DONOR EGG Tmt Thread... " Egg-heads"

Jen1d · Post by **Jen1d** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:07 pm

Glad everything went well for you. Yep, it is stressful but hopefully it will be all worth it. Who is your Dr?

We might be at IM together in Jan if af behaves itself.

Try not to worry about the flights/hotel etc. I think if you ask any of the IM girls, we all stressed a bit about this the first time round but honestly its so easy and there are always plenty of places, we will help you nearer the time. Believe me, its worse than it sounds.
The pessaries are taken 1, 3 times a day. I had to take mine at 8am, 4pm and midnight.

Well done, speak soon

Love Jen x

kellym · Post by **kellym** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:10 am

Hi DE Friends!
Glad to read that everyone is going pretty well and that everyone is moving forward!

Carolyn - glad to hear that December is keeping you busy! It is good medicine!!! Hope you are healing. Thanks so much for your list of questions. They were great and I got all the answers which was fantastic!!

Jen1 - congrats on completing and dropping off your adoption application. It is great that it is moving forward!

Lucy - I am so happy to hear that your first appointment went well. It sure seemed to come around quickly! It sounds as though our 1st DE transfers and our 2ww will be pretty close to one another since my ET is scheduled for Jan 25th or 27th!

Sonia - sounds as though things are moving along well for you. Hope that your scan next week goes well!

Gill - have a fantastic holiday!!! I am so envious!

I am feeling pretty good these days. I guess my next cycle is keeping me busy so I have something to focus my energy on - well that and my crazy work schedule right now!

So, we were sent the particulars for our donor and she sounds great. She is 26 and has donated twice before. Both times the women have gotten pregnant - I hope that this means I'll be the third lucking one! We have our first appointment on Jan 21st, with ER on Jan 22nd and transfer on either the 25 or 27. I can hardly believe everything fell into place so far - could this be a good sign for us? I'd like to think so! Now the challenge is explaining to our friends and family (who don't know what we are doing) why we are travelling to Czech Republic in January - not the prime traveling time! I am sure we'll come up wtih something.

Hope everyone has a great week!

Kiwi expat · Post by **Kiwi expat** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:23 am

Hi all - was a bit quiet there for a while which probably means everyone was out enjoying themselves - hopefully!

Chriss - Good luck for er/ec today. Give it all you've got girl!

Sonia - All the best for a nice thick lining for Monday's scan.

Carolyn - A busy December always makes the time between treatments go so much faster and it's good to hear that you are going to have some fun while you're at it too!

Jen1d - You go girl - finishing your Xmas shopping AND your cards as well! I was suitably inspired to do my cards today too (well, I'll attempt to make a start as soon as I tear myself away from this board!)

Lucy - I may be having my first DE FET in 3rd week of Jan too! Providing my donor comes through... Who else will there be? - Kelly, Jen1D? It'll be so nice to make a fresh start for all of us in the new year together!

JenB - How was your wine drinking/ retail therapy weekend with your sis?
Hope your DH is feeling better. I seemed to have picked up a bit of a cold thing too but it is probably more of a result of a prolonged hang over from the weekend...

OK, so I'm not exactly setting a shining example of good health and attitude at the moment, but I felt like I needed a bit of a blow out after the emotional year I've been through. I'm going to let loose(!) this Christmas silly season, then get back on the band wagon and do the Zita West 7 day detox diet before next year. It always makes me feel really good afterwards and at least I'll feel like I'm doing something before the next cycle, instead of just waiting... and waiting...

WAITING to hear from my clinic to see if my lovely donor has come through - in which case I'm hoping to do FET in Jan. Or if it doesn't come through, then WAITING to make the big move to change clinics and start from there! (One thing this whole journey has taught me is patience!!

which is definitely something I don't have a lot of!)

A big Hi to all I've missed! Take care,

Andrea

chriss · Post by **chriss** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:49 pm

Hi all

Kelly & Andrea, sounds like you girls have your plans in order! That is wonderful!

Jen1d - You've now inspired me to get my Christmas cards done as well.

Just got results from ER yesterday. 8 eggs retrieved, 6 were mature and all 6 fertilized. YEAH. We will find out more later. Looks like Friday for ET.

