Pheonixes Rising

[Lis]

Hi Bobs I'm so sorry you've had such a rough time of it. Like Nicki said, its so nice to get some more male factor support on here! That's great your dh had more sperm on the second biopsy. Like you my dh had the tissue removed directly from the testicles. The clinic told us that the embryologist spends up to 3 hrs searching for sperm after the biopsy and if there's none found at all its highly unlikely to find it again. This was backed up by the lab results. They look at histology - if there had been evidence of sperm production he could have had another as it just may have been that the area of tissue they biopsied didn't have any but it was there, somewhere else in the testes. However the lab results showedthat he has never in fact produced sperm therefore that's why there is no point in going for another. Its so sad .......

I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling like I do with friends and their babies. Your so right, it is like being dragged to your death. Yesterday I kept thinking, "we're one day after finding out dh is sterile and I can never have his child. Where is the worst place i the world to be right now, to torture me further? Oh yes I know - a maternity ward and oh how about one where you have to walk past your ivf unit that you've just been delivered the worst news of your life in just over a week ago! - what agreat idea, lets go there!" But still I would have felt guilty if I hadn't showed. Weird huh?

Nicki, dh still has pain and can't jog yet. He's only just started driving too. His stitches are still dissloving and can rub on his underwear - ouch!! Mentally we're both stil a bit fragile to say the least. dh very clear he wants to go down the donor route but just not sure if he wants me to make an appointment just yet. Says he wants just a bit of time out.

Bobs all the luck in the world with your next icsi.

[luby]

Don't know about everywhere else, but the snows really bad here, I was going to do food shopping this morning but roads look too bad, so didn't bother. I am bored, I have nothing to do, I've done cleaning, (which didn't even need doing but did it anyway, my DP calls me monica from friends, with the cleaning thing) washing, changed beds. What can I do this aft? There isn't even anything on telly!

I am not bothered that I told my boss I wasn't planning on doing tmt until end of year becuase I know if she knew I was planning it soon - like 6 WEEKS, (oh my god) she wouldn't be pleased. Besides I am doing this in my own time, I am taking annual leave on day of ET and then 2 weeks off after that, so no-body needs to know. Then 3 months down the line, I'll hopefully be able to announce to the world I'm pregnant.

Gail - You start your drugs today don't you? Good luck.

Julie - How did the night out go? Hope you enjoyed it.?

Lola - You make me laugh with your sense of humour, your nuts girl....! Good luck for scan on 16th.

Lisa - I agree with Nicki - I think you should go to Rome first. We can't put our lives on hold, I know it makes us though, last year I didn't do anything becuase I had 2 IVF cycles and I kept saying I can't, I might be preg then, so I didn't do anything, I won't do that again. I am just going to go with the flow. Besides I think you and DH need this, get away and spend some time together.


Welcome Bobs. - Wishing you loads of lucj for your next icsi.

Hi to everyone else.

Has anyone heard from Jen - hope she's alright, I know she has a life and is probably busy but she usually posts more.

Have a great Sunday everyone.......

Lucy

[souris]

Hi guys!

Lisa, i am so sorry for you and Dh. I Agree with Nicki and the other girls, you deserve those holidays. A nice break will be great for you both, and i hope you will have loads of fun!
My Dh had has TESA/PESA as well, and was in pain for a week or so. Had the same problems that yours with the stitches!
Sending you a big hug!

Nicki, i am also on a diet! the problem is that i loose weight, then start a tmt again and put on so more! so basically i am dieting all year round (well today, it 's our 4 years together with dh, so having a nice roast and yorkshire puddings....V.good for my diet)!
What are you doing, just eating healthy?? (and sex!!?? hehe!)

Lucy, you must be so excited now! Have a good feeling for you on this cycle! For work, i would have done the same as you. You are free to change your mind! And surely your boss wont dare to ***** around if you tell her you are preggie!!??
My house is about 3 hours drive down south from Limoges, near Agen. I hope the weather will be better if you go next week, from what i have seen on tv, it has been horrible!

