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Ss woohoo fantastic and brilliant number of follies sending cheers to your ovies ...perfect even with your delay we are back on the same schedual we both go tuesday for our first follie count...me well im in a lot of pain with my ovies already im thinking to be honest cysts but still praying im wrong and its tons of follies popping out...a girl can dream....LOL...ooo im excited for us


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Thank u Aunty i am sorry u are in pain my ovy's hurts specially if i sneeze... but it is the follies looks like so positive thinking girl!!

That is good im sight.. :)

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Good morning guys,

I've had quite an adventure these past few days. If you remember, my ovaries are a bit slow to react. Well, after my first u/s on Thursday, they upped my meds again to 300 units of Puregon. Long story short, I checked my Pen closely and found that I was able to inject myself with the same old "bottle" of Puregon, meaning that I gave myself a total of 1100 units of Puregon from a bottle that was labelled 900 units. Called the clinic... called the pharmacist... the company always leaves 100 supplemental units in each bottle, but the pharmacist checked my Pen and could never figure out how I could have injected myself with 1100 units and still have some left in the bottle, in addition! It remains a mystery, but he had me come to the drugstore yesterday (yet another trip) because he felt too uncomfortable with me keeping the same Pen till today. We suspect that somehow, I didn't get all the meds I should have gotten.

Yesterday morning, I was in severe pain. I was bent in two and Tylenol did nothing whatsoever. It's rare that the pain is so intense that I cry, but this was the case. I was very bloated and very worried and I almost had to cancel my workday. But after lying on my stomach for some 15 minutes, I was able to de-bloat enough to go to work. However, I think I paid for that at the end of the day. The walk to my acupuncturist was pure torture; we're in the middle of a cold wave here, and it was about minus 20C outside (my acupuncturist told me that cold, especially on the legs, can cause more abdominal spasms). The accu apt was very painful; the cramps just didn't go away and I shed quite a few tears; I could clearly feel pain in my ovaries and also in my whole abdomen. I had to call my DH to drive all the way downtown through traffic and pick me up because I was barely able to walk.

It lasted till bedtime and then suddenly, when I woke up... the pain was completely gone! Of course I didn't like that too much... some crazy irrational thoughts whispered me that I might have ovulated and that's why I didn't have pain anymore. :roll: Fortunately, I had my scan this morning. My DH came with me, it was nice to have him.

It's my doc who was there this morning. He made a very tactless declaration at the very beginning of the check. He had not even begun the ultrasound and he checked my file... "Uh-oh, two cysts, huh? That's not very good... you see, sometimes ovarian cysts like that absorb all the effects of the meds and because of that, the follicles grow very slowly and never mature enough. In those instances we have to cancel the cycle and start over."

The tone, the tone! So matter-of-factly! Hey, buddy, you're talking about thousands of dollars thrown out the window here! Can't you show a little sympathy? Can't you just shut the f*** up and wait until you've checked the ultrasound before you make that kind of hypothesis??? Ugh! :evil: Oh, experience makes them lose SO much empathy! They up your meds and up the costs by shots of 100$, 200$ a day and don't even wince! I know he's probably seen thousands of IVF-ers (he started the first clinic in Montreal), and I know he probably earns a whole cycle's worth of money each DAY. But that should never be a reason! My DH found his remark tactless, too. He said it was not nice to scare me like that right from the start. Because of that, I wasn't able to enjoy the good news that came after.

So he checked my ovaries... the cysts are bigger. Some 33mm on the right and 32 on the left. But right away when he checked my right ovary, he made a satisfied exclamation and said something like, "I really like what I'm seeing here! see? You have lots of nice follicles here; it looks like they have been reacting for the past 2-3 days now, so they are growing all the same. Ah, this is exactly what I wanted to see! I'm reassured!"

Speak for you, a**h***!!!! :evil:

*shakes the bitterness off* :)

Becleo, I understood exactly what you meant by "my ovaries turned into grapes". It's really what it looks like. My follicles are around 12mm now. Still small, but definitely growing. He did not count them all, but it looks like I have about a dozen of them on my right side. My left ovary did not react too well, though. There are something like 2-3 good follicles that are growing. But it's better than nothing. As long as I have my babies, twins or 2 years apart, I won't complain. :D

We discussed my pain and he said it was perfectly normal. He reminded me that my 2003 sceptic shock/infection and my surgery left adherences that touch my ovaries and my intestines. He said that the stretching of my ovaries, as they are growing bigger and bigger, might be what explains the severe pain. It would not be the cysts anymore. My ovaries probably just re-arranged themselves in another position and that's why I don't feel pain anymore. And I'm not as bloated as I was yesterday.