Now I know I am jumping the gun here, but my DH and I have legitimate concerns. He has low sperm count, morphology, mobility, etc. That's why we do ICSI. We seem to get good fertilization results and of course we've been looking on line about things. We came across info about sperm fragmentation. We figure his is most likely high. They can't tell by looking at the sperm if it is fragmented, so when they do ICSI, they just pick the best as far as they can tell. We are finding out that fragmented sperm can fertilize eggs. It is not until after day three that it impairs the embryos. We talked with clinic about this and they said that they typically do not test sperm for fragmentation becasue the treatment is ICSI anyway. I guess we just want to know if we are wasting our time with his sperm. Should we be using DS? Do you girls know anything about this type of thing? Any insights would be appreciated! Of course us IVFers are always researching and looking for answers, that's how we found out that I have Factor V Blood clotting disorder. Anyway, my clinic just thinks we should keep trying. They say that they are doing what is best for us. Let me know what you think. thanks. -chriss

jen babes · Post by **jen babes** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:09 pm

Hi all

Chriss cant help you on sperm issue try PMing Big J ( talorjooles) or CarolynB for info on sperm tests . x x Good luck for friday x x x hoping this is the ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrea wow Jan is the month for FETs ...good news x x x

jen1 good luck with your FET in Jan x x x

kelly wow everything fits into place wow Jan is time for your BFP x x x

Lucy glad you had a ood interview. they email you all the steps as you get to them for reminding you about what to do so dont worry . As jen said dat before ET you take pessaries 8 hrs apart. I took them 7am 3pm and 11pm...good luck with bc pills are you going to acu to help ease the hormone stressload on your body ???

Sonia good luck with scan on monday hope lining is the optomin level fr your tmt x x x

carolyn hay busy bee luch love and hugs x x x

Gill have a fab holiday x x x i am so jealous x x

rebecca and Rhaloo love and hugs x x x

Anna & Matthew, BiG J & Josh love and hugs x x x

much love to everyone else i have missed x x x

had a busy 4 days with sister lovely to see her...spent loads but caught up on Christmas present buying x x
AND i am off tomorrow to Glasgow ( 4 hr drive) to drop Chritmas presents off to friends and family... Will be staying there ( at various places ) for a week/10 days time so wont be on the thread ... will miss you all but i am catching up with Glasgow mates and Christmas parties galore x x x bang goes the diet weight the same as lasst week but then i have had 3 meals ut and done some wine drinking so not too bad...

it's busy time of year with parties at work, writing Christmas cards and wrapping pressies etc ... Have put up the tree and am nearly ready with all the pressies just DH's really to get.

GP appointment last friday went well, but no real help with tests ...will be having all our test done in IM Barcelona in Jan now. So FET put back until FEB/MARCH

trying and failing to catch up with all shopping washing and ironing so think i will just send you all much love and pre- Chritmas snowy hugs and go and do some work now ( as well as pack my bags )

love to ya all
jen B
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Sonix · Post by **Sonix** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:35 pm

Hi Lucy – good to hear that all went well for you and that you’ll be ready to start very soon.

Gill – hope I’m not too late to wish you a wonderful holiday. Have fun!

Chriss – Good luck for Friday. All 6 eggs fertilized – that’s very promising! Fingers crossed that all goes perfectly to plan.

Andrea and Kelly – sounds like you’re making good progress. So pleased for you. Keep us posted.

JenB – have a fantastic time away with family and friends!

There are now quite a few of us ready to go. I’m wondering who I’ll end up joining on this treatment cycle. Just depends now on my lining holds out and when I get a date for transfer. I’ve been keeping up acu and yoga and am feeling more relaxed than last time.

A big hello to everyone I’ve missed. I’ll try and catch up with you again soon … just on my way out for an evening with some colleagues.

Sonia
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gill12 · Post by **gill12** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:48 pm

Hi Everyone
Just a quickie to say thanks for thinking of me . I am finding it realy hard to post at the moment. We have no idea what we are doing about another tmt and the adoption is still up in the air, its just so hard to be in limbo .
I hope the holiday will lift my spirt and mood!
I think of you all and check up on you regularly.
Take care ladies
Lots of love
Gill xxx

kellym · Post by **kellym** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:46 am

Chris - congrats on the 6 embies. I can relate to how you feel because we have been in that same boat - great looking embies but no pregnancy (so far). After our 6th attempt we found out that my DH had 50% sperm fragmentation. I did a ton of research and it all seemed to say that donor sperm was the way to go (although I later found out that TESA was another option), but when we went to our RE he said that ICSI reduces the changes of selecting fragmented sperm. So, in essense, I have no idea. The stuff I've read and been told is contradictory. We did try two cycles with donor sperm and it didn't seem to help so that doesn't appear to be our problem - or at least it isn't our only problem. Let me know if you find any strong evidence either way. At this point, we are debating whether we'll use donor sperm on our DE cycle.

