MARCH-CYCLE BUDDIES

[nimble]

hey sonya - just checked out yr myspace - I recognise you from Aunty's myspace site !! I never put two and two together.... so great to put face to name

xx

[annag]

Steph, the first acu session I had I actually thought the acupuncturist would have me undressed and I was a bit disappointed that she didn't. I thought that's how it's supposed to be (fr. pics that I've seen)She just made me roll my pant legs and lower my pants from the waist.

Anyway, the needles were in my ankles, lower legs (calf area) and lower belly and both wrists. I go for my second session on Wednesday.

Mandeeq, sorry about your scan...I hope it builds up for the next one. Good luck!

Vicky, I'll do that AF jig for you! Hope it comes on time this time! Same goes for you STeph!

Marcia, hope you'll feel better soon! Drink lots of fluids and rest!

As for me, I'm feeling much better after my hysteroscopy. Actually, I never really had any pain or soreness afterwards. Thanks for all your well wishes, guys! I'm on day 4 of Lupron and so far so good. I haven't really noticed anything different. Dh says I must be on Lupron all my life because it's supposedly could give you bad tempers . I have noticed being more exhausted though...or maybe i've been working too much!

Just saw Babel and The Departed last night...Great flicks!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Anna

[shantala]

evening ladies

sonya and nimble - i thought the exact same thing as nimble...i saw sonya's myspace and recognised her from aunty's myspace but never put 2 and 2 together either! anyway, my myspace is www.myspace.com/shantala100 (i think!). i do think its nice to put faces to names! sonya - hope AF comes soon. doing the jig for you!!

anna - great that you're feeling better after the op and are doing ok. woohoo!

mrsb - i pmed you. nimble and mrsb - we'll have to meet up some time maybe?!? dont know if that would be weird or not?!? "meeting the cyberladies"

marcia - oh you poor thing. hope you feel better soon!!! thanks for the accu info. very interesting!

jstrand - glad the accupressure went well!

vicky - hey, how you doing??

mandeeq - i really hope they dont cancel your cycle. will be keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you for friday!

pep - my accupuncturist doesnt tell me to get undressed. well, she asked me to take my top of for the ones in my back but i only roll legs up of my trousers. as to points, i have some underneath my big toes, ankles, shins, underneath rib cage in the middle (??), hands and back. guess, we're all slightly different. i worry that she's done none in my lower abdomen having read all the posts here....hhhmmmm...

hi to everyone else...sorry if ive missed anyone. second and third injection were so much easier and no problem at all. so thats all good. the only thing is that ive been feeling very nauseous and VERY tired since i started stimms. anyone else had that experience??

xxx

[JackieG]

Hi Ladies,

Do you mind if I join? I will start stims in about a week.

I go to acu too and I get needles in my wrist, ankles, calfs, head, ears abd belly by belly button and down by my ovaries.

I have been going for 3 months now and AF have been much smoother and ovulation (CM) is at day 12-14 in my cycle. I think its working great for me.

Yeah, its pretty hard giving up the coffee, alcohal not such a problem.

Hope you ladies are all doing great,

Talk soon,
JackieXX

[shantala]

jackie - welcome over here hunny!!! not long now till you start... u excited?? glad accu has been doing the trick for you. i must admit i'm sure that i would usually be a lot more stressed with all this so i think its working for me. i mean ive never done ivf before but i'm sure i would usually really be stressing over something like this and i feel fairly chilled out...well, sort of!!

just had a though - does anyone know if accu is advisable during the 2ww??

xxx

[JackieG]

Shantala,

My accu DR said that he would see me during the 2ww. I dont know what he will be working on what its good for, but I will aks him when I go next week.

Yep, Only 6 more days to go. It feels like forever!!

Glad your stims are going OK. I know it can be scary the 1st time.

How are you feeling?

[rae76]

Welcome, JackieG!!

About acu during the 2WW, I just happened to read a magazine article about that at my doctor's office the other day. The article covered studies conducted around the world concerning the role of acupuncture during IVF treatment. It seems that studies quite agree on acu being helpful right before/after the transfer, but there's not a lot of evidence that it would make any difference after that (one study even claimed that it might be harmful). But I know many acupuncturists advocate it during the 2WW as well.

I would definitely ask my doctor about this, as there doesn't seem to be clear evidence of it being helpful later on and some are even claiming otherwise.

[karia]

found this about acupuncture and thought it would interest the ladies who are having it Women undergoing fertility treatment could have their chances of success boosted by acupuncture.
German researchers said they have increased success rates by almost 50% in women having in vitro fertilisation (IVF).

The theory is that acupuncture can affect the autonomic nervous system, which is involved in the control of muscles and glands, and could therefore make the lining of the uterus more receptive to receiving an embryo.

