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Discussion group for all topics related to infertility including preparation for pregnancy, causes, investigation and treatment of infertility.
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Post by erjumper »

Tammy,
Glad you finally got your long awaited AF so you can get started again. I once again got her when i'm NOT supposed to....10 days after starting BCP's. Happens every time but it's just an annoyance and not problematic.
Debra,
Great to see your yolk sac is in the right compartment in there and churning out HCG.
Gail,
Hoping for many healthy mature eggs in those growing follies.
As for me, start Lupron in 2 weeks. Feeling less excited about the start this time to say the least. After a WONDERFUL weekend with DH at which time we had a long heart to heart on where we both are, we are strangely, astonishing on the same page. After transfer of last 3 frosties...we're done! Can't do this anymore and you know, it feels GOOD. We are near completion of paperwork/FBI/criminal background checks for foster care and are totally excited about it. We went to Babies R' Us and bought a portable crib/playpen/changing table combo so we'd be ready for that phone call from Social Services as well as some diapers/bottles/etc. etc. and we're painting the nursery this weekend. If by the time my husband is old enough to adopt from China (which still makes me laugh) we still don't have a baby that is cleared for us to adopt, we'll get a baby girl from there.
Kat,
You okay?

Must run, sorry for leaving some of you out in my message but i'm keeping up and hoping all the best for all of you.
Lisa
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Post by BevT »

Hi Anna,

Just a quickie, IM in Spain charge 9,500 Euros (about £6,500) but you need to pay for fllights and hotels on top. ISIDA is I think about 5,000 Euros (from what Jules tells me) which is almost half! I did have the prices from ISIDA sent through to me but it was all in $'s and I'm not sure of the exchange rates. Obviously you have to pay flights and hotels also on top of that.

I will know more about ISIDA after the 30th March, so if you are at all interested in comparing IM to ISIDA I will be able to help out. If you Clinic are "connected" to the clinic in Cyprus, it may be useful, as they will be able to liaise with them on your behalf I would guess. Although both IM and ISIDA have English speaking staff anyway. It's not just the cost aspect that has made me want to look at ISIDA after my initial consultation, it was something that Jules said about the gene pool. Apparently, we are better suited to Ukranian gene pool than Mediterranean - not that I think that is a deal breaker, but I thought it worth checking it out, and obviously if it is cheaper, you can have more goes! At least when I have visited both clinics, I will feel that I have researched it a bit more, rather than just accepting the first and only one I have looked at.

Speak soon,
LOL Bev xxx
4 m/c
Precious daughter stillborn @ 32 weeks
2 x IVF with own eggs
Now turning to DE tmt end of May.
BFP 13th June 06
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Post by Kat »

Hi
I'm still here, just being a bit quiet. Still not really any further on with making any decisions. Been feeling very down and keep crying, scared of turning into a bitter & twisted old woman who hates anything remotely connected to children, scared that when I turn into this bitter & twisted old woman that DH will leave me. Can't quite get my head round not having the one thing I have always thought I would have and hating other people who have it (present company excepted, I suppose because I know you understand). Had a dream this morning just before I woke up about the girl at work who will have her baby when I should be having mine, woke up and cried. Feel very lonely. Understand what DH thinks but can't quite be sure I am ready to give up. Perhaps I shouldn't see it as giving up, perhaps I should see it as getting my life back. Need to pull myself together, stiff upper lip & all that.

Anna - is that with St George's House? I thought costs seemed v reasonable with the hotel & flights included and obviously takes away some of the stress if that is all arranged for you. Would be interested to know if QM have heard of them/how they rate them and what you think of them if you go there.

Miserable rainy day to add to my gloom. Sorry to be so depressing.
Kat xx
Me & DH both 41
ICSI #1 - abandoned
#2 - cancelled - DH accident
#3 - 1 transferred, bfn
#4 - 2 transferred, bfn
#5 - abandoned
#6 - no eggs at EC
#7 - DE in Barcelona - bfp but lost Dec'05
#8 - DE UK - bfn
#9 - FET Sept/Oct '07....
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poking my nose in again..
Kat,
I feel your pain sweetie..
hugs to you.

hugs,
smita
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Oh Kat, I am thinking of you and DH. It is going to be a really tough one to try and decide where you go from here. I know at this stage in my life, I just am not ready to give up yet, but we're all individuals! I totally know where you are coming from with the "getting my life back". Deciding not to go ahead with any more treatment is a huge thing, and I should imagine very hard to come to terms with. But if and when you get there, then maybe there will be some sort of relief, mixed in with the sadness. Take care of yourself, and please stay in touch with us through your tears, and let us know what you both decide.