JenB - have an awesome time in glasgow! it'll be fun seeing friends and family! i sure love this time of year.

Sonia - hope that your lining is coming along well!

Gill - sorry to hear that things are still in limbo. That is really tough. I hope that everything starts to fall into place for you very soon.

BigJ - how are things with you? I hope that AF arrives soon and that you'll be back in Kiev to pick up your frosties!!

Andrea - good luck with the donor. I hope that it comes through for you!

Carolyn - hope that you are doing well! I am thinking of you and hoping that you are enjoying this great time of year!

Hi to everyone else I missed!

Well, Christmas sure is approaching quickly. I spent the evening wrapping presents but it still feels like I have a ton left to do. Christmas cards went in the mail on Tuesday so I am feeling like I am in good shape!

Had my appointment with my RE yesterday so I got my prescriptions for my Lupron and estrace. I also got the order for my ultrasound before I leave. I am ready to go!

Hope everyone is doing really well!!!
Kel

chriss · Post by **chriss** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:19 am

Hi Kelly, thanks for reply about DH and sperm fragmentation. I know what you mean about conflicting information. What is TESA? My DH has not had fragmentation test, but we want to pursue it if this cycle is a BFN. But then what? My doctors say that ICSI is the treatment for that. How can they pick out the best sperm when they can't see DNA fragmentation? We were told to keep trying with own sperm and eggs as of now, but we are open to DE and DS. Your profile shows how much you have been through. I really feel for you. It's a tough road that we are on and not too many people understand it. It's so good that we have this forum. Take care. Extra special wishes for you Kelly. Enjoy the season. -chriss

Jen1d · Post by **Jen1d** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:13 pm

Hi girls

Bit quiet around here, must just be the time of year, its hectic eh.

Gill - Have a fab holiday, you really deserve the break---oops excuse the pun---hope there are no broken legs.

Have fun babe.

So how is everyone else. I do read the thread but am feeling a bit strange at the moment and a bit all over the place with this time of year and still no child.

Just waiting and waiting, the same old story.

Put adoption papers in a few days ago and the s/w is saying there is no resourse worker available so they will process it in the New Year. Also when she visited she said our adoption classes would be in Jan, now she is saying Jan or Feb. Its just so typical of s/w, they are just a bunch of lazy idiots and treat people as bits of paper.

Got a letter from the hospital yesterday to say that my op all went well and there are no abnormalities---knew this already. I have an appointment with my Consultant to talk about my last op. Already know that she will just say---all is fine and just have to keep trying---but i'm sick of hearing this.

Meant to be going to IM for frosties in Jan but will see how i feel.

To be honest, i'm just a bit tired and fed up seeing bfp's and they are never mine. Sorry if that sounds selfish but its the truth. I am so sick of waiting for a baby and have half given up on my frosties already, just hoping we can get the adoption through fast next year-----------but-------well its not 100% what i would want from life. I suppose i'm still grieving for my own child and i think this feeling will never go.

Sorry girls, i know its Christmas and i should be full of happiness and thankful for what i have but its just so hard.

Think of you all lots and hope your feeling ok.

got a busy weekend. I'm off work until Monday late shift, so will get to be with dh. THen have a girly party with my work colleague, so that is always a laugh and will hopefully put me in a festive mood.

Love Jen x

Lucy12 · Post by **Lucy12** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:25 pm

Jen1d Thanks for the info I saw Monica Redondo really nice and very helpful. Hope you have a good weekend with the girls and that they cheer you up. I know how you feel when everyone else gets a BFP and it never seems to be our turn. 2008 will be our year and all our dreams will come true. Jan is such a busy month and will soon be with us. Xmas next year I'm sure you will have a little one running around if the adoption people pull there finger out.

Chris Good luck with your ET. Hope all goes well

Sonia - Good luck with your lining hope its at the right stage for you.

Carolyn - sending you lots of hugs. Busy time of year which I am sure helps.

