September Hope's and Dream's

Discussion group for all topics related to infertility including preparation for pregnancy, causes, investigation and treatment of infertility.
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Post by jeck »

Mia--I am so sorry about your -ve!! Sending you lots of Hugs!!!

JackieG--Keeping you and little one in my prayers!!!

Angela--WooHoo!! That is wonderful!! Hope your 2ww speeds by!!!

Zirly--How exciting to already know its a girl!! How wonderful!!

Aunty--Not long until we finally start some real drugs!!

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!
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Post by zirly »

Good morning (from the West Coast USA). I am still stuck on bedrest which I know many of you do not do...but my doc gave strict orders..so I am listening.

I did a baseline HPT yesterday (one day after transfer)...so I know when and if I want to poas what it looks like with the hcg trigger still in me. I used a First Response EArly and there was a very very very light line. So the trigger is almost out of me and should I get a positive down the road...I can trust it.

I don't know if I am going to poas. I am an addict if truth be told. In the past...I have been known to blow through as many as 15 sticks during a cycle :( I know...obsessed!

Angela: Congrats on your two little ones being back where they belong.

I hope you are all having a great day.

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Good Afternoon/Evening Ladies :)

Its taken me all the guts of the day to get a posting here. I keep opeining up all the messages then closing them again without replying.
Sorry Ladies, but im afraid i have a very evil confesion to make :oops: i peed on an evil stick - i know i shouldnt have, i dont even know why i did, as i was peeing on it all i cud hear was u ladies shouting at me! Well as u guessed it was a no no - Im sorry if ive let u all down - i feel like shit now - ive had a horrible morning/afternoon and i feel gulity cos we are all in this together and i was tempted and the temptation took over. Im so ashamed of myself, and im bloody annoyed at myself too. I havent told my DH cos i dont want to dampen his PMA - but i think mine has hit rock bottom now - but im smiling & laffing with him, he deserves that much from me!

You can say 'i told u so' i deserve it, u can say im stupid - i deserve that too - Im worried because my embies had only divided into 2 (on a 2 day transfer) (no excuse i know) but everyone here talks of 4, 6 and 8 cell divides - what if mine havent divided further - and also everyone talks of the clinic scanning u ladies as ur embies go n -mine didnt, what if they didnt bother cos they didnt think it was worth it - my boobies were really quite sore the last week or so, but today i have hardley anything, ive felt sick for a good bit of the day, but i think thats cos i did the test ......

I just need to know if anyone thinks that i was too early in doing the test (8 days after ET) I want the truth no matter how much it will hurt, i want u all to be honest with me.

Has anyone had 2 cell embies and had a BFP????

Sorry to be a pain Ladies, i really hate being me at the moment!

Becky Xxxx

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Post by zirly »

Becky...we are totally here for you and I woud certainly not blame you as I will likely be peeing every day (seriously). I am a poas addict.

Ok..here is the scoop and this is the honest truth...not to just make you feel better.

You had a day two transfer, right? And it has been eight days from transfer right? That makes you like 10 days post ovulation. That is usually about 4 days away from when a woman who was trying anturally would expect to get her period. (I am heading somehwere I promise).

Most women do not get a positive pregnancy test til AFTER they miss their period (15 dpo, or in your case that would be 13dp2dt). Even then...it is a very very small amount of HCG (could be as low as 10 maybe even 5).

Most pregnancy tests do not detect HCG until about 25. Some are more sensitive and some are less. Internet cheepies are notorious for being less sensitive. You can find out the sensitivity of which HPT you used by going to peeonastick.com This site will tell you what you need to know there.

Now...assuming your baby is attached and growing fine...The HCG doubles every two days. Therefore...They put it in you day 2. Let's say it attached day 2 days after (which is unlikely...most likely to attach 3-4 days later cause you had an early transfer). And let's say the smallest amount of HCG started to produce (in the earliest scenerio) 1-2 days after that. You are now at 4dp2dt. Let's say it started with a 2. Then two days later (now 6dp2dt) It is a 4. And finally...here we are today...8dp2dt...you could only have a reading of an 8 which would be TOTALLY NORMAL and nearly IMPOSSIBLE to detect on ANY HPT. Let's even go crazy and double that number. Let's say you are a quick riser. And you have an HCG of 16...if you look at that sight...most do not detect until at least 25!!

So...the truth is...you tested too early. You just did.

Now here is another thing to consider. You had a very early transfer (day 2). I know that my transfer...which was day 5 (a blast) had just started hatching. What that means is it would not have even started to grab onto me in a natural scenerio until about 6 to 7 dpo...or in your case...with only 2 cells...your probably didn't even start to attached til 3, maybe even 4 days after transfer! Which would make it truly IMPOSSIBLE for an HPT to pick anything up right now.

