October buddies??

[thook]

Gina- that's great news on your twins... you must be so excited and probably still in shock. Enjoy this moment and take care of yourself and those two little babies in there.

Tasha

[cowgirlclass]

Big congrats Gina I was convinced I had twins and didn't and there have been several twin notifications today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Lord works in mysterious ways! I am so happy for you!!!!


Take care of yourself and babies!
Cowgirl

[jenn]

I'm back from the Dr. and although I promised myself I wouldn't...I cried. I HATE to cry in front of people. I was doing great this week and thought I was over it and being back in that office just brought it back!
Anyway- she said lots of positive things like she hasn't given up hope, I'm young, I produced eggs, they fertilized, they divided...
I know all that is good but I don't see many people on this board that had BFP's on 2nd try. It seems like I didn't get it this time why should I believe it will happen next time. That is why I will take a couple months off. I need to get some PMA!!
I am going to probably try again in Jan/Feb. I will call with AF in Jan. which would be at the end of the month.

This is her plan to get me more eggs:
1. no BCP's next time,
2. Lupron microdose. From what I understand I will be on Lupron at the same time as stimms?? Just small doses. Last cycle I took One Big shot of lupron after the BCP's. Has anyone else done it this way? She said I start Lupron on day 2 and stimms on day 3. Last time I did BCP's then on day 21- Lupron shot and called with AF to start stimms. It doesn't sound like I will have that 2nd AF this time.

She thinks this will get me more eggs since I only had 4 and only 2 fert. then only 1- 8 cell, and one 6 cell to transfer. I did a 3 day transfer and I meant to ask her about a 5 day. What do ya'll think? Is 5 day better?

I am supposed to go to play Bunco with the girls tonight but 4 are pregnant and I just don't think I can deal with that tonight. I am going to call and cancel going. Am I being stupid about it? If it was you guys I wouldn't mind because I'm happy that you are pregnant!
Thanks for listening(or reading!) girls. Hope everyone is doing well. Sorry this was all about me. Bye!

[thook]

Jenn- well crying is good... it's a way to get all of those emotions out (this way you can start over again). Waiting until Jan/Feb is probably good... it gives your body & mind time to heal. In regards to the Lupron Shots. I actually started taking them when I was on BCP's and continued to take them until I had my EC. They had me on a small dosage 10 units in the beginning and then switched to 5 units towards the end. In regards to a day 3 and a day 5 transfer I have heard both are good... I did a day 5 transfer!

Good luck to you...

Tasha

[lori]

Jenn, I would skip Bunko.... no need to be around 4 pg girls. It's okay not to go - and don't feel bad about it! For me, it just depends on my state at any given time if I can take it. Re: your protocol, I think the changes sound good. Sometimes they think BCP might over supress you. My last 2 times, I started Lupron a week after I ovulated, then had AF a week later of which on day 2, I started Repronex stim (and kept taking Lupron the whole time) - I was never on BCP. A change of protocol should be seen as a positive move... also even if you did the same way as last time, your body can respond differently - every cycle is different. I did the same protocol twice and once I had 8 eggs and the next 11. Just trust your RE. Don't give up hope! About 2nd times - I did get PG on my 2nd IVF although I later had a m/c, but it did work! I will also be starting up probably in January time frame so I'll be looking for you then. In the mean time, I'm starting a Mind/Body program to help me deal with stress and emotions with infertility. They actually encourage us not to attend things with pg friends and/or baby events! My RE doesn't want me to do another IVF without completing this first. By the way, I cried all the time in my RE's office. It is an emotional place! They are used to it and it's normal. Wishing you all the best!

Lori

[Believebaby]

Jenn - Hang in there. I'm so sorry you are having a hard time right now. If it makes you feel any better, I felt the same way you did. Trying a second time was the LAST thing I wanted to do but it definitely paid off for me. The 1st try wasn't nearly as rough on me as the 2nd try so when I had a really difficult time physically with the 2nd round, I just felt like it wasn't going to happen. Low and behold, I got that BFP and was so glad that I went for it. I know that your time will come and you have to take care of you. Take the time you need to gain the strength you need and your body will let you know when you are ready. I'm praying for you and hoping you feel better soon. It IS going to happen for you!!!

