December-January Cycle Buddy's Our New beginnings

[PMApsy]

Good morning ladies,

Wow, this thread is as active as ever! It's so hard to keep up!

Aunty: thanks for your reply! What's a bumper crop?? Yeah, it was nice to get the news and especially to get precise dates to look forward to. The only thing is, many people here commented about getting a call from their clinic about their fert rate... and unfortunately, I think I'll have to wait until my ET to know! Eeek that's Monday only! I'm grateful that I'll be working all day Saturday; I'll have plenty of laundry, groceries and stuff to keep me busy till Monday morning... Thanks for your thoughts! I'm really happy that you got so many encouraging news from your scan! Way to go! 3rd time might indeed be the charm! Grow follies, grow!

Hopeful: thanks for your thoughts! Your Progesterone injections sound like a pain in the... well, how accurate! Sorry that you're going through so much trouble... keep us posted about what your doc decides!

druiett: thanks for your thoughts! And LOL about your husband... mine sure did the same thing... "But honey, you've still got your hands and mouth, so I don't see any problem!" I'm sure he'll come up with something really creative! I'm excited for you sweetie, and I hope the days till the 13th go by real fast! It will be nice to look at your little peanut!

Charlie: I'm so glad everything went well with your EC! You're a trooper! 16 eggs is amazing, congratulations! It's simply WONDERFUL to know how many fertilized! Looks like you'll have the choice in addition! I'M SO EXCITED for you given that we're the same age! That's FANTASTIC! I'm sure your DH will get a nice growing b-day present that he will soon welcome into this world! Thanks for your wishes for tomorrow; I'll put them in my pocket and bring them with me! (well... might as well put them in my socks if I want to really bring them with me... lol)

Cinny: I'm really sorry that your numbers are giving you worries and possibly delays... it's really unnerving to be soooo close to the D-Days and be told to wait and wait... for things that are not really under your control! I sympathise, really. Great follie count, though! It's the double of what I got!

becleo: tee hee hee thanks for sharing the excitement with me! You're really a doll! Mwah! and I still LOVE that ticker! You're so sweet to keep posting about my EC (planned for tomorrow), it brings a lump to my throat! You're really a friend!

arizonakiwi: Hey sweetie! I love your energy! Thanks for sharing some with me! And thanks for your thoughts! Glad the story about my DH made you laugh! LOL after all, he didn't wait for lunchtime... he went straight back home after the ultrasound and had some lonely fun. He's really taking his 30 seconds of glory seriously (I'm sure part of why he did that was because he wanted to be as close to the 48h delay as possible...) and that's SO cute!

Ange: you're a sweetheart! Thanks for your thoughts! *hugs*

SilvaCharm: I heard this from many doctors, tried it when I had a urinary tract infection too... drink plenty of cranberry juice! It helps! Don't ask me why, but it helps! And thanks for your thoughts, they were really sweet. The trigger shot sure was impressive to look at (that's a LOT of liquid!) but so far so good... no side effect at all. Other than feeling that the "waddling walk" is sloooowly settling in my gait now!

Vicky: anxiously waiting for news... *hugs*

beachbaby: thanks for your thoughts! They warmed my heart! Yes I've had a rather slow not beautiful growth! I'm anxious to see what my fert rate looks like!

shantala: hello sweetheart! my little flower! So great to have news! The trigger went very well. The package's instructions sheet really sounded like Swahili to me... (you can really take those meds for a variety of reasons and the dosages change accordingly). I was very lucky that the clinic gave me precise instructions! The quantity of meds is quite impressive, (about 1ml in my case) but I didn't feel any burning or anything like that. I've been told that, given it's the pregnancy hormone, I might get some pregnancy symptoms (nausea, headaches, fatigue) but so far I've felt nothing of that (and here I am thinking myself all good because I'll have a symptom-free pregnancy like my mother, LOL), but anyway I think that's the norm. My breasts are a bit tender but they were yesterday, so... I alternate between feeling nervous about tomorrow and feeling fine. Mostly fine for now.. and THANKS TO YOU WONDERFUL FORUM LADIES for that; your stories sounded reassuring, most of them anyway. Your energy and excitement are like candy/chocolate to me and they really warm my heart. *HUGS* I'll give you plenty of details tomorrow as soon as I'm back home and able to type correctly (lol). And YIPPEE! on starting downregging tomorrow! Sniff, sniff! Glad you're doing accu as well! You'll see, it helps with the whole process! I swear! I'm really sorry about your sweetheart, though... wow, he must really feel like he got ran over by a truck! Is he playing the poor babies or is he enduring it all? I'm glad he got the right meds; let's hope they act quickly! A big Quebecker HUG to him!