I am a bonified poas expert. Trust me. You have nothing to worry about yet. I would tell you if you did. I am an honest person.

Go enjoy your Saturday night!

Keep positive...your body does not need any negativity right now.

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Post by AuntyPebbles »

Awww Becky we arnt mad at you at all... the only reason we say stay away from them is like Zirly says they are so unreliable..yes if you get a +ive then its always +ive (except for HCG shot) but -ive isnt always so...and that can really knock your pma we will be here to support you if you want to do one every day ... also like zirly says you had a two day transfer with 2 cell embies
2d2ce 2 day 2 cell embies ok
day 3 4 cell
day 4 8 cell
day 5 16 cell....heading to blast...should implant soon...
days 6-7 implanting...day 8 starting to produce HCG
there is no way it would show up on a HPT...see

let us know what it says tomorrow... :D

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Post by Moritsha »

Oh Mia, I'm really sorry to hear your news. Take care Paula x
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Hi Ladies,

First of all - Zirly - wow u are a mind full of information lol - (Surley u wont be peeing EVERY day lol) i just felt so deflated once i saw that one line, and then everything started going thru my mind, but i went onto that site (peeonastick) its brilliant :) Anyone reading this - go to that site - peeonastick.com, tell u everything u need to know about the evil stick lol. So my HCG levels wouldnt be high enuff to detect yet - but maybe in a few days the First Response says it detects a 12.5. Im not going to do the other one again tomorrow, to be honest with u, i dont think im going to do it again (i say that now, but i know what im like lol) i dont think i could honestly get thru another day like today again. I really hope im a ++ cos next Friday is going to be hell otherwise. Ive booked a day off work, cos either way i wont be able to consentrate there. So Zirly hun, thanks for ur posting and for being honest - im so glad i got that all off my chest, good luck for ur BFP - an no peeing 2moro - its way too early LOL.

Aunty: Thank u hun for ur kind words, i really felt that i had let u all down, and i understand more now about the wee embies. I was thinking that because they had only divided into 2 that maybe they hadnt got the strength to grow any further. I didnt look upon it as they just a day behind everyone else - typical! Dam i can be a silly ole cow sometimes lol.
So thank u both for being there when i needed u, and also Jackie in ur email ur words were so kind also. xxxxxxxx (If u refer to the posting - to all u lovely ladies in my life - ur them)

Well i told my DH i had done the testa, i couldnt hide it no more, i was so upset that he knew summit was up and 'got it out of me' he sat there and his exact words were (after a sigh and a smile) .......
You really are something else Beck - i knew u wouldnt wait untill ur test date, but i didnt think u wud have done one so early.... He knelt down in front of me, took my face in his hands and said, its too early to tell yet, ur not to give up hope on our wee 'Mo & Jo' (our embie names lol) they need u to be strong, which made me worse and tears came everywhere lol, i then proceded to fall asleep in his arms and once i woke i felt a whole lot better :D mind u - he had a dead arm but said he cud live with it :wink:

So on that note ladies, im signing out for the evening, im really tired and my eyes are burning (from all the crying) i hope i wake refreshed tomorrow - THANK YOU to all the lovely ladies in my life - u really are special :D

Becky Xxxx

1 IVF=BFN 2 IVF=BFN 3 IVF=BFP :) m/c @ 8 wks :( 4 IVF=BFN
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Post by angelamw »

Morning Girls

Becky, I really feel for you. I know that I will be tempted with a HPT, in fact we have got a spare one in the cupbard that got left over from the IUI. It is going to be so hard not doing it but I think the girls on here are right and we should wait to test date- Mine is 25th which is wonderful as it is our day off work so whichever way I won't be trying to hide my emotions from customers.

Zirly - Thank you for your explanation. My embrios (Jack & Jill DH has called them) were 4 cells and a friend was asking last night how quickly they grow.

To everyone else I hope you all have a good day. I am going out for the day tonight and we are staying in a hotel tonight which will be nice.

See you all soon
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Mia, Im so sorry. Next will be your time. God Bless

Jackie, Im praying hard ur level increase.

Luv, Jemma
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Post by souris »

Hello girlies!

Becky, dont blame yourself, we all know how hard the 2ww are and how tempted the HTP are.
Keep the PMA going, the girls are right, it was too early!

I come to say goodbye until wednesday! We are leaving this afternoon to be close to the hospital tomorrow morning. We wont come back until wednesday afternoon, HOPEFULLY with some lil' ones inside my tummy!
I wont be able to connect to tell you how EC and dh Tesa went, but I am sure all be fine.

love to all xxx
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09/ 06 ICSI. BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks.04/07 ? ICSI -tive
04/08 ICSI BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks
Feb 09 6th ICSI has started! neg
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Rose good luck for tomorrow, baby dust to you!