Jenbabes thanks for the info, its such a great help and puts my mind at rest. Sounds as though you are really busy. Glade you had a nice time with your sister and hope you are having good time in Glasgow.

Andrea Looks as though we will be having our ET at the same time. Are you excited / nervous etc. I'm not sure what to think.

Have now start the pill so I assume I now have to wait for IM to advise me when to start the patches

Getting late now. Hi to everyone I have missed.

Thinking of you all

Love Lucy xxxxx
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Jen1d · Post by **Jen1d** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:26 pm

Hi Lucy

Dr Retondo did my last ET, she was really nice and so fast--just what a girl needs when she is lying legs a kimbo

Glad your on the pills, these take quite a few weeks. Am here if you need any advice or info.

Well i finally had the courage to put up the Chrimbo tree--only because dh wanted to do it. Just cant face it this year. So sick of being without a child to share it with.

Got a letter from IM today with a file full of info about our cycle so far and the outcome---as if i need reminded about that at this time of the year.

Anyway lets hope 2008 brings better news for us all--or i might lose the will to live

Love Jen x

Kiwi expat · Post by **Kiwi expat** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:01 am

Jen1d - Cheer up dear!!!
But I'm so with you on your last few posts tho - I love Xmas but it is really hard as it is another reminder of another unsuccessful year gone by for us with no children to share it with...This year tho, I did go out and finally get a tree (after years of refusing to get one cos we had no-one to share it with!) It's a monster size, complete with the works- shining star, disco balls (gotta have some bling...) and all the trimmings. I didn't read the writing on the lighting box properly so we even ended up with lights that flash in time to some seedy lift music type carolls...! - So this year I've gone from being the grinch who stole Xmas to the bloody Xmas fairy...! Next thing you know, I'll be singing Xmas carols outside your doorsteps!!!

Anyway, sweetie, you WILL be a mum this time next year, one way or another with your adoption and FET options all in progress! Enjoy your night out with the girls!

Chriss - Good luck for the 2WW. That reminds me - how's the Xmas cookie baking going...!!

That might be a good way to stay relaxed and keep your mind off things in the next couple of weeks...And on top of it all - you get to eat all those cookies yourself!

JenB - I really like Glasgow! I was there a few years back for hogmany(?) in the highlands. Spent a couple of days in the city and it was very European and a lot more genteel than I thought it would be. (Had visions of scenes from Trainspotting coming to mind! - I don't quite know why?) Anyway, have a brilliant time!

Had a bit of a downer day yesterday - feeling old and was looking back over a wasted year for me. I am excited and know I'm really lucky to have a chance to use DE, but it's slowly dawning on me that I won't have a biological child. I keep telling me to just "get over myself"!!

And I will - just need to persevere... You girls are great as you keep me in check - just reading all your posts and knowing I'm not alone in this struggle...

Enough of this morose talk - We should all be going out and enjoying ourselves this silly season! A big hi to Rebecca, Kelly, Sonia, Carolyn, Lucy, BigJ and all other eggheads!

Andrea

CarolynB · Post by **CarolynB** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:38 pm

Dear Ladies

Busy week so only really time to catch up with you at the weekend.

Gill - know that you are now gone but hope that you have a fab holiday in Lapland - wish I was going too

Andrea - your tree sounds great. Waiting til next week to put ours up so it does not drop too badly.

Lucy - so glad that all went well at IM. I was knackered when I came back. Think it is all the anticipation of waiting and the releif too. Glad that you have now started the bcps. I was on them for about 3 1/2 weeks. Depends how easy you are to match! Don't worry about the short notice. We were told on Monday evening that we needed to be there on Wednesday. We booked it all on the net in two hours. It will be fine. I took my pessaries at 7am - 3pm and 11pm like JB. Did not want to stay up til midnight. The main thing is every 8 hours. You are on your way!!!