Welshbugger (tee hee hee, it's Shantala's fault... but I love that!): I hope your clinic doesn't have that kind of policy... that would really be silly! It absolutely doesn't cost more to freeze all embryos! If they don't make the thaw, they don't make it and that's all! Why would they make that pre-selection like that, it's silly! I'm really sorry that it's causing you worries! Hey, don't we all wish we have a max of good embies to transfer AND to freeze just in case! I really sympathize and I give you a big hug!

Emma: I hope your embies make it just fine... and I'm really sorry your clinic's policy makes you uncomfortable. I'm sure they have dealt with that kind of uneasiness before; you should definitely voice your concerns. Good luck sweetie!

nouna: thanks for sharing your EC experience and for reassuring me! you're cute! I'm glad that everything went well and that they got so many eggies! I'm anxious to hear about your fert rate! squeee!

mominwaiting: sorry that you're struggling a bit with the stimming phase. I sure can empathize with what you're going through sweetheart! It's difficult to just relax and assume that everything will end up looking fine for your EC.. but believe me, it happens. Looks like your docs are keeping a close watch on you and have previous experience with your progress through IVF in addition, so that's all playing for you. Keep us posted and good luck!

Okay ladies... I've got a few things to do today... I have my day off, but I have to do a few phone calls, write a therapy progress letter for a client and fax it to his lawyer... think of a special dinner that I could make tonight for my beautiful darling... decide on which lingerie I'll wear tomorrow to help him (and have some fun, too!)... and of course lots of spiritual-related tasks... oh, and take my sweet dog Daria on a nice walk to the football field and have fun with her! (though yesterday's flamenco lesson was a bit tough on the ovaries... I had to sit through a whooooole exercise and people looked at me like I didn't want to participate and some asked me if I was okay, if I was pregnant... bah, anyway! I'll take it easy with my dog, then! not too much running and jumping!)

It's wonderful to think that our babies will be conceived tomorrow...

Take care ladies, and have a lovely day!

Sophie

[tcbalgord]

Ohhhhhh Sophie ( Have I ever told you that I just love that name? Been trying to convince DH if we ever have a daughter to name her Sophia Maria!) Anyways, sounds like you are a busy little bee today! A special dinner and the special outfit and activity! Have a wonderful day and night and hugs for tomorrow sweetie!

[ssalgado]

Bec- hey there!!

Yes i am peeing like every second and some "pain" when i sneeze but that is about it, I am VERY VERY GLAD that you feel the way you feel regarding this whole emotional rollocoster, it is not easy and we all know that but you need to be focus and take every blessing we can and help everyone we find in our way on thsi Infertility process, the other day i was talking with 2 ladies at my Dr office that has exact same thing like me PCO's show them my baby's pic and told him to have faith that Miracles does exist i my Son is Proof of it and they were happy, i always try to give support to others relying on my true story... Now you will have your own and it is so good when you see the light glowind in their faces when someone is telling them face to face here is the Proof !! look at it...

Well enough enjoy your lunch and don't worry snow is suppose tocome down soon my car is discosting!! yeakee!!

Well talk to later and feed the bambino take care!
Susette

[Welshgirl38]

Welshgirl, I am the one that apparently has no “right” to her feelings. !

Sassy,
This is a sore subject i think for everyone on here. I never meant to hurt you and for that i am sorry. I know only too well how women react when it comes to subjects liket his - before i found this site, i joined another IVF board who rejected me because i already had 2 children. I have never been in the situation that i couldnt conceive children (untill now). The difference is that i already have children and women who havent can take offence, not because they begrudge me, but because of the pain that they are going thru to try and have what i have (im not explaining this too well am i) what i mean to say is:

I DO understand how you feel, but you have to step back and also understand how 'we' feel. When you get your BFP, you will want to shout it from the roof tops and be pround of your child - as we are. You wont want to hide the pride you feel, I am so sorry that my comment hurt you, i can imagine how hurt you feel at the moment because i too have been in that situation - only i was being pushed out of a message board as the women there didnt want anyone who had children or even been pregnant there. It was a really stressfull time and i felt they could have been more understanding, cos altho i have 2 children from my previous marriage, my DH (who doesnt have any of his own) are desperate to have one together.
There will always be two sides of this argument, and im afraid that i will always be on both sides having been at both sides (having children to be proud of - but also going thru this journey to hold another)
I cant tell you how sorry i am Sassy - and i do hope u change ur mind and return to this board, you are truley welcome and we will always be here to support you. We really do care, so please find it in your heart to forgive me, i never meant to hurt you ....