Sending you lots of love
Bev xxx
4 m/c
Precious daughter stillborn @ 32 weeks
2 x IVF with own eggs
Now turning to DE tmt end of May.
BFP 13th June 06
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Post by DebraP »

Kat, I'm so sorry things feel so dark now.

I'm not really going to be around much for a week now as my parents have arrived and the pc is in their room.

take care
Debra.
Me: 44, DH: 31
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Dates: Aug 02 - May 06
Tries: 5 fresh + 4 frozen.
Results: 1 daughter, 2 m/c, 1 ectopic.
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Post by cmg »

Kat,

this is the first time I've looked at these boards for a good few weeks and I log in and there you are thinking my thoughts and feeling my feelings. If it's any comfort to know that someone else is going through the same thing, well here I am.

It's exactly 4 weeks since my embryos died (I've started to think of it as dying rather than "failing to thaw" as it is a bereavement and feels closer to the truth). DH and I had decided in advance that we would call it a day after that but I just don't know if I can do it. I used to be able to cope with other people having children but now I cry in cafes at the sight of mothers and babies and seeing DH with our friends' little girl the other day, drawing pictures on a menu, broke my heart. I don't know if I will ever come to terms with not having children, though I can imagine that the pain won't be this intense forever.

Instead of grieving and moving on, as I thought I was going to do, my head is spinning with all the possible options we could try - donor eggs, donor embryos, surrogacy, adoption, international adoption, fostering. I clutch at each of them as possibilities and then let them go again. I have no idea what I want to do, except that I know I've given up on the idea of another straight (own eggs) IVF cycle as at 44 I think the odds are too small. What I really want is a child of about 5 that I had back in 2001, except that I didn't. I am consumed with regrets about the way my life has turned out and I don't know when I've been so sad.

Meanwhile, DH thought we had an agreement to stop and is a bit bewildered that I'm opening up all these other options. I haven't got to the point where I think I'll get so bitter and twisted that he'll leave me (though sometimes I've been so ratty that I wouldn't blame him) but I have had moments of weighing up whether I'd rather be married to him with no kids or adopt a Chinese baby on my own, as if he's the only thing in my way. He's really trying to stay open and I'm really trying not to push, particularly as I don't even know which direction I'm pushing in. But it's hard and it inevitably puts a strain on us. We've agreed that it's too soon to make any decisions, so we're not constantly trying to work out what to do. We periodically check out where we both are with things and I'm working through it with a counsellor.

Anyway, I just wanted you to know that you're not alone. I'm sorry I can't offer you a happy ending or tell you it'll all be alright in the end. I just have to have faith that it will be ok - for both us. I'm sure DH and I can get through this somehow.

He's just telling me my dinner's ready, so I have to go. I'm off travelling for work for a couple of days so I won't be around, but will check back in at the weekend.

much love

Caroline

ps hi to everyone else.
me - 44, DH - 48

2002 ectopic (natural conception)
2004 1st IVF cancelled following brain seizure
2005 June/July 2nd IVF - negative
2005 Nov FET - postponed cos my Mum died
2006 - Feb FET planned, but neither frostie survived the thaw.
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Post by BevT »

Hi Caroline,

Good to see you post again, although I am sad to see that you have been going through such a bad time the last few weeks. Nothing I can say to make you feel any better (you said it all in your post). All I will say is that if you want to consider going for DE tmt and want someone to talk to about it, I am more than happy to chat (pm me if you like!). I feel we have a lot in common, similar age (although you are a bit younger than me), both lost our mums and both been through so much of recent years. I too wish that I had my little girl with me, but I don't! :cry:

My mum visited me again the other week, when our friends were staying with us (not sure if I have already told you this - I may be repeating myself!) and their little girl (4 yrs old) was chatting away with DH while I was laying in bed listening. It made me think of "what might have been" if Trini was still here, when my light just flicked on! Think it was mum's way of giving me a hug! I'm sure your mum is giving you a hug in her own way, she just hasn't found a way through yet to let you know.

Take care of yourself, and remember, if you want to chat about your options, we're ALL here for you.