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09/ 06 ICSI. BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks.04/07 ? ICSI -tive
04/08 ICSI BFP!!! M/C at 12 weeks
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Post by nimble »

hi becky hun - i've just been reading yr post and i'm virtually in tears !! Your DH is so so right and so are the girls here.... I think it was good to tell him otherwise you wld have worried him so much - we may smile on the outside but termoil inside still somehow shows..
How are you this morning - I was so worried about you yesterday after our email and when I woke up this morning, you were in my thoughts....

Zirly - thank you so much for the detailed explanation - wow things you just don't know about eh! :shock:

Souris - I know that you won't see this know but good luck with your EC tomorrow, I'll be thinking of you and time you get back, hopefully I will be having mine!!

Aunty - how are you today - not long now before you start... :D

Rose - fingers crossed for a BFP for you tomorrow... :D :D

Well last scan day for me tomorrow - I do sense that things are happening - feels like a war going on inside of me today - which I know is a good sign. The way I think of it, is that they are jostling around to be the biggest one of them all and the first out!!! :) :) :)

JackieG - how are your levels - hoping that they are rising by the day.

Sending lots of PMA to you all, bigs hugs
Jackie xx
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Good Morning Lovely Ladies :)

What a day yesterday!!! Today im absoutley shattered already (its only 12.20pm) im just up out of bed. I had the luxury of breakfast in bed from DH, and i finished off my book 'The Stork Club' :D My chin has broken out in spots, and im so hot an sweaty (Yuk!)my boobies are no longer sore (?) but - im relaxed and picking up on my PMA again!

Angela: u are right not to do the test, take it from me, its not worth it, i never want to go thru a day like yesterday again. Good luck for the 25th - arghhh - ive just realised, i will be away on the 25th - my brother gets married on 23rd, so we are sailing over to Wales on 22nd, but will be home late on 25th - i will log in as soon as i get home to hear ur good news :D

Souris: I know u cant read this at the moment - ur in some posh hotel living it up i hope lol, but i wish u well for EC and look fwd to hearing how well ur embies are snuggling in on Wednesday :D

Rose: Only one more sleep hun - wooooo hooooo, i bet ur so excited, Good Luck for tomorrow - BFP's all round :D

Jackie - Thanks for ur message, u'll be pleased to know that im better today - its hard, but i suppose everyone gets their days - mine seem to be weeks tho lately lol. Roll on Friday - im so excited now. How are the headaches? Good Luck with ur scan, im sure u have loads of follies ready and ripe - well done u :D - thanks hun xxxx :D

Aunty: How are u today? I hope all is well and that ur progressing nicely :wink:

JackieG: How are u today hun? Any news yet, are ur levels rising? I hope so, u so deserve this xx

Ems: Hello :) How are u feeling today - only 5 more sleeps for us, are u keeping up ur PMA??? (Im a fine one to talk mind lol) but i am getting there again - i feel different today :D

I think thats it for now ladies, im soooo tired, think i'll prob collapse in a heap after my dinner lol.
Sending u all hugzzzz and baby dust :)


Becky Xxxx

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Souris we will be thinking of you wishing you lots of healthy little ones cant wait to hear your news...in our prayers...big hug

Jemima how you feeling...good to see you :D when do you start your next stage?... :D

Angela oo night in a hotel sounds great have a good night tonight

welsh i hope your feeling better today we are all praying hard for your BFP..

Jackie hi i know you pop in when you can hope the wedding went great and the weather held up nice for you all... we miss you see you soon.

im out today FIL's birthday so im going over to see him... not long now for me and Jeck (its taken forever hasnt it Jeck)..love to all Debz
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Hi Ladies
Just a quickie...
Becky - hope you are feeling better today. I haven't given in to the HPT yet - haven't allowed myself to even buy one in readiness. I am too scared to even do one on Fri!!! We are all with you hun. Not long to wait now.

I have had the worst headache since yesterday. Had a busy weekend tho, out for dinner last night with some friends, then out for sunday roast today with DH and to the village fete where I used to live, my mum and dad were running the hoopla and tincan alley stalls so thought we'd show our support! DH tried to win me a coconut but didn't have much luck :( Its been BEAUTIFUL weather today, I can't believe its September.

So, my PMA is up at the moment but I am sure later into the week I will start to get nervous. I can't believe there's only 5 days to go!

Have a great rest of weekend ladies.

Ems xx
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3rd IVF March 10 - BFP on 30.3.10! Iris Josephine born 1.12.10
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