Becky Xxxx

[nouna]

Hello Ladies,
I got some good news, I got a call from the nurse, they were able to fertilize 14 of my eggs... it is amazing really, the nurse said the transfer is more likely on Monday but if any changes it will be Saturday.
Thanks Shantala, Bec, Aunty, Charlie, Sophie, Sassy and all the ladies on the forum who supported me, sorry if I missed any names, I really wish you all to become moms soon, God bless you all.

Hugs,
Nouna

[hopeful-in-LV]

I'm feeling very anxious right now. I just had BW done and I know they will check for HCG. they won't tell me the results, but if there's no hcg they will likely stop my PIO today. I'm sooooooo nervous!

this is the part where i go nuts....

[hopeful-in-LV]

Hello Ladies,
I got some good news, I got a call from the nurse, they were able to fertilize 14 of my eggs... it is amazing really, the nurse said the transfer is more likely on Monday but if any changes it will be Saturday.
Thanks Shantala, Bec, Aunty, Charlie, Sophie, Sassy and all the ladies on the forum who supported me, sorry if I missed any names, I really wish you all to become moms soon, God bless you all.

Hugs,
Nouna

wonderful news! congrats! when is your ET?

[charlie78]

Nouna - Snap! That's great news on ferts! Wishing you all the best for ET!

Charlie x

[tcbalgord]

Nouna! 14 is great yippie!!!!!!!!!!!! Sending vibes to your 14 children to divide and concquer! Fabulous job sweetie!

Hopeful, oh sweetie, I have no idea what to say really so lets take a deep breath.....ready? ok now count to 10 and blow out. I can only imagine how stressful all of this must be, try to relax as much as possible. Oh and it's ok to go nuts, as women it's our right, along with changing our minds, and being bitches. Keeping you in my thoughts.

[ssalgado]

CONGRATS NOUNA ON THOSE 14 LITTLE ONES!!!! BE READY!!!

SUSETTE

[AuntyPebbles]

Nouna woohoo fantastic well done sedning prayers for your little ones....

Mia ooo gosh im right with you hand on heart sending prayers you will keep getting your shot...OMG i cant even imagine what thats like ok well PMA when will you know?....soon i hope...hugs i will keep checking now

love to all Aunty

[PMApsy]

nouna AMAZING fert rate sweetie! Yippee! You must be SO relieved! Congratulations! Way to go on the ET! wow, keep us posted darling! It's exciting!!!

tc: hehehhe you're cute! I'm glad that you love my name and yes, I believe you've commented on it before! lol! But I don't mind! Yeah, busy bee... just spent an hour on that darn report... trying not to sound too pessimistic to help the guy but at the same time... ahem. Anyway. My doggie is really impatient to get going on the walk, though... lying at my feet as I write this... I give her two minutes and she'll start pushing her nose under my arms to lift them off the keyboard!

*struggles...*

*struggles*

gnnnnnnnaaaaahh! Okay, I give up! I'll open my big mouth and risk having it slapped shut, LOL!

Becleo, ssalgado, Welshgirl... I'm mentioning you three because you seem to share more or less the same advice on the whole "showing your baby pictures or talking about your kids/kids-to-be" issue.

Thanks to you guys for explaining to us non-mothers how it feels like to be in your shoes. I couldn't agree more with Welshgirl/bugger that there will always be two sides (I prefer to think of the grey zone between those two sides... hence my mention of continuum... ah, darn shrink habits!). You've explained your end of the continuum very well, and personally I hadn't realized how proud and ecstatic you must be indeed when you get your BFP, your baby belly, your baby per se... Heck, I'll want to advertise it, too. But here's some things you should maybe consider about the other end of the continuum....

Though I know it's almost taboo to talk about this here, some of us, including me, might never be successful in becoming IVF mothers. It's a numbers game, and for some of us, the numbers will never come out right. It's the sad reality of being in our situation, let's face it. And sometimes, during our process, we're faced with that, whether because it's our final attempt, our last chance, or just because we fear we might face a failure in a couple of weeks and that's hard.

It's obvious that you mean well when you talk about your IVF success stories and even show people living proofs that IVF works. But when these women are either fearing their BFN or facing their IVF last chance, your behavior simply shows them that IVF worked for YOU and not for them. Speaking for me here, but it sounds a whole less comforting despite the best intentions in the world. It creates a contrast that's not always positive.

