OCB's 7

beckym · Post by **beckym** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 10:59 am

Hi guys sory, this is going to be a bit of a rant. had a phone call from the embryologist at 9:30am - as I feared - although I had 31 eggs removed only 10 fertilized normally! 27 were suitable for injection. of those, 8 didn't survive ICSI, 5 fertilized abnormally and 4 didn't fertilize at all. kept on asking why the ratio is so low and she said she didn't know. also got the bombshell that very few of their patients get to freeze embryos as they only freeze embryos that get to the blastocyst stage (day 5). we had been hoping that this cycle we might get some to freeze at last. after all, seem to be quite a few peopl on this thread who are having FET so it can't be that rare, surely? I know it only takes one embie but we never even got to the 6-cell stage last time and the fertilization rate this time is worse than last time!! last time we just got two that were ok at day 3 - a 4-cell and a 5-cell and that was starting out with 13 embies at day 1. has anyone got pregnant off a 4-cell embie at day 3? they are also talking about et being either Monday (day 3) or friday (day 5 - blasto) and they told me they would tell me tomorrow. I said surely that is my choice as to whether I want to go to blasto or not? I'm scared that none of them will survive to day 3 let alone blasto. I know that each cycle is different but so far this one has mirrored the last one in every way. this is all very nerve-wracking indeed. feeling pretty ****ed off. sorry to rant on, as I know some people only get 4-5 embies at day 1 but can't help feeling that if I had less stims my eggs might have been better quality. this seems to be a repeat of what happened at my last clinic even though I warned them here about the fact that I tend to over-produce. maybe I'm wrong and it's just that my eggs are crap but how will I ever know unless they change my stimming regime? don't think I have PCOS as my FSH is around 4.5 and I have quite regular periods - albeit a long cycle at 33 days. I only had one occasion last year where I didn't have a period for 3 months. ok, rant over for now. sorry girls. had to get it off my chest. ambar - best of luck for your embies for today, tomorrow and Monday. think we're in the same boat. 2wwers - hope I can join you! vicki - are you ok? how did the scan go. crossing fingers for you that you were ok. beckym XXX

vickib · Post by **vickib** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:19 pm

Hi Girls I'm hanging in there, My day 12 scan and bloods were ok so hopefully the clinic will not cancel my cycle, they are now trying to get as many follies as possilbe, I had three at 17mm-20mm but I think they are waiting for the smaller ones to come through as I appear to have steady growth and blood levels. I'm back on Monday which will be day 15 they have kept me on 200 puregon. I am hoping for collection wednesday or Thursday. Has anyone else stimmed for this long? I had to go back to my clinic this morning for more puregon, it ws very quite but I got talking to a girl having her first cycle of IVF, it was so nice to finally speak to someone at the clinic. Beckym - Please try to stay positive It only takes one. I can't beleive the clinic did not discuss their freezing polices with you earlier. I know how you feel about having some in the freezer I feel the same due to DH & I only having limited supply of sperm. Good luck with phone call tomorrow. Ambar - good luck with FET on Monday. Traci- Good luck for the 5 Nov it will be here before you know it. Hayley - Good luck with baseline scan on Tuesday. Jules - Hope you are feeling better and your baseline scan goes well on Wednesday. Dolly - How did scan go did you get date for EC. 2wwers Good luck to you all lots and lots of PMA +++++. Love to you all Vicki B XXXXXXXXXX+++++++++++++++ [Edited by vickib on 01-Nov-03 04:23]

Traci · Post by **Traci** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:57 am

Vicki B On my last cycle I was a poor responder and started with 1 folli and begged them to keep me going so they did and I even sugested switching to IUI seeing as I have good tubes and Cameron is border line motility for iui, anyway as it turned out I got 3 follis which made 4 eggys , I then got 2 grade a's put back but unfortuneately got a big fat negative but at least I had a chance instead of being cancelled. I was stimming for 15 days on 350 gonal F and had ICSI . Its weird not stimming this time and waiting till I get the phone call on how many Mandy gets on wednesday for us. Good luck Im sure everything will be ok Trace x

Lisa Ch · Post by **Lisa Ch** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:33 am

