no fertlisation with ivf- whats the hope with isci?

hayley · Post by **hayley** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:03 am

hi folks well the closer im getting to ec im getting more worried that none of my eggs will get to the fertilastion stage

last cycle we had ivf and none of my 30 eggs fertilised so this time we are having isci - would love to hear from anyone who has gone through the same dilema. im trying to be so possitive but the closer its getting (23rd sep) im not sure how we'll cope if it doesnt work as this will be the end of the road. dh & i have unexplained infertility and dream of a miracle but after 7yrs that's all it is - a DREAM! sorry for the negative post but im getting really nervous. thanks for listening good luck to all love hayley

fiona_lk · Post by **fiona_lk** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:53 am

Oh Hayley sweetie, Now getting nervous is natural - its the un-known, but there is nothing to say it won't work, is there? So I'm not going to let a mate of mine (especially one who gave me such a wonderful recipe for treacle scones when I was so down and needed it) be so -ve! We went straight into ICSI because Les had had 2 unsuccessful IVF cycles with his ex - the 1st had 12 eggs - only 1 fertilised and the 2nd none fertilised (he can't remember how many eggs - well it was 1990-ish). And I don't need to tell you our outcome again do I. Where would we all be if we didn't have dreams - there would be nothing to hope for - but dreams can come true (and then we move onto the next dream). You know this is right, otherwise you wouldn't have started all this. Hmmmm hope I've managed to cheer you up and you don't feel like you've just had a telling off - its all meant in the nicest way, I promise. The 23rd September here we come...... Lots of love and hugs Fiona xxxx

Zed2003 · Post by **Zed2003** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:07 am

After what happened last time Hayley, it's only natural to feel the way you do - it's your heads way of trying to keep you sane in a way. So many of us prepare for the worst and find it difficult to focus the other way, I'm a bad one for that, but Fiona's right - who's to say that'll happen again - hopes and dreams are what keeps us going. Read a good ancient proverb today. How true it seems! 'If it were not for hope the heart would break'. Wishing you much luck and good wishes Zoe x

Jo Locker · Post by **Jo Locker** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:17 am

Hayley, ICSI is loads different to standadr IVF - when things are unlikely to work with IVF, or dont work with IVF, then they go to ICSI. We went straight to ICSI as my husband had only 1%-2% sperm likely to be able to fertilise an egg. They only need ONE good sperm per egg and the fertilisation rates are generally really good as the technicians are expert at spotting the likeliest candidates!! Don't worry - they only recommended ICSI cos they feel you have a much better chance, so just relax as much as you can about it - I'm sure you'll get a better outcome. Best of Luck - go with the flow now & prepare for 23rd. lots of love - Jo. XXXXXXXXX

july ann · Post by **july ann** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:54 pm

hi haley what ever stage you are at with your tmt it is alway's a huge worry. i have found it is much easier if you take one day at a time, i know this is hard but worrying will not help. i have had icsi and i have always got the eggs to fertilise so please try and keep positive as icsi has produced lot's of babies. if you post on the other side and ask i'm sure they will help. all the best with the 23 from july ann

caz1 · Post by **caz1** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:34 pm

Hi there I would reiterate what these guys have said....you will find if you look back to june that i had the same worries. My dh has no sperm and had to have the extracted with a needle and they werent great ven then. Even we got 3 eggs to fertilise and 2 were v good. Am not pg...but it does proove that they do fertilise if you look on the Cornell University website (just type in ICSI into ask jeeves / yahoo), you'll see fertilisation rates with ICSI...its very high. Take care - dont panic. Have a glass of wine it might help!! Cazxxxx

hayley · Post by **hayley** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:23 pm

thanks a million for all your advise and reassurance. im just at the panicy stage (when are we not on this rollercoaster )!! did anyone see this morning today where fern & philip had consultants on discussing new evidence with regards to ivf/isci babies? and then on the news about the new baby scans!! is it just me or is the news full of ivf at the mo? anyway, its friday night... im off to sainsburys to do some shopping (excitment) and perhaps buy a wee bottle of vino. do you think it would be ok to have a glass during injection? i think it may relax me a wee bit so what harm can that do... anyway im being to ramble!! thanks again & i'll keep you all posted love hayley

caz1 · Post by **caz1** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:32 am

I reckon its totally fine to have a glass of wine. The drugs we all take are so strong, having a drink or 2 is merely moving the decks chairs on the titanic! re the news - I've stopped looking. I think the press has just realised that IVF sells papers and they have to have some sort of story, so they dramatise it. The Daily MAil being the most shocking culprit. Think of all the bollocks they write on every other subject - why shouldnt it be the same for this subject, IGNORE it, is my motto!! The way i look at it is.....I havent got another option but ICSI to have my own child with DH, so whats the point in listening to the scare mongers, most of whom's evidence is at teh very least a bit scetchy. Phew!! What a rant! take care Cazxx

Di · Post by Di » Sat Sep 13, 2003 11:01 am

Hi Hayley, Just wanted to add my lttle bit to what everyone else has said! On our 2nd treatment I had 12 eggs (best ever for me) and we only got 1 poor embryo! So since then we've always had ICSI (this is our 9th treatment and I'm on 2ww) and we've had grade 1 embryos each time. So do take heart, ICSI does make a difference! Hope you enjoyed your shopping trip!!! And that you are feeling abit better today! Take care, Di

hayley · Post by **hayley** » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:35 pm

hi caz & di good motto caz, im going to stop reading and listening to that bullocks... as you said we have no option but isci to have a baby with our other halfs so a crowd of wild horses isnt going to stop me. i had a lovely wee night ( couple of glasses of vino) and a good chat with dh and feel alot better today. di, thanks a million for your post & well done on your treatment so far!! take it easy ... 9th time lucky for you. thanks again love hayley

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