So yes, for the same people, sometimes your adorable living proofs (and AMC, your girl is really a doll, and I've told you that before this whole issue and meant it big time; she made me crack a big smile) will give hope and help endure that whole process thinking firmly that it's our turn this time. Sometimes, it will also reflect how lonely and disappointed we might feel if it's not after all. Just because we're not always stable on that continuum during our IVF journey, and because obviously, people's fate differ.

I think nobody here should be forbidden to feel any part of that continuum between hopefulness and a great sense of connectedness with IVF mothers and pessimism versus some degree of bitterness and envy. I'll always maintain that each and every one of us should watch what we post here and not hurt other people's feelings by expressing how we feel or where we're at in our emotional journey. There's always a manner to talk about what you feel in a user friendly way. And for that reason, I'm very uncomfortable with any form of "please don't feel the way you feel because it's wrong and you really shouldn't" attitude, for whatever reason. Welshsweetie, you shouldn't have been kicked out of that forum because of your kids, but sassy shouldn't be emotionally "kicked out" because she does not share the mainstream of feelings or attitudes here. This place is for everybody and is meant to be non-judgemental. Sassy didn't insult anybody, she just expressed how she felt, and she was very polite at that even if her emotions were very salient.

But then it's just my opinion. If anyone wants me to "stuff it" anywhere, please wait until after my EC; right now, my opinion, my cysts and my follies would feel a little crowded. Thanks for your understanding.

Sophie

[sassynlv]

All right, I really was going to take a break for a few days, but found myself drawn back.

I believe that as women all struggling through ivf, it is vital that we support each other and validate the emotions and struggles of each individual. If we don't, who will? I work hard to honor others where they are, and have hoped for the same in return. I do not appreciate being told how I “should” be feeling about the children I see, just as much as you would not appreciate being told how you “should” be feeling about your IF.

Having been on three different IF forums, I can tell you my feelings are not uncommon. The other forums all require a warning on all posts referring to children and/or preg… so I didn’t feel I was out of line to request one for pictures of children. I know many of you don’t understand why I would have asked for this… but I appreciate that some of you are trying. I don’t believe that it means I am doing this IF stuff “wrong”, or have gone down the wrong road. It just means I am being honest about what I feel is a normal part of the struggle for many women with IF.

I think that my history here on the board should make it clear that I hold no grudge against those who have children. And I also celebrate with those who experience success. That is not the issue. I am surrounded by children in my life, and there are some days that it is hard, and some days where it is not a problem. Sometimes seeing children is a painful reminder of what I have not yet been “blessed” with, but desperately want. Sometimes it reminds me of my grief and pain. I come here for an escape, to be with and support other women who share my struggle… that of desperately wanting a child (whether or not you already have one). I guess that I just saw this forum as a “safe haven”.

Can we just agree to disagree? I will respect that you are all in a place where pictures of children on the board are not a problem, and may actually be helpful, but can you also respect that I am in a different place (which as far as I am concerned is just as valid)? Can we make it so that there is some warning, or post the link so that those who want to can look. If not, I understand… I have always believed that threads are ruled by the majority, and so I will respect that. It is not that I WANT to leave the thread… are you kidding?… you have been a great support to me. It is that I don’t want to be where I cannot be comfortable, and I don’t want to be intrusive where others are not comfortable with where I am emotionally.

Welshgirl: Thank you for your post. And there is nothing to forgive. Looking back, i am sure you didn't mean it the way i took it. I am sorry that you got kicked off your board, that was cruel. There should always be a place for every woman struggling with IF.

[sassynlv]

Sophie: missed your post while writing my novel. Thanks.

[WISCONSINGAL]

SASSY - WHAT TIME DO YOU GO IN MONDAY? I HAVE MY APPOINTMENT SET FOR 7:00 A.M. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THEY MAKE YOU WAIT FOR THE RESULTS......THIS 2WW DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH I'VE NEVER BEEN THIS FAR.....I JUST THINK I SHOULD BE FEELING SOMETHING.....SORENESS, SOMETHING - ANYTHING!!! ANYHOW, PLEASE LET US KNOW....I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU!!!

HUGS TO ALL AND REMEMBER THIS IS A BOARD FOR FRIENDSHIPS, AND A PLACE WE CAN "ALL" GO TO VENT.......AND "ALL" GO FOR UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT!