The Over 40 Crowd

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GAIL

AH RIGHT - I TOOK SYNAREL NASAL SPRAY - 4 SNIFFS A DAY!!

CAZx

[taylorjools]

Hi Caz

I took steroids in my last DE cycle to help implantation and supress immune reactions. Apparently low dose steroids is a common regime (in ISIDA) where several -ves or early m/c have happened. I took (still take) methylprednisolone 4mg which is a very low dose of a steroid normally used for auto-immune diseases in much higher doses. Don't know if that is relevant atall??

hugs

bigJ

[robyn]

Hi
Gail and Caz thanks for your words. Now i pray for your embies. Caz I gather u are having ET today! You are in my thoughts. Gail I hope and pray for good news about the embies. When will you have ET?
Can i ask how many days did you stim before EC? I am trying to estimate my EC date. I will have to have my husband store his because on the 24th he has to travel for business. I just I hope i get to that stage. Have you heard of taking aspirin in low doses? is it good to start now or only at ET? Hello to everyone else!
Thanks
Robyn

[032323]

Hi Robyn

I think you will find its Gail having et today!! GOOD LUCK GAIL!!

I was stimming on last cycle for 13 days - but it can vary slightly depending on how quickly follies grow. The clinic should have told dh how long to abstain for before ec. I think its usually 3-5 days and they dont like it stored for longer so if he's away he will need to do his homework!!
GOOD LUCK!

CAZx

[lara]

Debra, I'm totally gutted for you, you've been nervous all along, like me, and I know so well what this disappointment is like - I really feel for you. There's still some hope for Friday, I'm crossing everything, the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Hugs to you, honey.

Good luck with ET Gail, and good luck Tammy and Robyn.

Anna - lovely to hear from you, fingers crossed for the right outcome. Are you taking the stuff to make AF come on?

Love lara

[032323]

THANKS JOOLS

ALTHOUGH THE REASONS THE NURSE GAVE WAS NOT THE SAME AS YOU BUT WILL WAIT TO SEE WHAT CONSULTANT SAYS - IF IT HELPS THEN BRING IT ON EH!! I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE AS I HAVE HAD THE LAST 3 ATTEMPTS ON THE SAME PROTOCOL AND MEDS - SHORT AND MENOPUR WITH SYNAREL TO DOWNREG. DEFINATELY TIME FOR A CHANGE!

CAZx

[robyn]

oops sorry about that, Gail good luck with the ET. Now the hard part of the dreaded 2ww.
Robyn

[teachertam]

Hello Ladies:

Thanks for all of the support!

Gail: Good luck with the ET. Afterwards, DH can wait on you hand and foot. I have 2 way radios that I use with my DH. When I need something, I just radio him and he comes.

Robyn: Good luck with your short protocol. I'm closer to 42 than 41, as my birthday is 4/28. I'm on day 8 of stimming meds and I think tomorrow (hopefully) will be the last day of stimming. I'm hoping for EC on Friday, St. Patick's Day.

Take care all,
Tammy

[gailbunny]

Hi Girls

Thankyou all for all your support!

After nearly busting my bladder and then having to empty it anyway cos they couldnt find cervix I have two embies to look after the third didnt make it through the night. They are two days two cell, I really dont know if thats good or bad but thats how they described them.

Robyn I had short protocol with Menopur & Orgalutron. Started 28th Feb. EC 12th Mar. So EC was day 13 if that helps. Very best of luck with program and really hope it works out for DH to be there. Dont know about Asprin I was given Paraetamol supositorys before EC. DP was told to abstain for three to four days before EC. Hope your follies do well

Tam Hope those follies are still doing their stuff, do you know when your EC is yet(St Patricks day?). Lets hope the luck of the Irish will be with you all the way.

Caz when do you see consultant. My consultant has told me that this is last try with my eggs so really hope that my embies like it in there. We have to look at donor if this doesnt work as by all accounts what I really need is everthing taking away. (Not sure I want the latter would rather cope with the problems)

Regards
Gail

[032323]

Hi Gail

I went to the hospital yesterday to pick up paperwork to get bloods done - as when i spoke to them on the phone in the morning they told me my follow up appt would not be for about 4 weeks!! So will be starting 5th attempt next month (due for march af anytime??) have to have 1 normal af before starting again. Egg collection should be 1st week in June if all goes to plan.

I cant believe they have told you this is your last attempt with your eggs - what quality/grade were your embies?? I know they have told you you have 2 day 2 cell but thats only an indication of how quickly thay are developing as at 2 days my embies were 4 cell (dont think it matters as long as they are growing) It doesnt really matter about the grade as I know people who have had successes with top grade and bottom grade - i just think generally it is supposed to be better the higher the grade. There are no hard and fast rules with this.
As I said I cant believe they are insisting you go down the donor route!! You have had 2 attempts with 2 transfers!! I have had 4 attempts with 2 transfers and at no time has the clinic given me the impression that they have given up on me - quite the opposite in fact -the nurse said to me yesterday that they havent exhausted all options yet! Im sorry but I think that as long as you are producing you should use your own - what guarantees do you have with someone elses? - purely my own opinion of course and a lot is dependant on the affordability factor. I have nothing against donor route if no other option available - but god you have only tried twice. I know that they only give us over 40s a 5% chance of pregnancy but as far as im concerned if you get to egg transfer you have as good a chance as anyone!! SO GO FOR IT GIRL!! PMA PMA I REALLY HOPE IT WORKS SO AS YOU DONT HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION!!
MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT YOUR FEET UP AND REST AS MUCH AS POSS DURING THE 2WW.

WILL BE KEEPING FINGERS CROOSED FOR YOU FOR A BFP

CAZX

PS - sorry if i went on a bit!!

[erjumper]

Hi Ladies,
So much for my positive move on with life mood these last weeks. Totally off the subject but as many of you remember about 3 months ago I caught my husband in the middle of the night on the internet with a web camera on him watching some other girl play with herself.......While he did the same. It disgusted me then but believed it was a 1 time thing and would never happen again. Turns out i'm just gullible and incredibly stupid. Caught him again last night and haven't eaten, drank, or slept in 24 hours. I just cry and hyperventilate. Managed to stop crying long enough to call an attorney and make an appointment to start divorce proceedings. So not only am I without a baby...but a husband too! Wait til the next girl he tries to deceive finds out he has no sperm. She who gets the last laugh..........
Lisa

[teachertam]

Lisa:

I'm so sorry to hear about your DH problem. I would be very upset also. Please take care of yourself You are not stupid, you love him and we always want to think the best of those we love. Try to eat something and try to sleep. Have you thought about going to conseling? Maybe he has issues with pornography. Have you thought about separating first before jumping right into a divorce. You need to get some rest so that you will think with a clear head.

Just remember, you do not have to be without a baby. You can still adopt as a single woman.

Please take care,
Tammy

[cmg]

OMG, I just popped in to see how things were going and am shocked and saddened to see people's worlds collapsing.

Firstly Debra, I'm so so sorry to hear about your scan. I was thrilled to hear about your BFP and this just seems so unfair. As Lara said, there is still Friday and miracles do happen but I don't want to peddle false hope. Take good care of yourself and get plenty of rest and support and treats.

And Lisa, I don't know what to say - what a horrible thing to discover, especially twice. I can understand how betrayed you must feel. I imagine it's like having the floor pulled out from under you and everything you thought you knew isn't solid anymore. Remember that this is HIS problem and it doesn't reflect on you (even if he tries pinning that on you, don't take it). I know divorce must seem like the only option at the moment, but, as Tammy suggested, is it worth seeking couples counselling first before giving up on the whole thing. Right now you must be in shock and that's not always the best place to make life changing decisions. Incidentally, I can really recommend a book called Passionate Marriage by David Schnarch, which is about the dynamics of long term relationships - it's about sex but it looks at marriage as a system and the way two people interact and affect each other. It throws a lot of common ideas about love and marriage out of the window but it makes a hell of a lot of sense. Changed the way I look at my relationship completely. Anyway, whatever you decide to do, I hope you have people (in real life as well as here) you can confide in and people who can give you support and hugs. Take really good care of yourself.

Hello to everyone else and good luck to those in treatment

love Caroline

[BevT]

Lisa, just popped in to catch up and was shocked to read what you have been going through. Caroline has hit it right on the head, what great advice! Tammy too, you don't have to be without your baby, there must be options out there for you - adoption or even sperm donor maybe!

Take ggod care of yourself, and as Caroline said, don't let him lay this one on you.

LOL Bev xxx

[DebraP]

Lisa, you are neither gullible nor stupid. You trusted him, believed him and wanted it to work. That's how it's supposed to be. You were doing what you believed was the best thing to do after the 1st time. Don't kick yourself.

This is his problem and I can understand why you might want to hurt him hard with a divorce suit, pl. make sure you're 100% ready for what will be an expensive, stressful and unpleasant few months, if not longer. I too would first recommend separating and setting some goals - he goes to counselling (for porn issues or otherwise), he moves out - etc. before moving straight to divorce. There's a huge question here of WHY he was prepared to do this again after the first time, when your reaction was unmistakable. Is he looking to cause a split? Did he want to get caught? Is it that his need to do this so great or is it that he values what you have so little? This will be an awful time for you, I'm so sorry.

Debra.