Either way, I cancelled today's patients yesterday evening. My DH really encourages me to stop feeling guilty about it (because I'm not in pain anymore) and just take some time to rest because I do need that rest. And I hear him; he's doing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen. Awwww I LOVE him! (and no, Aunty, he didn't start doing that when I told him about your prep-him-for-EC protocol, LOL But he likes the idea!) I guess he's right. Today will be strictly about catching up on phone calls, emails, lots of knitting, reading and watching TV. Tomorrow afternoon, I have a wine and cheese for the baby shower of my acquaintance who is pregnant with IVF. Given that she is a walking and talking ray of hope for me, it will be okay for me to be there. I want to have fun, look at her belly and tell myself that my turn is just around the corner.

I'm feeling okay, but I feel like this whole cycle is standing on the edge of a knife now. Because of my doc's tactless remark, I can't help but fear that the cysts might indeed absorb most of the meds' effect and keep my follies from growing some more. Those two days till the next scan (Monday) will be long, but I'll keep myself busy. There's nothing I can do but pray anyway. And that I'll do. Can't wait to be triggered.

Sassy: this is GREAT news! I'm so happy that your little bugger made it back home! woohooooo! Poor you, you're passing from a killer waiting to... a killer longer waiting but I'll keep hoping with you for a BFP!

mom: going through the sickness and loss of a pet is different than grieving a fellow human being, but it is no less painful at times. I'm very sorry for you, but I think you guys have made the best decision. I'm sure your dog had a very fulfilling and happy life; from the way you described he/she, it looked like one happy camper! *hugs*

js: I am SO sorry for you! It is so upsetting to have your hope snatched away from you just at the end of the process! Poor thing! I hope the people around you give you support and love. When do you plan to have your post-cycle appointment? I'm sure there are solutions hun, and one of them will give you your dream of becoming a mommy.

Raintree: I'm very sorry about your BFN... especially that it was your last trial. I hope your doc will give you some explanations for this. We're right there for you if you need us. *hugs*

Denise, Mia : sending you tons of sticky baby dust! I hope your embies find a good position for their 9 months nap!

Charlie: sweetie, we are in the same situation. I started stimming on the 19th and have been rescheduled for another us... my doc said I would keep stimming for 2-3 days more, which means about 11-12 days of stimming. Yeah, it's above average, but contrary to what I thought before, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's a problem with us. We might just be reacting more slowly to the meds. As I keep saying, hehe, our ovaries take it slow because they want to aim for extra quality! ;)

Fed: your fert rate is AMAZING! Five beautiful embies! Congratulations! I'm SO happy for you dear! Transfer tomorrow? I bet you can't wait! :D I'm sending good vibes your way!

Denise: hehehe glad that the magical meds are working for you! ;)

Cinny: congrats on starting the simming! Welcome to the club!

Shantala: how are you sweetie? I just wanted to say hi!

Take care ladies!

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So, dh is not wanting me to cart my monstrous laptop aroud, or lean over to type, so, being the technogeek he is (oooo, and such a cute geek :D ) set me up with a wireless keyboard and mouse so that i can keep tabs on all of you! Now, the only problem is that (being married to a techno-geek), we have a 10 ft screen as our tv. cool for movies, etc.. but not good resolution for writing when projeted from my computer screen. As a result, it is difficult to see what i am writing... so expect more spelling errors than usual...

Raintree: I am so sorry. BFNs suck! Take some time for yourself. On my first, i made a list of things that i could nt do if i was preg, and with bfns, i try to do a few of them (i.e., eat sushi, ride a rollercoaster... you get the idea). anyway, it is something that i have found helpful for me. we are here for you whenever you need us...

JS: ahhhh man. I am so sorry. I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for you. I have alwys had eggs retrieved, but my first cycle had noneto transfer, so was frustrated that i had gone through all the pain and emotional upheaval of stims and had nothing to show for it. I am SO hoping that the AI works for you!!!! Praying for you!

rachel; glad to her HA AND AF gone! gl on mon, hoping everything goes well at baseline. oooo, whatcha get? shopping, i mean? Anything good? Shopping sounds SO fun to me right now but i am stuck in the recliner. Do tell, i can live vicariously!

Mia: Naw, i missed you yest... i got the call at 11:30 to high tail it over. I guess there was some debate re: whether or not the blast would fully expand in time for an ET yest (it was early blast in the am). RE beleved it would (ever my cheerleader!) so they scheduled me. lo and behold, it DID expand. You got 2 oood lookin' "big' blasts transferred, huh? (arn't those the ones that turn ino 10 lb fetuses? heeehehee). Fantastic!!! I will have to check out youtube... still haven't looked at your video yet...

Charlie: hang in there! Women stim for all dfferent lengths of time Important thing is getting some healthy eggs!

Cinny and ssalgado: oooo, that is fab that you are both startig stims! Congrats! Happy Stimming!

Aunty: I am choosing to believe all that ovary pain you are having is from the big follicles growin' in there... maybe your ovary is actually behaving itself??!!!! Fingers crossed for you!

AHHHH, sorry if i missed anyone. As the mouse is REAL slow, and can't see well, i think it just took me almost 90 min to finish this (not that i have anything else important on my schedue today :wink: ).

Finding myself very much at peace and not really anxious at all about the beta. Thiw will either work or it won't... not a whole lot i can do, but be grateul for the chance i have(one i was thinking that i might have lost... i see it as a "bonus"!)> Thank you all again for your support, it really did make a difference.
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Aunty - I'm getting no real pain - the odd twinge - but i don't even feel bloated anymore. Maybe I have just got used to the feeling. I get cysts too.
When do you have your first scan? I hope it is just your follies growing and there are no cysts. Am I right in saying that they don't necessarily cancel cycles for cysts? Keeping everything crossed for you! LOL

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Hi all,
Raintree/My2, i am so sorry for you both. hope the future gives you your dreams.
Mom20 sorry about your dog it sounds like hes had a great life though.
sassy way to go you've got a real fighter there, good luck on the 2ww.
Mia congrats on 2 transferred and hopefully more to freeze for later. good luck with the 2ww.
JS sorry about your ec disaster i hope the AI works plenty of eggs for DH sperm to choose from. good luck.
charlie, i stimmed for 12 days and also had a shot with my trigger shot as an extra boost so don't worry about the time its taking nice things come to those that wait.
sophie, sorry you've been in a lot of pain, what we do for a baby. you won't be long now 12mm you will probably triggering on Mon or Tuesday.Rest up and forget about the stupid doctors comments.
aunty hoping all thatpain is follies.take care.
sorry to everyone i've missed lots of sticky baby dust to you.
Okay got to go my cat keeps walking on the laptop, he wants attention.
take care all.
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OOO Mom 20.

I went thru the same thing. Acouple months ago I posted that my dog was sick and he just died on Jan 8th. It is so sad to lose your pet. There are like family to us. Sometimes even BETTER!! They listen and dont talk back and are always there for you. So loyal!! I just want you to know that I am right there with you in your pain. Hugs to you!!

Sophie, what an inconsiderate DR. Im sorry you had yo go thru that, but glad of the outcome and that now he thinks your follies are doing well.
I had a cyst too and had to wait for the following month so that is no fun. Im glad everything is going as planned.

Auntie, Sorry you are so bloated. But I think that is a good sign. You will have nice big follies.

Rain tree and My2, Im sorry this is not your time. Take time for yourself. Your time will come. Hugs!!

Sassy, I love your set up. What a great DH to take care of your like that.

Mia, I saw your puppies, that are so cute. Glad to put a face with a name.

Nothing going on with me. Just waiting for AF so that I can start again. I still have about 2 weeks so I will enjoy DH and try to lose some weight.

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My2/Raintree, I'm sorry to hear your BFN news. My thoughts are with both of you.

js, I hate that your EC didn't produce anything, hopefully the IUI will work and you'll be a mommy in 9 months!

Cook/Aunty, I hope your pain subsides soon.

Fed, Yeah on 100% fertilization. Good luck with your ET.

Sassy/Hopeful - I am glad everything went well with ET. Good luck with the 2WW.

mom20, it's not silly to get upset over a dog. We have a dog and he is our family, our "son", and our parents "grand son". We would be upset if anything happened to him, so I sympathize with what you must be going through. You will be losing a family member. Just know that this is the best thing, we don't want them to be in any unnecesary pain.

Cinny/Salgado - Good luck with stimming; Feed those eggies!

As for me, in addition to the cramping (which has thankfully lessened now), I found out yesterday that I have a bladder infection. Bugger! So I was in bed most of the day yesterday dealing with that pain; the antibiotics finally kicked in about 12 last night. I'm praying to get through the rest of this 2ww without any more pain or issues of any kind. Hopefully someone hears my prayer and it's not just crawling around the ceiling!

Take care ladies,

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Thanks for all the congrats guys.
Mom20...I understand how you feel. I lost 3 guinea pigs and it was really hard. Our pets become our kiddies. We have soooooo much love to give and it has to go somewhere...our pets. Now I have a doggie and I know that when the time comes to say goodbye it will be gut-wrenching. So it's not silly at all. I remember when my first dog died, I was about 8. It was horrible. I couldn't sleep and all I could think about was Charlie. Pets are a part of our family.
Grieving is natural and I offer you a virtual shoulder to lean on. I know he/she was well loved.
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I understand how you feel PMApsy. There bedside manners need help. I remember when my doc told me that I need IVF, he stated, "Oh, I can't do anything else for you. You just need IVF". Wow, just like that. ANd I guess I was going to go pick 7 grand off of my money tree. The dr over my protocol is pretty good though.
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Thanks sylvacharm, good luck and hopefully you get a BFP

Cinny we are on tonight good luck mine will be around 8:30pm

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AuntyPebbles, I am sorry to hear about your pain. I think you have a good number of follicles and no cysts.

PMApsy, I would have had to say something to the Dr just so he knows how tactless he is.

I now will swear by that video. Last night I had positive dreams about the transfer today and about all of the wonderful people on this board. In the dream we kept speaking about the BFPs that we will soon be getting. Today, we went for the ET and the only thing the DR gave me different was an IV and oxygen and I felt NO PAIN!!! They did not give me any pain meds nor did they knock me out. I kept telling myself that it would really feel great to have the procedure done and that I would leave there with my twins. I told Dr Zeringue that the pain really was mind over matter, plus it did not hurt for me to believe that the IV did have pain meds. I swear, I would be that one person in a clinical trial that would be cured by the placebo drug, LOL! So everything went great today and I am eating some yummy chicken noodle soup I made last night and getting my babies ready for mommy’s yummy cooking!!!

My test will be on Feb 5th and then again on the 7th for confirmation.

I am so happy that I watched that video, I think my life has already changed! Hugs and baby dust to everyone! And of course you all have my continued prayers and well wishes!
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Right then *aunty rolls up sleves*.....PMA you might not like this and i know im not a medical professional but i have to say
That Dr is full of shit i would like to come over there and smack him really hard on the nose ...
"Uh-oh, two cysts, huh? That's not very good... you see, sometimes ovarian cysts like that absorb all the effects of the meds and because of that, the follicles grow very slowly and never mature enough. In those instances we have to cancel the cycle and start over."
I say........cysts can interfere with your cycle mainly if they take up too much room and there isnt enough ovary left to get a good yield of eggs from you ...
The part about you have cysts thats why you reacted slowly
AKA"We had you on the wrong does of meds and only just realised" might have been a lot closer to the truth

...ooo im sorry i am so mad he would put you through that worry.....well bugger him it sounds to me like they got you on the right does fast enough, now you will get some fab eggs and beautiful embies.... your meds are not being absorbed by the cysts he's a pig to put that in your head and id like to kick him in the nuts....LOL

oh and the meds dont worry about that they say they put a small amount more in i sometimes get an extra 325units out of my Gonal pen and they told me it only had an extra 30 in it
when i was on Follistim i was getting three days out of a two day ...you are getting the right meds if your pen say's the right amount before you inject then trust yourself ....i did the very same thing as you i went back to my clinic and the pharmacy thinking i was doing it wrong

ok sorry had to get that off my chest...love Aunty
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hey lady's had a cup of tea so feel better....
D congratulations on getting your babies back home sending them a mental hug come one little ones stick to mommy....im so pleased your transfer went well i never feel mine liek you say full bladder helps a lot with that....take very good care of you....

Silva thats great hey just what you need at least they have found it are they giving you anything or is it the old drink lots of fluids?....feel better soon

Jackie good to see you, thank yiou for your thoughts im actually enjoying it bring it on (as long as its eggs...LOL) two weeks isnt long nwo is it i will be watching you behind you all the way...hugs

Charlie my first follie count is tuesday i cant wait now it will ease my mind once i see whats going on i can start to enjoy my aches....im so excited about you finaly getting your date...not long now...

sassy awww hes so sweet its so good to read hes taking very good care of you....thank you for the positive thoughts...ok me too im going to say i have loads of eggs on the rise :wink:

lots of love to all Aunty
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ssalgado...You beat me to stimming 2night. I just did my double dose for the evening. 5 units of Lupron and 225 of my Gonal Pen. I hope there is extra in mine. God knows I don't want to pay for any more meds. Good luck to all and good nite.
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