Nance and Gina - Congratulations on twins!!!! That is so exciting (and a little scary) but how special to get 2 little blessings instead of just 1. Keep us posted on your progress, hope you are feeling great.

Charity - Was so good to see your post. I pray you find the answers you are looking for and can approach the next time with a strong and healthy positive attitude. Going through all this takes it's toll and you have to do what you feel is the right thing. I think the new doc sounds great and change is good. Your answers will come to you in time. Please keep us posted, I wish you the best.

Racheal - Glad you got to see that little heartbeat, you must be so relieved. I go on Weds. and can't wait. I think it will finally feel real once I get to that point. Your story is so inspirational to all of us and proves you were meant to be a mommy again. Best wishes!

Jen1d - every person is different but it just takes one so try to think positive. Racheal is a perfect example of that! Try to take it easy and listen to your body. If you feel good and want to do light activity, you should. If you feel better laying around, do that. Trust that you are doing everything in your power and the rest is up to fate. Good luck on the 2ww, I hope it goes fast for you! I'm saying lots of prayers for you.

Hope everyone else is doing good!

[BecP]

Well Nance and Gina - congrats on the twins. We all know there's a chance there could be two in there, but I bet it's a shock when you actually see them.

Jenn- I know lots of people who've succeeded on their 2nd IVF - me being one of them!!! Although I did technically get pregnant on my first IVF, my beta numbers were so low, they fell a couple of days later, so I don't really count it as a success. But this time round I can definitely say I'm pregnant! Don't give up! One of my best friends also found out she is pregnant from her second IVF a couple of weeks ago. So I'll all for attempt number two!!!

Charity - good to hear from you. Glad you have a plan. We changed clinic between attempt one and two and so far it seems to have paid off. I also took 4 weeks off work. I know a lot of people can't do that, but I had an understanding boss. I really think the time out helped. If you could wangle the same it wouldn't matter where the clinic was.

Baby dust to all. Am so impatient for my first scan. It's not for another week and a half. Am going mad!!

x

[Smita]

Jenn,
Pokey nose here...
Just popping into say that I was on Lupron and stimms at the same time..
It is called a 'Flare protocol' I believe and it does lead to more follies if they believe we produce fewer eggs..
Wishing you loads of Luck.

smita

[fulloffaith]

Hey ladies!
I just popped back on and wow lots of good news still! Congrats on the BFP's and twins!!

My clinic and I have been talking about my hydrosalphinx...how one minute it was there and then the next it didn't show up anymore. It got me thinking what if my tube is no longer blocked like they thought and maybe it leaked out into my uterus and that is why I got my BFN. He wants to do a HSG to see what's going on with my remaining tube before we do any other cycle. So I am going in next Friday. Not looking forward to this test, already had 1 years ago and it was NOT fun. But I really am curious what is going on in there so I'll take the pain!

So hopefully I can get some answers and maybe have a better plan for next time! Hey maybe my tube is open and I can get pregnant naturally! Stranger things have happened!! HAHA

Bye my October buds...thanks for praying and loving on me thru all of this!
HUGS,
Allison

[Charity]

I thank you all for your kind words and encouragement. Again, I'm sorry to have dumped on you all. I just had been building up to this appointment and was getting so overwhelmed with all the possibilities that I felt like I was completely hanging out there on my own without medical attention or an expert opinion to voice my concerns with....I also have a tendency to deal with fear and sadness with anger. It's stronger and doesn't show weakness. Something that's not easy for me to express. Always got to keep that strong, in control exterior and not leave yourself open to be hurt further. Anyway, I'm better now...Thanks to you all...

I did have a nice long talk with my RE...We talked for over 2 hours. And, yes...I even cried a little too...I didn't want to, either, but couldn't hold back...There was a lot to discuss, & he was really receptive to my concerns, my frustration, ideas & my needs if we are pursuing any future treatment. After all was said and done, and talking to my husband, we've decided to do one more cycle in January. We're not going to down reg this time, but I will be on the BCP just so my schedule is on time with the beginning of their January cycle. He's going to use a completely different protocol with different approach to try to get us as many mature, quality eggs as possible. He said that down regging doesn't work with all women's pituitary's. Sometimes the blocking is too good, and when you stop suppressing the FSH & LH, the pituitary doesn't kick back in like it's supposed to. He talked about using the flare as a possibility or this other without any suppression, and I opted for the later. He was obviously much more technical, but I probably couldn't explain it accurately and besides it would bore you to death.

Anyway, we're not going to use ICSI, either. The doc explained that he had a patient whose eggs didn't respond to being compromised with the needle. She used ICSI on her first two cycles with very little fertilization and no pregnancies, and the third cycle he encouraged no ICSI, and she had fertilization which resulted in a live birth from that cycle. So, it may be that my eggs are fussy..? He said himself that it didn't sound very scientific, and rational, but he believes that some eggs are just more sensitive than others. Talking to my husband, though, we're not going to go with a donor to find out, if we have the same issue, if it's him or me or as a back-up plan. So, it's one of our own, or none at all. If we don't get fertilization, we're going to agree to never know if it's an egg issue or sperm issue and live with the results. We've decided to let it remain a mystery. He feels really strong about not having a baby through donor sperm, so I'm going to have to respect that one request, as he's compromised so much for me. Feels good to come to a point of peace, and to have some direction and guidance. Not just with my decision, but with the doctor and with my husband. It felt good to compromise for him, too.

Anyway, I just wanted to thank you all, and I'll keep popping in to see how you are all doing...The best of luck, and I thank you all for being here to lean on in the bad times and I hope I helped at least one of you when times got a little tough for you too...All my best. Take care...Later Gators!!

[Jen J]

fulloffaith-I know the HSG sucks (I had one too and you're right-NOT FUN). But maybe you will get pregnant naturally. If I remember right, odds of natural pregnancy increase after the HSG, something about clearing out the tubes or something. Good luck! Wouldn't that be something!

Gina-Congrats on your twins! That is such great news-how exciting!!

Jenn-I always swear I am not going to get emotional, and am only going to focus on the facts and then I get in front of the person, be it doctor, boss, or some other official and as soon as I open my mouth, I start crying! And then I feel silly! But you shouldn't-this is such an emotional journey and you've still got all those hormones left in your body and you have every right to get it out!! It sometimes even makes you feel better. Also, I was on Lupron the whole time I was stimming this time-I wondered about this too. I took a very small amount right before bed every night. I wish you the very best for you next cycle. (PS-I too would avoid the Bunco group without guilt-sometimes it's just too much.)

Charity-I loved reading your post and seeing your strength and determination shine through. I don't know what the right path is for you but I know that you will make the right decision. Your determination is such a great example and I know that you will make your dreams come through. You are so positive and strong and determined. I wish you the very best in your journey.


As for me, I have not had a very good day today. I woke up and realized that I had had some light spotting during the night. It has stopped but the clinic has put me on bed rest until Monday when I will have my next HCG. They don't seem too concerned as I am not bleeding, the spotting was very light and it has stopped. I am worried though as I have had cramping off and on since ET and they started to fade but last night and today they have been a bit more prevalent (maybe my imagination?). Anyway, I am very nervous and it is going to be a long weekend.

Hope everyone else is doing well.

[Jen J]

Charity-We were posting at the same time! I am glad that you had some questions answered and that you have a new plan. It sounds like a very productive meeting and appointment. The best thing is that you and your husband are in such agreement. It is so important to be on the same page. I wish you the very best for Jan and will be looking for your BFP then! In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the holidays and get to spend some quality time with your DH.

[Jen1d]

Hi girls

So much going on.
First i just wanted to say thanks for your words of encouragement. I was feeling quite low about my embies (grade 4 & 5) but since reading all the stories i know bfp's can develop from any size embies its just the sticking thats the problem so i was reassured.
Well i'm fine and have not started the panicking about going to the loo yet, that usually happens after 7 days. Have not been feeling anything but am not bothered about this as my last 2 cycles were both completely different and still got a bfn. Am getting a bit bored with lounging around though, there is only so much daytime tv i can watch .
My test date is on the 18th----seems years away.

Allison - I also had the dreaded hydro in my left tube and during my first two ivf's it came and went but during the 2nd cycle it came and stayed We always wondered if that was the reason for our bfn as the fluid can be toxic to the embies. Anyway i went to hospital to have the left tube removed before our 3 cycle and they discovered a small amount in my right tube so removed this to as it would just have got worse. I'm now glad they did and although this doesn't garantee a bfp i know that with the hydro being removed we have a better chance. My embies have enough work to do, they don't need the hydro in there way too.
I also had a tough time during my HSG but just remember we are all tough on this site, grit your teeth and think of your little bundle of joy, it will be worth it. Will keep everything crossed that those tubes from hell are all clear

Jen J - I was blubbering in the hospital and i'm like you, don't want others to see me. But hey this is an emotional journey, right, so blubber away, its the other persons issue if they don't like it.

Gina - Congrats on the twins, you are a lucky girls, enjoy it

Have a good weekend girls

Love Jen x

[jenn]

Thank you, thank you, thank you everyone for being so supportive! I really needed it! Glad to see I'm not the only blubbering one! Like some of you said it is the "flare protocol". She is doing it to get more eggs. Hopefully it works! Dh and I went to dinner instead of Bunco and it was definately needed.

Congrats Gina!! Double trouble woo hoo!!

JenJ- I'm praying for you. I hope everything is ok, I'm sure it will be. I know it will be a long weekend but hang in there! A friend of mine spotted through her whole first trimester and everything was ok!

Charity- looks like you got some of that fight back that we know and love!! I'm glad you have a plan you feel good about. I will be looking for your updates in Jan. and keeping fingers crossed for your BFP!

Fulloffaith- yep, the HSG does suck! But it is worth it if it helps!! good luck!

Hope everyone has a great weekend. Take care!

[jeck]

October BFP's!!!!
June/July Babies
thook!!! +ve Oct 3rd!!
1st Scan Oct 20th!!! Went Great!!
cowgirlclass!!!+ve Oct 10th!!
Beta*412* 12dp3dt
Beta*844* 14dp3dt
1st Scan Oct 31st!!! Went Great!!
gina.s!!! +ve Oct 12th!!
1st Scan Nov 2nd!!! Went Great! Twins
brit10!!! +ve Oct 16th!! ??
Beta*246* 7dp5dt
Beta*1400* 12dp5dt
Beta*2700* 15dp5dt
1st Scan Nov 13th!!!
cmoscar!!! +ve Oct 17th!!
Beta*86* 13dp2dt
1st Scan Nov 2nd!!! Went Great!!
txpacotaco!!! +ve Oct 18th!!
Beta*75* 11dp3dt?
Beta*1782* 18dp3dt?
Believebaby!!! +ve Oct 19th!!
Beta*132* 12dp3dt
Beta*1365* 16dp3dt
1st Scan Oct 30th!!! Went Great!!
2nd Scan Nov 8th!!!
JenJ!!! +ve Oct 23rd!!
Beta*245* 12dp3dt
Beta*3371* 19dp3dt
1st Scan Nov 8th!!!
rparsons!!! +ve Oct 23rd!!
Beta*67* 8dp5dt
Nance!!! +ve Oct 23rd!!
Beta*79.8* 8dp5dt
Beta*242* 11dp5dt
Beta*1273* 15dp5dt
1st Scan Nov 2nd!!! Went Great!! Twins
Ophee!!! +ve Oct 23rd!!
Beta*918* 13dp3dt
BecP!!! +ve Oct 25th!!
Beta*210* 12dp2dt
jstrandlund!!! +ve Oct 30th!!
Beta*64* 9dp5dt
xrayem!!! +ve Oct 31st!!
Beta*481* 13dp3dt

2WW
Jen1d....ET Nov 2nd....Testing Nov 18th.....

Egg Collection/Egg Transfer

Stimming

Downregging/FET
Dory....Oct 17th.....Lupron...FET Cycle ET Nov 17th

New Cycle
cheekymonkey Dec. cycle!!!
Aunty Jan. cycle?!?!?!
Jenn Jan/Feb cycle?!?!?!
Charity Jan. cycle!!!
Lori Jan. cycle?!?!?!

In Our Prayers!
Lori...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
Haylie...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
Charity...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
Malinka...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
Jenn...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
ampmed1...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
Jeck...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
fulloffaith...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!
lisa@bellasales...Keeping you in our thoughts & prayers!