Hi just on for a bit of a moan really. I have been full of cold since Thursday the clinic said I could take paracetomol, which I tried not to do until yesterday as I was coughing so much I thought there is no way they will be able to grow in there anyway. Also thought if I don't take them this could continue for ages and not get any better. Now feel like it is def going to be a neg and just feel so low. Everything this time has been so different, a couple of friends I relied on last time haven't really been there this time. I think I am being a miserable pain in the arse to all around me (and thats not many at the mo). A friend (on her 5th attempt) once told me that friends drop off as cycles go on and I was the only person she told for her last cycle. I can see this happening to me aswell, not that we tell that many people anyway. Sorry this is a crappy posting but can't feel any positive thoughts at all at the moment. Good luck Lisa xx

BelB · Post by **BelB** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 11:36 am

Hi there OCB gals, Just popped in to check out how everyone's going. Becky, lots of PMA to you, I agree, it only takes one..I've read soooo many women on this site that have had what seems like poor quality embies (and not many of them) go on to have happy, healthy pregnancies (sometimes featuring twins), keep that postiive mental attitude happening OK? Ambar - Good luck for your FET tomorrow, lots and lots and lots of PMA to you!!, remember pee lots before the procedure, then you don't have to go for ages afterwards (made me feel better about the whole thing!) Vicki - Good luck for Monday! Traci - Almost there, good luck for the 5th of November! To those on the dreaded 2ww, all the very very best, am keeping the PMA heading your way! To those I haven't mentioned sorry, am keeping my eye on you all though, have some very high expectations for this OCB group! Belinda

alypraying · Post by **alypraying** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 1:09 pm

Hi All Becky sorry that your clinic isn't being very helpful. I would of thought that it was your choice to go to blastocyst stage, when will you go for egg transfer? When I had IVF I only had a 3 cell embryo on day 3 and they said that people have got pregnant with 3 and 4 cell embryo's on day 3 so hang in there I'm sure it will be fine. One thing is I have all the same symptoms as you i.e over stim low FSH, regular cycle yet they have suggested I have PCOS I hav't had any cysts either! Lisa P how are you getting on with the 2WW? Lisa Ch I'm so sorry that your felling down, I hope your cold clears up soon drink plenty of orange juice. Traci hope you can help I might be having a donor egg next year, do you do any stimulatin at all or do you just down reg then get E/T? I am due to have IUI Tuesday or Wednesday this is my final go before going for egg donation. Also can you let me know about the blood test looking at antibodies? Vicki Amber and Dolly good luck and keep us posted. big hugs and loads of positive vibes Aly x

Traci · Post by **Traci** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:02 pm

Aly Down regg then introduce tablets 2 x day then after 7 days it increases to 3 x tablets a day then you introduce the good old pesserries NICE !!!! and the ET I tell you its great not having EC I guess they say that the chances are higher because your not fiddled about too much with EC. I seem to be the only one having donor eggs!!! Hope this helped Trace x

Lisa_P · Post by **Lisa_P** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 2:50 pm

HI there everyone I'm on day 6 of 2ww and I'm not too sure how I feel. One minute I'm looking out for twinges, the next minute I forget and i'm just 'normal' and I know that next Monday I shall be testing. God I want this sooooo much but I really don't know what to be looking out for. I've read on here that everyone gets diffrent symptons etc. My af is due next friday. My dh is being so positive but I'm just feeling a bit crappy and fed up, why can't we have any guarentees? why are things so unfair?? I'll stop my moaning now. PMA PMA PMA PMA PMA PMA Aly - good luck with you iui next week, i'm sending you positive vibes

Lorriane and Lou - how are you getting on 2wwers? Anyone else statring their 2 ww this next week? are they only 3 of us at the moment? where ave those lovely lists gone? Hope you've all had a good weekend much love + pma Lisa x

beckym · Post by **beckym** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:26 pm

Hi guys sorry had a moan on a separate thread and then saw aly's post - thanks so much for that-it has given me a bit of hope to last me through the night. traci-need one of your lucky candles!! Lisa C - I do know people who have got pregnant on this thread after having the most awful colds during 2ww so keep your chin up. vickib - all the best for your scan tomorrow. I will know at 7:00am tomorrow whether I need to go up or not. beckym xxx

