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Results in - out of the 4 only 2 were mature and they both fertilized. This is good news, but I am still disappointed we did not get 3 like last time. I still blame it on the change of protocol. They started me off on a higher dose and they did not monitor me for 5 days in the beginning and by that time there was 1 lead follic, 2 behind, and the rest were too small. After that I only stimmed for 2 more days and then triggered. So I believe the 2 that were not mature are the 1 that overshot the mature stage and 1 that undershot the mature stage. I think if I stayed on the lower dose in the beginning the 3 follics would have been closer together like last time - and we could have had 3 embryos to put back. I know there is nothing we can do - just extremely frustrated this cycle.
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ttc>4 yrs
4 Clomids:all BFN
2 IUI's:both BFN
1 IUI:BFP-chemical
1 IVF:Mar08 BFP-sadly lost week 36
2 IVF:Mar09 BFN
3 IVF:May09 BFP-sadly m/c week 9
4 IVF:Nov09-cancelled, no fertilization
5 IVF:IUI: Jan10 BFN
6 IVF:Mar10 BFN
7 IVF:JUL10 BFN
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Tracy,

We really cannot predict the outcome of each cycle, sometimes even identical protocols give dif results. High dose shock at the beginning of the cycle should work well in terms of getting more follicles stimulated. However, it did not seen to be your case. Anyway, in theory, the change of protocol should have been moving towards good direction.

At this point, let's hope all 2 embryos develop well and let's hope at least one of them takes the advantage of "more fertile" state of your uterine and implant tight...

Fingers and toes are all crossed for you!

Yasmina
Me, 50 DH, 40
IVF, 11/05, 19 embryos(e), no ET, OHSS
FET, 02/06, cancelled, dominant egg
FET, 04/06, 4e, BFN
FET, 06/06, 6e, DD born 02/07
FET, 05/08, 5e, DS born 01/09
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Tracy: I would be irritated too, but as Yasmina said, you cannot predict the outcome. For my two 2 IVF's I used the exact same protocol. IVF #1 had 6 follicles with only 3 eggs retrieved; IVF #2 had 12 follicles with 12 eggs retrieved. Good luck!

Yasmina: Thanks so much for your advise and input. I always appreciate your comments and I would never be offended. I know you are trying to help and that you care :) . How are you and DS doing? I remember that it was tough getting Andrew to sleep through the nights too. I was a walking zombie many days. Do you swaddle DS in a blanket? Andrew seemed to do better when I had him wrapped tightly in a blanket. He looked like a "baby burrito". Once he was about 3 months I had to stop it, as he could work his arms loose and there was really no point. Is it much more difficult with two children than one? My DH thinks that it would be difficult for me to take care of a baby with Andrew, as he requires a lot of attention and interaction.

Catharine: I'm glad to hear that your DD is letting you get more sleep. I remember that I was a different person when I was very sleep deprived. I would be thrilled to get 5 or 6 hours of sleep on straight, as it took a long time for Andrew to consistently sleep through the night. He still wakes up sometimes and calls me. I notice a difference if he did not get a good nap during the day or if he goes to bed too late.

Kat & Santa: Let's have two BFP's!!!!!!

Rhonda: How are you doing?

Take care,
Tammy
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Tracy: I would be irritated too, but as Yasmina said, you cannot predict the outcome. For my two 2 IVF's I used the exact same protocol. IVF #1 had 6 follicles with only 3 eggs retrieved; IVF #2 had 12 follicles with 12 eggs retrieved. Good luck!

Yasmina: Thanks so much for your advise and input. I always appreciate your comments and I would never be offended. I know you are trying to help and that you care :) . How are you and DS doing? I remember that it was tough getting Andrew to sleep through the nights too. I was a walking zombie many days. Do you swaddle DS in a blanket? Andrew seemed to do better when I had him wrapped tightly in a blanket. He looked like a "baby burrito". Once he was about 3 months I had to stop it, as he could work his arms loose and there was really no point. Is it much more difficult with two children than one? My DH thinks that it would be difficult for me to take care of a baby with Andrew, as he requires a lot of attention and interaction.

Catharine: I'm glad to hear that your DD is letting you get more sleep. I remember that I was a different person when I was very sleep deprived. I would be thrilled to get 5 or 6 hours of sleep on straight, as it took a long time for Andrew to consistently sleep through the night. He still wakes up sometimes and calls me. I notice a difference if he did not get a good nap during the day or if he goes to bed too late.

Kat & Santa: Let's have two BFP's!!!!!!

Rhonda: How are you doing?

Take care,
Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Hi everyone,
I made it though another crazy work week in the emergency room. Im really tired of working there night shift. Crazy crazy people coming in. I am feeling better, but still having nausea. The poop smells at the hospital is what is doing me in the most. ha ha. We have done 2 ultrasound this week and still dont know the sex. Im gonna try and not do it next week. I think its becoming an addiction. ha ha. Its really fun though to see the baby changing so much in just a week. He or she was yawning and then I saw it drinking big gulps. It really is amazing to see such a tiny thing be able to do that and be just 4 inches long. crazy!

tracy, I know its disappointing to get only two embies fertilized, but at least you got some. It could have been worse and you didn't get any. So look on the bright side. I only got two as well and I remember being so worried too, but everyone on here kept saying it only takes one, and its true. I wish you so much luck and remember God is in control.

Tammy, thanks for checking on me. Im hanging in there. Getting better everyday. I go back to the doctor next wednesday and the high risk doc the following wed. High risk doc will be doing another ultrasound to look for downs and also more blood work. I think you could handle another baby with Andrew. My son never slept though the night til he was 4!!! I am not kidding. Talk about exhausted. My daughter was 5 when he was born and she was a big help. I bet Andrew would be a good helper.

yasmina,
Hope you and DS are doing well. Post more pics soon.

Catharine,
Hope you and DD are doing great. Hope you are enjoying this special time with her.

Im getting excited now. Seems like i have been so sick and worried that i would miscarry that i wasn't showing excitement, but now that I feeling better im getting excited.

take care to all. and good wishes to all.

rhonda
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clomind-6mth follistim-june/july-cancel iui-08
IVF Retrival nov 12th transfer Nov 15th
BFN!!! Nov 26th.
BFP!! Dec 30th Natural pregnancy
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Rhonda - don't think I could ever work in a hospital. I admire you for that. I work on my computer all day - he doesn't complain, smell, or talk back - life is good (unless he crashes - which is a non good).

Kat & Santa - PMA !! PMA !!

To everyone with little ones - keep those stories and pictures coming. I need to see what "will" be to keep my spirits up.

Here's the update - the 2 little guys were 10 cell and 12 cell - and both were graded as a 4 (4 being the best at my clinic). Soooo, we are praying that they are both normal/good and at least 1 decides to make their home in my tummy!! Praying hard !! As of now just about everyone knows what was happening today - so we are have the "community TTC". Figure I am not turning down any help/support.

I will take it easy tomorrow - but this bed rest is driving me crazy. I watched my tape of shows I tape the last couple of weeks - 6 hours of TV is just WAY too much for one day !!

Take care everyone,
Tracy
Me:44,DH:45
ttc>4 yrs
4 Clomids:all BFN
2 IUI's:both BFN
1 IUI:BFP-chemical
1 IVF:Mar08 BFP-sadly lost week 36
2 IVF:Mar09 BFN
3 IVF:May09 BFP-sadly m/c week 9
4 IVF:Nov09-cancelled, no fertilization
5 IVF:IUI: Jan10 BFN
6 IVF:Mar10 BFN
7 IVF:JUL10 BFN
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Rhonda: Thanks for the advise on a 2nd child. Last night was awful with Andrew. He has started crying after I put him down at night. Last night, he threw up a little. I went back in and changed him and his bed sheet and put him back to bed. Within minutes he was crying again and I heard him gagging. Sure enough he threw up again but this time it was more........ughhhhh. I changed him again and changed his sheet. DH laid down in Andrew's room until he was asleep. Of course Andrew woke up at 1:30am calling me. I brought him to bed with us, but he was restless most of the night. This translates into me being restless too. I'm so glad to see that you have made in into the 2nd trimester.

Tracy: Great news on your top notch embies!! Good luck as you deserve it.

Yasmina: How are you and DS doing? I miss hearing from you.

Kat & Santa: Let's go for more BFP's!!!

Hello to everyone else.

Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Post by AKMom »

Hey ladies:

Does anyone recall any early pg symtoms? Like during your 2ww---I think I am going crazy... :shock:

All this weirdness with my body. I never paid attention to it b4. It seems more intense now a days with this IVF thing.

Thanks,

Kat
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DD: 11/16/91
DS: 12/03/93- 3/22/94 SIDS
DD: 11-13/95: DS: 08/13/97
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Greetings ladies :D

Sending out lots of baby dust to Kat and Santa :)

I tried to be busy during my 2ww so as not to drive myself crazy. The symptoms I had, bloating, fullness, sore boobs, were really due to the progesterone. It was after the BFP that I started feeling queezy not full on ms and it did escalate to nausea later in the first trimester, but stopped short of the feeling of having to throw-up.

Tammy-I agree with Rhonda and think you could handle 2 as well. It's amazing how time management skills evolve to accomadate more responsibilities and even more amazing how much bigger one's heart is for loving the new additions to families.

Tracy-so happy you have two embies. Sending you baby dust as well. Grade 4 fabulous :D

Rhonda-your stories always make me laugh :) keep them coming. You sound fabulous even if you are afflicted with ms.

Yasmina-I hope DS falls into a routine for you soon. Have you tried the swaddling? I found all my receiving blankets to be too small, smaller than the hospital ones [should have pinched a few of those before we left]. When we were having such a hard time getting DD on a sleep schedule to parallel ours one of the methods to soother her was to swaddle her. Sadly we had a very hard time with it. But it did soothe her when we could get it working. It soothed her to the point she could relax and fall asleep.

Okay, poor DD woke up in the middle of the night last for a feeding, but quickly went back to sleep. I have to say at this age, every look she gives just melts my heart. This week I took her to the local library for story time. And I was just amazed at her. She was so excited to see 'little people' like herself. It was very humorous. We will definitely be hitting story time again. Although she can not 'actively' participate like the toddlers, she had a blast. I think she got a wee bit over stimulated for after 15min she laid her head down and just was a little zombie till we left a few moments later. All the kids were great and it was nice to see other parents with their wee ones.

Wishing everyone all the best. Sending out extra PMA to everyone and more baby dust to Kat, Santa, and Tracy.

Cheers!
Catharine
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1 IVF Feb08 BFP singleton born Nov, '08
1 IVF Nov09 BFN
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Catharine: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm so glad to hear that you are enjoying DD. They grow up so fast. It is hard to believe that DS is 2.

Yasmina: I swaddled Andrew when he was an infant too. It really helped him to relax and sleep. A friend of mine made larger receiving blankets for me out of flannel material, as the ones you buy in the store are not big enough.

Tracy: Good luck on your 2ww!!!

Hello to Rhonda, Kat, Santa and anyone else that I may have missed.

Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
6/06:Nat. Preg.-DS 2/07; 12/08 IVF#3 fet -BFN
5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Tammy and Catharine,

I removed from here and going to post at "parenting after treatment" forum.

Kat, Santa and Tracy,

How are your 2 ww going? Any news? Any HPTs?

Rhonda,

Congrats for passing the first tri - m/c rate dropped significantly after that! I am sure you are safe now. But still, I remember how anxious nervous I was when I was pg! Try not work so hard and take good care of yourself!

Yasmina
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IVF, 11/05, 19 embryos(e), no ET, OHSS
FET, 02/06, cancelled, dominant egg
FET, 04/06, 4e, BFN
FET, 06/06, 6e, DD born 02/07
FET, 05/08, 5e, DS born 01/09
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Hi everyone,
Doing fine in the 2WW. Trying to stay stress free and visited a couple of friends this weekend. Not doing any HPTs since last time mine was negative the day before the blood test. It was hard to stay positive even though I believed with all my heart I was PG. After the blood test came back positve - I finally felt like my body finally listened to my heart. So this time I will just wait till the blood test.


I hope everyone had a great weekend and everything is going OK !!

Tracy
Me:44,DH:45
ttc>4 yrs
4 Clomids:all BFN
2 IUI's:both BFN
1 IUI:BFP-chemical
1 IVF:Mar08 BFP-sadly lost week 36
2 IVF:Mar09 BFN
3 IVF:May09 BFP-sadly m/c week 9
4 IVF:Nov09-cancelled, no fertilization
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6 IVF:Mar10 BFN
7 IVF:JUL10 BFN
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Catharine and Tammy,

Just a quick report to let you know what a peaceful night that I had so far - it's 4:25 am! DS sleeps like an angel in his new swaddle blanket, he looks like a little peanut again. He wakes up every 2~3h but goes to sleep in his crib w/o much of fusss as soon as he finishes the meal! Thank you so much, I obviously need to understand Dr. Karp (author of "the happiest baby on the block") a little better!

BTW, any tips to make him to eat more at each feeding - he does not even finish one breast which rarely holds for more than 3 h at the moment.
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IVF, 11/05, 19 embryos(e), no ET, OHSS
FET, 02/06, cancelled, dominant egg
FET, 04/06, 4e, BFN
FET, 06/06, 6e, DD born 02/07
FET, 05/08, 5e, DS born 01/09
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Spoke too early, he does not like to be swaddled anymore after 4:30 am...I don't quite remember how long I swaddled DD 2 years ago (I believe it was less than 3 weeks) and she slept long hours at night since week 7...swaddling definitely helps to calm him, though. I am now thinking about to give 2 oz of formula each night to help him sleep longer (I did that to DD but that was mostly needed to get rid of her jaundice), but then what do I do with my leaky breasts?!
Me, 50 DH, 40
IVF, 11/05, 19 embryos(e), no ET, OHSS
FET, 02/06, cancelled, dominant egg
FET, 04/06, 4e, BFN
FET, 06/06, 6e, DD born 02/07
FET, 05/08, 5e, DS born 01/09
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Post by CarolineP »

Hi Yasmina

When is your last feed before you go to bed? Is you DS getting long enough feeds during the day to take him through the night. Are you following a regular schedule, I am told it is harder to follow a routine with the 2nd child due to the constant needs of the 1st child.

At 8 weeks, I used wake up DD at 10pm and BF for 20-25 minutes on one side then wind, change nappy and make sure she was wide awake for a further 10-15 minutes on the other side. I would then settle her down at 11.00pm and she would sleep through until 7.00pm.

I followed this protocol as part of the Gina Ford 'Contented Baby' routine.

I am sorry, I do not have any other pearls of wisdom but wish you the very best of luck with trying to get a good nights sleep.

CarolineP
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IVF July 04, Sept 04, Dec 04 all -ive
Mar 05 +ive - Amelia Leah born 30/11/05
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