Kelly - you sound organised for Xmas and for your cycle. I did warpping last night! Cards last weekend. Tree next weekend. Hope that you can come up with a good excuse for your Czech trip in Jan

Sonia - hope that your lining is doing well. The acu etc is bound to help

JB - know that you are away. Busy girl. Glad that your gp was helpful. At least that helps. Hope that you are looking after yourself and managed to get some pressies for your dh

Jen1d - you have done so well to get all your svq done in double quick time. Sorry that you are feeling down. Know that you are frustrated with the s/w but the good news is that you have snow babies waiting for you. You can also progress the adoption in the new year so you have two good chances to get your baby. Try to enjoy Xmas as best you can. Big hugs babe

Chriss - 6 embies is great. REally hope that this will work for you and you don't need to worry about issues with your dh. But let me put what I know. My dh has fine motility and count. So we did not think that he was the problem. My issue is just because your dh has motility issues does not mean that he has fragmentation issues. Think that the two issues are unrelated. ICSI definitely helps if the issues are count and motility. Fragmentation is genetic. You can have a sperm fragmentation test run. That is what we had done before go 5. It showed over 50% fragmentation - same as Kelly. That does not automatically mean ds. IM told us that my husband should have a TESA. Direct extraction of the sperm from the testes. Sounds dreadful but my dh just had to lide down afterwards with ice and a jock strap. He was up and about the next day. That is meant to help as the sperm is taken closer to source so the fragentation rate is lower. This helped our fert rate although still was not great. We will likely try again with my dh's sperm and then look at ds so you have lots of options if you can cope emotionally and financially

Anna - so hope that you are enjoying the run up to Xmas with Matthew

Rebecca - hope that the two beanies are doing well. Do you know the sex yet?

Hugs to everyone else.

Been busy with Xmas parties/plays/drinks. I am determined to enjoy it and not get too down. Although was a bit teary in Sainsbury's when I realised that the only aisle that I did not need to go down was the nappies and baby food!

Our appointment at ARGC was really useful. They are going to give me some extra drugs to support my next cycle to help both blood flow and implantation. They will also re-run the immune tests on me. We talked a lot about my dh's sperm. They felt that TESA was a great way around the issue although it cannot solve for the problem. They felt we should try again with my dh's sperm and then look at ds. Just scared of another two cycles and another two negatives. Let alone the money we are spending. Anyhow they did tell us that we should carry on. Think that is what I wanted to hear..........

Anyway, hope that you are all enjoying the holiday season as best as we can. Slightly less busy this week which is good. Cannot take the late nights like I used to

Take care special ladies.

Lots of Love
Carolyn
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chriss · Post by **chriss** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:41 pm

Hi girls,

Andrea, I wrote back to you on over 40 thread. And yes, I do plan to bake those cookies. As it turns out, we will be having Christmas Eve at our house this year so I look forward to baking for that. And... the tree is up. Just have to do the cards. Glad that you are so spirited, it helps us all. Helps me remember to be happy, enjoy holidays, etc. Not to focus on what I do not have. So keep being happy, it rubs off on us. Sounds like a winterwonderland Christmas bonanza at your house.

Carolyn, thanks for info on DH/fragmentation. My DH had high fevers as a child and surgery at a young age due to urinary problems, we think there was damage. Don't know what causes fragmentation, but want to check it out, just in case. Good info for me to store in my brain. We'll see what happens this time around. ABout baby isle...I don't like avoiding that isle in grocery, just today I passed by the baby food and just wanted to buy some. Silly. I used to buy it when my nephew came to visit. I felt like a mom for a moment or two. Glad that RE tells you to keep going. It helps to hear it from them. Let's both try to enjoy the holidays. I used to before this whole baby quest.

Lucy, thanks for good wishes. I'm sending some to you too.

Hi Jen 1D, read your posts and wish I could say something to cheer you up. We can all relate in one way or another. THis is the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my life and the longest saga ever. I don't remeber what life was like before trying to have a baby. I know I laughed a lot. There is a light at the end of the tunnel friend. Let's both try to remember that. As someone once told me, It's just a time in your life, it's not your whole life. This too shall pass. But how much patience do we have???????

Hi Kelly, I have not found any clear cut advice on DS. You are right, there are conflicting messages out there. I am putting my faith in the higher power and in my doctors to do what's right. I am trying to stay happy throughtout this time, but can't help but cry every now and then. Sounds like you are doing well with Christmas preparations. I'm just a little behind. Sounds like your plan is in motion for your next cycle. Did you decide on using DH Sperm or DS? THinking of you.

Sonia, good to hear from you. Wishing you the best. You sound good. Stay positive.

All, I'm officially on 2ww sice Friday. They put 5 back in, all different cell numbers and quality. Just hoping for one of them to squeeze through this time around. Thanks for all being here. I appreciate all of your support and friendship. It means a lot. Thinking of you all. -chriss

DONOR EGG Tmt Thread... " Egg-heads"

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