gem · Post by **gem** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:07 am

Morning everyone Well I went to my engagement do on sat night and my nieces 7th b.day party we only stayed a few hours and I felt ok,just sat and drank lemonade and lime-I'm such a party girl!! Well we test a week today OH MY GOD I'm so nervous we both want this so much dont know what I'd do if it failed again. The embryos were day 3 when they were defrosted so on thurs when we had fet was that day 3 and does that make today day 7? I had some twinges on my left side yesterday then later on they moved to my right side I keep telling dh that its the pessaries Iam I right or are they implanting or not implanting and getting ready to come out nxt week? I know you shouldnt look too much into this I think I'm just wishful thinking,Ive been quite positive so far but I've got a week to go yet,not going back to work til Thursday,so time is going alot slower. I keep talking to them amd keep saying to myself that I am pregnant...I am pregnant...to try and keep my PMA up. I just want nxt monday to be here now!! How are the other 2wwers? Becky I'm sorry to hear about your embryos.hows it gone this morning? Lisa P I know how you feel this waiting game is murder. Aly good luck on your iui. Traci How are things with your cousin and you? Lisa Ch try and keep the pma up I know its hard. Bel how are you any sickness yet? have you had your scan yet? Ambar good luck on your fet let us know hows its gone. Hayley,Vicky,Jules and Dolly how are you? Sorry if I've missed anybody Keep up the PMA Love Gemxx

Lisa_P · Post by **Lisa_P** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:39 pm

Just an update to where we are with testing dates: 7th Loopylou/Lorraine 9th Frances 10th Lisa P/Gem 12th Lisa Ch Not long to go now! Gemma - I know exactly how you feel. I've had slight pains in my lower tummy for the past 24 hours, not continuous just now and again. I can't believe we've got another week to go. I was suppose to be back at work today but i've got quite a bad cold, so i hope that won't interfere with things! Lou, Lorriane, Frances and Lisa CH - how are you all? lots of PMA I hope al the down reggers and injectors are doing well! Aly - good luck for your iui Lisa Ch - i've got a cold too

Love to you all Lisa x

beckym · Post by **beckym** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:55 pm

Yes, i have made it to the 2ww! thanks for all your kind words. I now intend to act as if I am pregnant for the next 12 days as that is the best way I can think to have pma. I don't care about technicalities anymore!! I test on 15 Nov, which is thankfully a Saturday. have been told by the clinic that on no account should I do a hpt beforehand as the results are so unreliable. Am on a real cocktail of drugs - 2 heparin injections a day (without a gun, ladies!!!) and a host of tablets including baby aspirin. How is everybody doing? vicki - crossing fingers your scan went well and they're hanging in there. ambar - hope FET went well. let us know how you are doing. Traci - so close now! aly - good luck for IUI tomorrow/wed. dolly - did you have ec today? Jules -you having baseline on Wed? loupy, gem, Lisa C, lisa P, Lorraine, frances - hope you are bearing up. Not long now for loopy and lorraine!! beckym xxx

Dolly · Post by **Dolly** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:06 pm

Hi Everyone, I went in for my scan on Friday and I had to carry on stimming and go back in today. Today I had 2 follies of over 18mm and then another 6 about 14mm and a good few more that were about 10mm (so I am hoping that a few of them will grow a bit more as well). I am booked in for EC at 9.00 am on Wednesday. Ambar, I hope your FET went ok today. Take it easy for the next few days. Traci, I hope all goes well for your's and Mandy's scan on Wednesday Becky, we havn't heard from you today so hope all worked out ok for you and your ET went ahead as planned. (we must have posted at the same time...! Glad to hear you had ET today.. that is fantastic news). Aly, good luck with your IUI and ++++ vibes to all you 2wwers. Love Dolly [Edited by Dolly on 03-Nov-03 08:10]

JULES K · Post by **JULES K** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:10 pm

Hi ladies, just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing. I have baseline scan on Wednesday, quite excited in one way but also a bit scary as now its getting down to the nitty gritty!! I am having a bit of a cr*p time in work, am seriously considering going to the doctors and getting a note until the whole thing is over and done with (hopefully with a BFP) One thing I have noticed this time round is that my belly is ginormous! (its never flat to start off with!)I haven't hardly eaten a thing this last week with being ill so I can only assume its the Buserelin , well thats my excuse anyway! Hope everyone is doing OK, keep up the PMA. Will check in again after baseline scan Take care... Love Julie xx

Traci · Post by **Traci** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:24 pm

Well what a great day today first Becky with her news and Dolly has reached EC on wednesday . Dolly it sounds as though things are going smooth for you , good luck for Wednesday I certainly will be watching the bords . Julie Good luck for wednesday for your baseline scan , its always nice to get past this stage , I think the worse scan is the first follicle scan. For all you 2wwters I have my lucky candels for all you guys on your test days !

Trace x

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