embryo - I would prefer to do a new fresh cycle, but our insurance usually only covers FETs if there are frozen embryos ---- so we'll see which we are doing.

Also - I've now had 2 extremely preterm deliveries (boy/girl twins at 22 weeks in Dec '09 and now my sons at 24 weeks). I'm investigating what could be causing these preterm deliveries and how to prevent them. My current OB (who I'm not too happy with) says that we should do nothing, 'wait & see' and I should be able to carry a singleton to term safely..... I'm looking for a second opinion. Several women and expert doctors have suggested maybe cervical incompetence is causing my early deliveries. I'm researching different types of cerclages (stitch in the cervix to prevent preterm dilation) ---- I have an appt with another expert next week to see what he has to say.

So it appears that I will be doing some type of cycle (fresh or FET) or some type of treatment in Fall 2011. I was expecting to be a brand new mommy to twin boys in fall 2011 -- but that has fallen through....:(

These boards are such a place of support and love. Sometimes I feel that some of my cycle buddies from here are the only people in the world who understand what we are going through.

hugs and babydust to everyone!
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Did you think of going abroad for IVF? My friend went to Ukraine last summer and now she expects a healthy child in few month, so I am thinking to go the same clinic, as she did, and collecting information about other clinics in Ukraine.
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Hello ladies

Akdelp: Im really thinking of you. Its so dreadfully unfair what has happened

Kynlee: oh you poor thing with all that worry. But hang on in there - I have seen people have bfp even when there is bleeding. Im hoping all is going to be well with you but I know you are in pain x

Christy: work issues really are the pits. I get what you mean aout not comparing, its not helpful. Oh and my trigger shot was in the stomach. Getting on fine - two stimming injections done

Daniella: my sister has researched clinics in the ukraine and found a good one

Leora: a client of my accupuncturist also has compliations with her cervix similar to you and has also lost a number of babies. She had a stich put in and is currently about 13 weeks pregnant but she usually makes it to about 20 weeks so isnt out of the woods yet

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Ivf # 1 aug 2011 bfp. M/C 9 weeks
Ivf # 2 Mar 2012, beta Apr 12: Bfn
Ivf # 3 Aug 2012, another heart breaking bfn
Ivf # 4 Feb 2012
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Kynlee- Sorry you had more bleeding, I hope it's nothing and everything is fine and you get your good beta numbers. We are calling early on Monday to tell them we are skipping the cleaning and they are pulling it. If they complain we'll go higher up. I can't wait until we are out of the military and have choices!

Christy- Sorry to hear about your Coworker! I hope she will start to understand that y'all are just trying to help. Glad your Boss is working with you on a schedule! So excited for you!

DS's ear has been off and on with pain for a month now. He was fine for a few straight days then BAM! Last night for 3 hrs he cried off and on. It makes me SO angry that the clinics took today and Monday for a training holiday and closed, so we had to do the ER thing again! Like before we said that the nose sprays and allergy pills aren't fixing it. Yes he has some sinus drainage but that's not causing this much ear pain! So she looked at him again (not a reg Doctor of course) and said she couldn't see in the ear much. Babies and young kids have zig zag ear tubes and it stretches as they grow. The second ER "Doctor" said this may be the cause, and that the blood vessels inside where inflamed. So he just gave us the same ole crap medicine. So today this one gave him something different......2 different kinds of ear drops, plus if you put some cloves in with a little olive oil and boil them, you take the liquid and put it on the tooth and it will take the pain away.....this also works with a sore throat. They also gave him Tylenol with Codeine. So that should finally last him through school.

So Monday morning we are telling the Dentist to pull the tooth and clean them another day, and then calling the Ear, Nose and Throat Doctor on Tuesday since they want to close for stupid training. Really annoying. Just tired of him being in pain!! I know he is too.
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Globetrotter - yes, you can carry needles and injectible medicines on the plane. I've done it. I wouldn't pack them deep in your carryon though. Keep them out so they are easily viewable through the xray. That way it doesn't look like you're trying to hide anything. You can also get a letter from your doctor saying you need the injectible medications. I've actually had one of those but have never been asked to present it.

And regarding ectopic, I really think it depends on where the blockage of your tubes was done. Unless it's right where the tubes meet the uterus, there's a chance that the embryo could enter the tube, proceed to the point of the blockage, and implant.

Akdelp - so sorry to read of your empty sac. Hugs to you.
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Globetrotter- I really wouldn't worry yourself about an ectopic pregnancy. And on your DH having to go on your business trip now, you could consider contacting a clinic in the area and just paying them to give you your shot daily. That is what I would do. I have been lucky that while I was traveling I have a couple of great friends that were already going with, and they were willing to give me my shots. And on the Progesterone shot, I would highly recommend getting the numbing cream, then you won't worry as much. I literally can't feel that bad boy going in or the meds going in.
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DS- 20 & 18 (previous marriage)
IVF#1- Aug 2011-Chemical/MC at 4 1/2 weeks
IVF#2- Dec 2011- M/C at 8w1d
IVF#3- April 2012- BFN
IVF#4- Aug 2012 DE 8/17 ET, beta 8/31- BFN(have 8 frosties)
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Just wanted to keep you all posted, Got my BFN :( Go back to RE on the 28th to discuss whats next... Had a bad afternoon but trying to pick myself back up... Ill do personals after just going to go relax and get my mind off of this bad cycle.. :(
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*CRASHING*

Akdelp: So sorry. There are no right words. This process is often so difficult. This is so unfair, I am sorry. (((HUGS)))
Me: 44, endo. & 1 tube due to rupture
DH 36 fine
IVF#1 double ectopic/severe OHSS 12/08
IVF#2 BFN
IVF#3 BFP-->m/c
IUI#1, #2, and #3, 2010 BFN
IVF#4-2/11 HPT=BFP 11dpo; 13dpo=240! 15dpo=653, 20dpo=5522,3/29=u/s-1sac1yolk 4/4=2 HBs!
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**CRASHING**

Kynlee: CRAP! I must have been posting the same time that you were..I was stalking for your results.....this is SO UNFAIR. :( :( I am sending positive thoughts and prayers your way. BIG ((HUGS))
Me: 44, endo. & 1 tube due to rupture
DH 36 fine
IVF#1 double ectopic/severe OHSS 12/08
IVF#2 BFN
IVF#3 BFP-->m/c
IUI#1, #2, and #3, 2010 BFN
IVF#4-2/11 HPT=BFP 11dpo; 13dpo=240! 15dpo=653, 20dpo=5522,3/29=u/s-1sac1yolk 4/4=2 HBs!
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Kynlee- I'm so sorry, lots of hugs and prayers coming your way. Take all the time you need.
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Knylee: im really so sorry. Do whatever you need and know that all the support we can give you here we will x

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Ivf # 1 aug 2011 bfp. M/C 9 weeks
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***crashing***
Awww geeze, I was really hoping for some good news when I checked in today.

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Sending hugs to Akdelp and Knylee - I am so sorry ladies. As always there are never any words to express how horrible this is for you both. I was really rooting for you guys.

Globetrotter - I just wanted to 2nd and 3rd what everyone else has said about the ectopic pregnancies. I also had blocked tubes at one point and time. Ectopics are still possible in IVF pregnancies even after a tubal ligation. In fact, my first RE told me that there was a study that showed that even after tubal ligations ectopics occur at a higher rate than one would expect. The way he explained it is that even though the tubes are blocked off, there is still a space with a small portion of the tubes where the tubes connect to the uterus and there is really no way to eliminate that space. He also said that any type of surgery on the tubes often resulted in some level of scarring which may may make that area larger - hence increasing the risk of an ectopic. Any implanted embryo in that space would not be viable and would be considered ectopic. When you consider that the embryo does not implant firmly in the uterus for a few days after the transfer it makes sense that the little embryo is just bouncing around inside of the uterus until it implants. Which is why they recommend bedrest and reduced activity for some period of time after the transfer (the length of time varies from doctor to doctor).

Secondly, regarding your friend with the four follicles it really only takes one. But keep in mind IVF is not an exact science or else we would all have had success after our first cycle. With that in mind, they monitor and adjust medications throughout but sometimes it just a poor response to medications over all. Did they check an AMH level on your friend? That would indicate her ovarian reserve and they say that ovarian reserve declines rapidly after the age of 30 even in the healthiest women. It could also be that the cocktail of meds were not the best recipe for her. These are things doctors do not know until they try them and it is hard to switch protocols in the middle of the cycle. There are different medications to stimulate the ovaries and some women respond to one medication better than another. My first cycle I only got 10 eggs, then with my second cycle we switched everything around and got 26 eggs - there was no explanation for why I responded to one medication better than another. I wish the IVF process was more cut and dry, but unfortunately it is not as such many of us finding ourselves going through multiple cycles. Hopefully this will not be the case for you and you will sail through this cycle and have a little bundle in your arms before you know it :) !
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DH - 39


IVF #1 - 2010 - BFN :(
IVF #2 - 7/11- BFN :(
#3 FET - 9/22/11- BFP (God is good)!!! DS Born 5/28/12
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Re: Cycling In 2012 Board (formerly Fall/Winter 2011-2012)

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Adkelp-
It's okay to get mad and angry, we know it's trying at times. Hopefully with this support that surrounds you eventually you can find a way to get back on your feet. This journey certainly makes us stronger because we've been through so much already but we have to decide where do we go from here and that sometimes takes time. Sometimes we have to give it all we've got before we can personally say it's time to move on and we would never know what could of been if we just give up now. I promise to keep praying that God provides us some direction.
Married 13 yrs
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(2010-2012) 4 IUIs, 2 IVFs
FET cycle 2/25/2013
Beta: 95, 390, 1361
3/27 HR 140
4/10 HR 184
4/17 Released from RE
6/21 Found out we are having a BOY!
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