Bobs, I know what you mean with the maternity being in the same building as IVF. Is it like that everywhere? It is so cruel!
When I went there on the day of my ET ( I was told then that there had been no fertilisation whatsoever cause all the sperm were dead) I had to make my way back through the corridor with all the new born crying, the families waiting etc... heartbreaking.

Have a fab week end
souris
xxx

[gailp]

Lola it’s a frozen cycle this time for me, I to am getting a bit worried about my frosties I have 5 left and they had to thaw 4 last time to get 2 to put back in. Its all such a lottery isn’t it. Definitely go with the GPS, that made me laugh. Good luck with your next scan on the 16th.

Lis why is it that they always put the maternity clinics right by the IVF units. I see that so many people have agreed with you on that. When I had a stay in hospital in the summer with severe OHSS the nurses said they would push me outside in a wheelchair so I could get some nice relaxing fresh air. Yeah right !!! The outside was full of new Mums and little babies and people smoking including the Mums. Im glad you found the strength to be able to go to the Hospital I know how hard it is, I hope your friend appreciated how hard it was for you and your DH. As Nicki said F**k it go to Rome, life is to short. I like everyone else here have put off doing things because ‘I might be pregnant’ or ‘might need the money for IVF’ Go for it and enjoy it.

Welcome Bobs, hope you are able to start your ICSI in March / April time. Looking at your ticker you have certainly been through a lot over the last few years.

Nicki did you wake DH up again this morning, I woke my DH up again, he is quite happy though as once I start injecting im more likely to bite his head off than want to have sex, bless him he is so patient.

Lucy we did have snow but just light flurries nothing settled. Are you still bored or did you find something to do? I seem to have an obsession with tidying up today, strange !!! Yes I started drugs today, exciting to be starting again but so scary at the same time and desperately seeking PMA, it comes and goes.

Hi Souris how are you doing.

Hi to all the other Phoenixes hope you all had a great weekend. I’m not looking forward to work tomorrow I have had 10 days off and its going to be a shock to my system

[NickiMark]

In answer to the question's Iam just eating healthy, cant do exercise til warmer waether, I find it so hard when i get home from work and it's dark and wet and cold to go back out to do any exercise, it will come soon though!!!
No sex this morning, dh's not well.....Oh well, at least it happened y'day!!!

Lisa, are u going to rome then??

[Macca8]

Hiya ladies,

I'm not having treatment until July, so I guess that I'm in the right place.

Bobs,
Some hospitals are so insensitive. When I was 26 I miscarried at 14 weeks. I was put on a ward with new mums, abortions and me. I had to laugh at the situation otherwise I would have gone mental. I remember saying to the nurse that they have got to be kidding with this and her saying, it's the only bed we have.

Lis,
Sorry to hear what's happened. You really should take time out and have a holiday to Rome aswell as Sorrento. You might both feel better about moving forward if you've rested and had some fun.

Hi to everyone else. Hope you all had a great weekend.

Lisa (Macca) XXX

[NickiMark]

Hi Lisa Macca!!!!

Welcome!!! you sure are at the right place.......

Lv Nicola xxx

[bobs]

Hi to all u phoenix's
Thankyou all so much for welcoming me to this thread its so good to be able to talk to people who properly understand.
Macca.....I can't believe your hospital nightmare,i think i'd av wanted to punch some1! lol.When I go to my clinic i have to practically fight my way through heavily pregnant women fagging their head off.I no its each to there own but when your trying your best to be healthy + do things "the proper way" its soo frustrating to see
Gail P....My dh + I had decided to start next icsi this month or next but i think we are going to put it on hold til may/june as we are going to spain in june + I really dont know what i feel about flying when pregnant (presuming I would be PMA + all that lol)Plus we havent had a holiday 4 quite sometime with this process so we kinda think we deserve it
Hope I can still stay on this thread with you all even tho i'm not cycling yet as I would love to hear from you all now that ive started this thread
love to you all, bobs x

[NickiMark]

12th March--GAIL starting tmt
14th March--JULIE & DH- wedding Ani
15th March--RACHEL- Meeting with consultant.
16th March – Lucy going to visit mum in France
23rd March--NICKI going to Dublin, for wedding Anniv.
April--LUCY- starting tmt.
3rd April-LISA--Mamma Mia
6th April--LISA--Nursing consultation
15th-22nd April--JULIE- Holidays in Wales.
April- - JEN-- on hols in France.