Lots love
Bev xxx
4 m/c
Precious daughter stillborn @ 32 weeks
2 x IVF with own eggs
Now turning to DE tmt end of May.
BFP 13th June 06
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Post by teachertam »

Hello Ladies:

Kat: It was a very gloomy day here too. I'm sorry to hear that you are going through such a rough time. Hopefully we will both have better weather tomorrow. We are all here for you :) .

Caroline: You really do have options. If you have questions on international adoption, please drop me a line. We are in the process of adopting a baby girl from China. There is so much paperwork involved.

Bev: That must be so comforting to still have a connection with your Mum.
Your posts are so encouraging!

This is day 2 of my gonal-f shots. I have a headache and am very bloated. I'm ready to get these daily shots over with and proceed to EC, however, I'm not looking forward to the progesterone shots.

Regards,
Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
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Post by Kat »

Hi all

Caroline, good to hear from you and sorry to see how you are feeling. Believe me I know how bad it feels. I have posted a long post on the Life After section, won't repeat it all here to depress everyone with.

Hope eveyone else is OK, can't stop now but will pop in soon to check on you all

Lots of love
Kat xx
Me & DH both 41
ICSI #1 - abandoned
#2 - cancelled - DH accident
#3 - 1 transferred, bfn
#4 - 2 transferred, bfn
#5 - abandoned
#6 - no eggs at EC
#7 - DE in Barcelona - bfp but lost Dec'05
#8 - DE UK - bfn
#9 - FET Sept/Oct '07....
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Post by taylorjools »

Hello ladies

I just wanted to send a great big hug to Kat and to Caroline you both deserve a big pot of love and cuddles right now, you are in my prayers. The hardest thing at times like this is to make sure you keep your relationship close as the tendency is to want to curl up and retreat, for both of you. I wish you the strength and the love in your relationships to come through this. There is another side at the end of the tunnel.

with very much love

Jules
POF+autoimmune+dh antibodies,5.05 DIVF IM M/c 7.5 wks, DIVF+TESE at ISIDA - son 08/06
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Kat,
Reading your post was just this huge feeling of deja' vous. ?sp? Those same exact words have run through my head if not come out of my mouth. I wish I could tell you that everything will work out and you'll get your dream baby but we all know chances are against us. I will be 41 next month and after our 4 IVF's with 3 miscarriages (which were blamed on my "old" eggs) we thought for sure donor eggs (and donor sperm) would surely be the answer to our prayers. And once again, another miscarriage. I too had horrible bitter thoughts every time I saw a pregnant woman or anyone with a baby and I was short tempered and mean with my DH. Every time he suggested that we didn't need a baby to be happy I would feel like I couldn't breathe and that I just couldn't wake up everyday without the hope that someday it will happen. You have been at this far longer than we have and I can't imagine how those extra years would beat me emotionally. I struggled with the decision of whether to concede and "give up" or try to talk him into "just one more try". But I kept arriving at the same place. I just couldn't push him into something that in all likelihood would once again yield no results. I'm so much more calm and pleasant and fun to be with now that the stress of being pregnant has been lifted. We have settled on foster-care with the hopes of adopting the baby we get and we all know that is another gamble which may end in heartache. But for now, it's what we've got to do. I hope with all my heart that you....and Caroline you too, and everyone else for that matter will find at least a reprieve in your feelings of hopelessness and anger as I have. It may be short lived and I hope you will all remind me of it when I fall into a trench again.
Tammy,
Hope those follicles are growing exponentially and you'll have a smooth egg retrieval and transfer. But your baby girl from China is a sure thing and she will be sooo well loved and nurtured. Who knows.....maybe in a year DH and I will be doing all that paperwork also and you'll be showing off baby pictures!
Jules,
I can't believe you are over 17 weeks now. Do you have a belly yet? You should be finding out the sex in another 2 weeks or so won't you? Or do you want it to be a surprise?
DH is threatening to take laptop away now as he's feeling neglected so i've gotta run.
Hugs!
Lisa
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IVF's
#1 m/c 5 wks
#2 BFN
#3 m/c 9 wks
#4 m/c 8 wks
#5 m/c 5 wks donor eggs
#6 FET BFN
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Post by teachertam »

Hello Ladies:

It has been another rainy, gloomy day here today. I'm so glad tomorrow is Friday!

Lisa: You are right, our baby in China is a sure thing. With the IVF, the odds are definitely against us. We just wanted to try one more time since this will only be our 2nd IVF. I've read of many ladies who got pregnant on their 2nd or 3rd IVF. We still plan to adopt from China, no matter what happens. If a miracle happens and I get pregnant, we will just delay the adoption by 6 months or so.