But the scientists admit they do not know for certain why the complementary therapy helped, and plan to carry out more studies in a bid to find out.



If these findings are confirmed, they may help us improve the odds for our IVF patients achieving pregnancy

Dr. Sandra Carson, American Society of Reproductive Medicine
Fertility techniques are used to help couples who cannot conceive naturally.

The theory of acupuncture is based on pathways called meridians. Research has shown it can help relieve nausea caused by anaesthetics during surgery or chemotherapy and to relieve dental pain.

It may also help relieve other conditions including headaches and menstrual cramps.

'A useful tool'

A report published in the journal Fertility and Sterility found the pregnancy rate in the group receiving acupuncture group was 42.5%, compared to the group which did not receive the therapy, where the rate was 26.3%.

The German researchers worked with doctors at the Department of Traditional Chinese Medicine at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, China.

Of 160 women undergoing IVF, half received standard in vitro fertilisation, while half were given acupuncture treatments before and after.

The researchers chose acupuncture points which traditional Chinese medicine says relax the uterus.

They also used needles to stimulate meridians involving the spleen, stomach and colon, to improve blood flow and create "more energy in the uterus."

Key relaxation points were also stimulated.

The research team, led by Dr. Wolfgang Paulus and colleagues at the Christian-Lauritzen-Institut in Ulm, Germany, wrote in the journal: "Acupuncture seems to be a useful tool for improving pregnancy rate after assisted reproductive techniques.

They add: "To rule out the possibility that acupuncture produces only psychological or psychosomatic effects, we plan to use a placebo needle set as a control in a future study."

Such a study would involve people having needles inserted in the same way as in acupuncture, but not at the acupuncture points.

Dr. Sandra Carson, president-elect of the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, which publishes the journal, said: "If these findings are confirmed, they may help us improve the odds for our (in vitro fertilisation) patients' achieving pregnancy."
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[Mrs B]

Hi ladies just checked out your myspace pages mine is www.myspace.com/lisaandpaul04, it is really good to see you all, im just chilling out today reading paper and being really lazy

[nicolamark]

Hello. wow, ive had a mad w-end, all good stuff!!! been out with SIL today, had a lovely day, and last night me and DH had a lovely meal out, and had some loving fun laters!!!!



Nimble and Sonia! Thanks for helping with the list, i was worried about getting behind, as life is to busy, and time to get on line isn't easy soemtimes!!!

A huge Welcome to KANDICE & JACKIE G

Kandice, ace news about 17 follies!!

MANDEEQ sorry to hear about the lining being too thin! lets hope that friday brings joy! keep drinking the tea!!
Marcia, I hope u are over the Flu before you have to Down reg. Thats my fear, actaully. I pick up colds so easily, and so many ppl have had them at wrk.
GET WELL SOON!!!

Wow, everyone has myspace!! Many i should get my space too, feel kinda left out!!!
Parhaps, i'll do that in a moment!!!

x x

Love to all. Hope everyone's had a good w-end!! x x x

[nicolamark]

THIS IS OUR GROUP



AMANDA: Missouri, US (age25)
ANNA: Ohio, US (age33) PA in Cardiac Surgery
BIG WHITE DOG (Janice): Virginia, US (40) Interior Designer
BRIDGET JONES: Surrey, UK (age45)
CARBEV aka Caroline: Singapore
CHVONNE: Essex, UK
COCO: Winter wonderland, US (age37)
COOKHOLME: California, US (25) HR for Insurance Co.
HOLLY: The Netherlands.
IDONVITO aka Lisa: New York, US
JACKIE G: Illinios
JENN: Toronto (age28)
JILL (jstandlund): Minnesota, US (29)Mental Health Practitioner
KANDICE:
KAREN (moonk): Connecticut, US (28) Education Consultant
KARIA:
KARINA: Northern Ireland
KARINA1: Aberdeen, Scotland
KARMA_K: San Francisco Bay (age35)
KIA aka SHA: Portsmouth UK (age33) A&E Nurse
MANDEEQ: London, UK
MARCIA: Coventry, UK (age33)
MRS B: Reading, UK (age25)
NERMS: Middlesex, UK (age32)
NIMBLE aka Jackie: Surrey, UK (age38)
NICKI: Suffolk, UK (age31) Financal Advisor
PEP23(steph): Indianapolis, US (28)FinanceAnalyst@RollsRoyce
RAE: Dallas, US (age30) Translator
SHANTALA: Berkshire, UK (age21)
SHER8: Pennsylvania, US (38) Financial Marketing
SOKRU(Sonia): N.Carolina, US (33) Real Estate Agent
VICKY: Florida, US (age29) Own business in real estate.




WELCOME!



Welcome to JackieG & Kandice!!!



FUN STUFF…… NON-IVF RELATED STUFF THAT’S OCCURING!