17th May--JEN-- Ani
26thMay-- NICKI on hols in Ireland
May--JEN---starts tmt.
May--LISA- going to see Little Britain.
July--LISA--starting tmt.
July--JULIE-- starting 1st ICSI tmt.
8th Aug--LISA--wedding ani
8th Sept--NICKI--seeing Robbie in concert!
9th Sept--JULIE & PENNY-- seeing our Robbie in concert!
2nd Oct-- NICKI--31st birthday!!!
26/27 Oct - JULIE - Healthfarm!!
2 Dec - JULIE - Mamma Mia

[NickiMark]

Bobs, Souris and Macca? Do u have any dates to add to the list???

[NickiMark]

Where is Jen??

[Kate21]

Hi girls,

Hope you don't mind me joining this thread. DH and I are still getting our heads around our last BFN and haven't decided when to go again. We're thinking around April as we still have 3 frosties.

I went and saw Zita yesterday, told me I need to put on half a stone!! There's me trying to eat healthy and then I'm told to munch on almonds and raisins all day plus to eat a small advocado a day and have proper butter etc - none of this low fat stuff!!!

She wants me to see a nutritionalist but more importantly she wants me to see their hypnotherapist. I do agree with what she said that I need to accept the fact that I can't control this (and I am a bit of a control freak!!) and that I feel like a complete failureb as a woman because I can't conceive. You never know, perhaps once I get my head sorted I may fall pregnant naturally!!

Kate

[NickiMark]

Oh wow!!! Kate u saw Zita!!! the godess of fertility!!!!

Can I ask what weight are you??

I am 13 stone 7lbs.......Whats an ideal weight then?

Real butter huh? No flora? That doesn't make sence???

[Julie2039]

Hi Phoenixes

Just a quick one to pop in and say hi! Had a good weekend. Saturday was a good night but sooo tired! All I do is sleep these days.

Welcome to all newcomers - you're in the right place for advice and PMA. Kate you saw Zita OMG!!! Get her autograph for me will ya?! lol.

Gail and Rachel - best of luck this week!

Will do personals later/tomorrow.

Have a fab Monday !!!

Byeeee xxxxx

JEN - WHERE ARE YOU HONEY. HOPE EVERYTHING IS OK X

[rachel1]

hi girls

hope you all had a good weekend.

thanks julie! i'll let you all know how the consultation goes. fingers crossed they give me the ok to cycle in april. it seems like a lifetime since i've stuck a needle into myself!

how many years are you celebrating tomorrow? happy anniversary (in case i don't get on tomorrow)

nicki, how's your diet going? sounds like you've got a good exercising method in place!

kate, why avocado? for vitamin e? good luck with your preparation.

bobs, a nice relaxing holiday before cycling sounds like a great idea. you'll come back refreshed both mentally and physically.

macca, well done on keeping your sanity after your hospital experience. that was totally crazy. sometimes hospitals only deal with your problems on a physical level and forget about all the rest of it when it's equally important.

gail, hope your return to work wasn't too traumatic! did you survive???? how's treatment going?

souris, posted to you on another thread. sorry that you've got such difficult decisions to make but you'll work it out.

lucy, how are doing? you're right not to beat yourself up about work, it's definitely not worth it. you've got to do what's best for you in the long run. and hey you're perfectly entitled to change your mind without informing your boss, right? i know telling your boss about treatment makes it a lot easier to explain absences etc but that surely doesn't mean you've got to involve her in every decision you make. she'll be happy for you in the
end.

lis, make it to rome if you can. they don't say "see rome and die" for nothing. it's absolutely beautiful.

hi to everyone else.
take care.
rachel