Well, I'd better get off of here. DH is hounding me to get my tax information together, as we need to drop it off with our accountant tomorrow. I will sure have a lot of medical charges to deduct!

Regards,
Tammy
Me 46/DH 48 (12/05 & 3/06: IVF#1/#2: BFN)
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5/09& 6/09 Femara#1/#2-BFN; 7/09 IUI with femara/GF BFN
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Hi Ladies,
My heart goes out to Kat and Caroline, who are going through difficult times. I hope and pray that there are brighter times ahead.
Kat, I spoke to Julie today about St Georges, but she hadn't heard of it! Maybe I will pay them a visit and see what it's like there.It won't hurt to look will it?
Gail, how was your scan today. Hope all went well.
Tammy are you Ok? Good luck for Monday.

My news is a bit confusing today. I had an apptmt booked for Monday to discuss next cycle with the dr. This was after attempting to undergo a short cycle and having it cancelled due to a cyst and high E2 levels. I was 'happily?' waiting for AF and am on day 15. This morning I had slight spotting so I rang the clinic for some advise. They told me to come in straight away. I had a scan which showed that I have a lovely 22mm follicle on one ovary, a 6.5mm womb lining ( good for mid-cycle) and ...yes...wait for it...a whopping 35mmm cyst on my right ovary! The dr thought that this was causing the mild bleed. Anyway, the dr and nurse really didn't know what to do with me. Lots of discussion on waiting(Again!) for full blown af and then take bc pills for a month to regulate my cycle. Or if this didn't materialise into full AF to wait and see if cyst ruptured itself when Af did arrive. Or if it didn't rupture to go for a cyst aspiration(again) before commencing short protocol. Should I take provera to bring AF on? If so , when, because there is no telling how long provera takes to work 'cos I've only had it after a late AF due to down regging. All compounded by the fact that I may need tmt when the clinic is closed for Easter! AARRGGHHH! Sorry for rambling on , I have never been so frustrated. The upshot is all they could offer me was another scan on Wednesday to see what was happening! Any advise oh wise women?


New 40+ Mommies:
Alette (own eggs). Son Nov 05
Jude - twins (DE) 05
Joy - twins (DE) 05
CarolineP - Daughter Nov 05
Squew - twins 05
Ladies in waiting
Debbieed - own eggs, BFP August 05. EDD - April 06?
BigJ (Jules) - BFP 9/12/05 - EDD 15/08/06 praying hard
DPerry (Donna). DE. BFP July 05
Debra - BFP 20 Feb. Beta levels rising, scan Monday 13th March
On meds/about to start:
Diane - start meds 28th Feb.
Kat - deciding on next step
Tammy- stimming, 1st scan Monday 13th March
Gail - stimming, 2nd scan 10th March
Preparing:
Amfy - FET March/April
Bev- Off to Kiev 30th March for tmt DE
Jen - Taking time out then, next IVF in May...
Robyn - 2nd IVF cycle in March
Anna - Waiting for AF to start short protocol.
Lisa - FET May 2nd
Recent cyclers:
Hugs to Caroline, Sandra, Randa, Caz and Jo.

Have a good weekend
Bye for now
Anna x
Me 44, DP 42 ttc 3yrs
7 cancelled IVF cycles during 2005/6
ED tmt at IM June 06 BFN
ED tmt at IM July 06 BFP
Matthew born 23/3/07
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Anna, just a quickie, is it worth trying to "catch" the 22mm follicle? If DH is around tonight, it might be worth a quickie - you never know your luck! At 22mm it seems that lovely follicle just might be ready to pop. I don't know much about cysts - am I right in thinking that it may just disperse on it's own if left. I appreciate you wont want to leave it if you are going for IVF cycle, but if by some stroke of luck you did manage to catch your little 22mm beauty, and became pg, would the cyst then cause a problem?

I dare say you probably think there's not much chance of falling pg naturally - but stranger things have happened and through coincidence you have discovered there is a follicle ready and waiting. If I were you, I would have a go.

LOL Bev xxx
4 m/c
Precious daughter stillborn @ 32 weeks
2 x IVF with own eggs
Now turning to DE tmt end of May.
BFP 13th June 06
Blessed with beautiful son William born 23rd Jan 07
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