NOW—Nerms—In dubai!
17 Feb—Holly- -Skiing holiday in France
24 Feb—Karma K -- B’day
5 Mar—Kandice—Wedd. Anni (2yrs)
24 Mar—Nicki and DH -- wedd.Anni (6yrs)
April—Karen -- 29th birthday this month
02 Oct—Nicki -- B’day!!!



WAITING FOR AF…..





NOW—Sokru—AF due
11 March -Vicky - AF due




WHERE AND WHAT WE ARE DOING, DURING IVF TMT.









NOW—Coco—BCP’s
NOW —Nerms--sniffing
NOW —Anna—Down regging
NOW—Pep--Injections
23 Feb—Mandeeq—Scan to check lining
24 Feb—Kia—Down regging
25 Feb—Nimble—Down regging
27 Feb—Bridget-- Scan
27 feb—Amanda- Trial transfer
28 feb—Karen – appt about IVF…
28 feb—Nicki—Blood results back!!!
1 Mar—Sokru—2nd IVF
1 Mar—Big happy Dog-starting IVF… (5th Time lucky)
1 Mar-- Nerms- Stimming
2 Mar—Shantala—Folly Scan!!
2 Mar—Steph--Stimms
4 Mar—Jill- Lupron
5 Mar-- Nicki- Down regging (sniffing)
5 Mar—Big white Dog—Baseline scan
5 Mar—Marcia—Down regging (Buserelin)
6 Mar—Nerms—Scan to check lining’s thin
6 Mar—Nerms—Injections start
MAR —Jenn—starting IVF
9 Mar—Holly—starting IVF injections
9 Mar—Amanda—Stimms
11 Mar—Vicky -- BCP’s
12 Mar—Nimble—Scan
12 Mar—Nerms—Follicle scan
13 Mar – Jill—base line scan
14 Mar—Nerms—Follicle Scan
14 Mar—Jill—Stimms
19/21/23 Mar—Jill - Scans
21 Mar—Nimble—Scan
22 Mar—Marcia—Start injections
23 Mar—Nimble--Scan
25 Mar—Nimble—Scan
31 Mar—Marcia—follicle scan
1 Apr—Karia—Starts sniffing
APRIL—Karina- Starting IVF in April now…..



EGG COLLECTION/ RETRIEVAL



1 Mar—Kandice—EC
5 Mar (ish) – Shantala—EC
12 Mar —Steph—EC
16 or 19 Mar—Nerms--EC
18 mar —Amanda—EC
Mid Mar—Chvonne –EC
23 Mar—Holly--EC
26 Mar —Nimble—EC
26 Mar —Kia – EC
28 Mar (ish) -- Nicki- EC
4 apr (ish) – Marcia-- EC




EMBRYO TRANSFER



8 Mar (ish) —Shantala—ET
15 Mar—Steph—ET
17 or 20 Mar—Nerms-- ET
21 Mar—Amanda—ET
28 Mar—Nimble—ET
29 Mar—Kia—ET
29/30 Mar—Blastocyst transfer
1 April -- Nicki – Blastocyst transfer
4 April—Marcia-- ET


FET




March—Mandeeq-- FET
2 March- Bridget Jones—FET
9 Mar- MrsB—FET
13 Mar—Katrina1--FET
End Mar—Carbev—FET
End Mar—Karen—FET
End Mar—sher—FET
End Mar—Cookholme—FET
End Apr—Vicky --FET


On the 2WW





TEST DATES



Shantala 20 March (ish)
Jill—9th April
Nimble— 11 April
Nicki- 11 April
Marcia—18 April


CONGRATULATIONS!!!! BFP!!!




30th Jan= RAE!!!! Natural BFP…… Congratulations Babe!!!

PREGNANT MARCH CYCLERS- DUE DATES





RAE- 8th October 07

[MarciaL-OurHope4Baby]

found this about acupuncture and thought it would interest the ladies who are having it Women undergoing fertility treatment could have their chances of success boosted by acupuncture.
German researchers said they have increased success rates by almost 50% in women having in vitro fertilisation (IVF).

The theory is that acupuncture can affect the autonomic nervous system, which is involved in the control of muscles and glands, and could therefore make the lining of the uterus more receptive to receiving an embryo.

But the scientists admit they do not know for certain why the complementary therapy helped, and plan to carry out more studies in a bid to find out.



If these findings are confirmed, they may help us improve the odds for our IVF patients achieving pregnancy

Dr. Sandra Carson, American Society of Reproductive Medicine
Fertility techniques are used to help couples who cannot conceive naturally.

The theory of acupuncture is based on pathways called meridians. Research has shown it can help relieve nausea caused by anaesthetics during surgery or chemotherapy and to relieve dental pain.

It may also help relieve other conditions including headaches and menstrual cramps.

'A useful tool'

A report published in the journal Fertility and Sterility found the pregnancy rate in the group receiving acupuncture group was 42.5%, compared to the group which did not receive the therapy, where the rate was 26.3%.

The German researchers worked with doctors at the Department of Traditional Chinese Medicine at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, China.

Of 160 women undergoing IVF, half received standard in vitro fertilisation, while half were given acupuncture treatments before and after.

The researchers chose acupuncture points which traditional Chinese medicine says relax the uterus.

They also used needles to stimulate meridians involving the spleen, stomach and colon, to improve blood flow and create "more energy in the uterus."

Key relaxation points were also stimulated.

The research team, led by Dr. Wolfgang Paulus and colleagues at the Christian-Lauritzen-Institut in Ulm, Germany, wrote in the journal: "Acupuncture seems to be a useful tool for improving pregnancy rate after assisted reproductive techniques.

They add: "To rule out the possibility that acupuncture produces only psychological or psychosomatic effects, we plan to use a placebo needle set as a control in a future study."

Such a study would involve people having needles inserted in the same way as in acupuncture, but not at the acupuncture points.

Dr. Sandra Carson, president-elect of the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, which publishes the journal, said: "If these findings are confirmed, they may help us improve the odds for our (in vitro fertilisation) patients' achieving pregnancy."
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Hi there

Thanks for sharing the info. It's the exact same reason why I started having Acu afrer one of my m/c's and it really sorted out my cycles. It was a total mess after the EP and wouldn't regulate itself. Since then I started having it on and off over the past 2 years, but mainly to help with any injectables cycles I was having. I couldn't go to my usual therapist as she's just had a baby, she knew all about fertility points, but refered me to a friend of her's and that's the acu fertilty specialist we're with now.

The Acupuncture clinic I'm at now is owned by a lady that specialises in acu for IVF and it's totally based around whatever a womans IVF programme. So we're hoping we're as luck as all her other patients that she's helped to get pg. She's got one that's pg at the moment, it's been aout a month for her, she was waiting to find out about another lady, and one lady had her 1st IVF and gave birth to twins in December, so no doubt she's the best one to be with . We said years ago that whenever we get pg again, we'd have acu throughout the pg, as I can't get past a few weeks, or nearly 2 months, and we know it's good to help your body sustain a pg, and I've seen women on tv that didn't have meds during labour, just acu and a little gas and air if needed.

Great to read all that info again though, just makes me even more confident that we've made the right decision .

I've not been upto much. Went to work, went veggie shopping as we were out of stuff like potatoes, carrots, kale for the guinea pigs. Then we went to the pet shop for some sawdust and treats and thought lets buy Toby our hamster a new cage. Then saw this beautiful Syrian hamster and bought him as well lol. So we now have our own menagerie of pets.

Gizmo my first ever pet, who's 4 this December - a Dutch dwarf. He was a rescue rabbit I had Xmas eve 2004, 2 days after a failed Injectables cycle so he was my first 'baby' and was about 18 months old at the time and tiny. We had 3 days to read up on how to look after a rabbit, learn all about the medical side of things, food, cleaning and was extremely exciting, as thought remembering to pack everything for a holiday. It was an exciting and mad few days before Xmas eve. Poor little thing was getting picked on by his sisters.


Then we had a chocolate brown, black and tan Rex Agouti Guinea pig named Fudge in June 2005 at 12 weeks old, but he sadly past away aged ten months old Christmas 2005 .
and the other side
He's buried in the garden in the new piggie house we'd bought him for Cristmas but never got to use. We pun him in with his fave treats and bedding he used to use.

Then by August we'd certainly got the pet bug, and needed to get a friend for Fudge, so we bought Panda, a Dutch dwarf Guinea pig at 10 weeks, and he's nearly 2 years old.
Then, in hubby's shirt pocket now .

In the Jan 2006 Panda was really lost without Fudge so the plan was to get another boy for him to play with, but we fell in love with these 12 week old Silver agouti rex twin girls, and they'd adopted a white Abyssinian cross 12 week old sister. We decided to buy the 3 as we couldn't split them up, and their health can deteriate if they're depressed or on their own. There was no way we could split the twins up, and it would be a shame to leave the baby one on her own.

So this is Honey


Biscuit


And Cotton


September we bought a Russian Winter White hamster we named Toby. They're called that because in the winter if it's cold enough they go totally white, and there's 3 shades you can buy. Toby is Saphire because his fur is a blue grey shade on top, and I'd bought a new gemstone Ring called Tobadralite which is a blue shade, so that's how the name came about.


And this is little Eddie we bought today. He's 9 weeks old and black and white with a brown patch in the crown of his head. We did start to call him Smudge because the shop assistant love the 'Smudge' of brown on his head she was saying. But that's too close to Fudge. He was snuggle in my arms here at home as I went to put him back in back he jump in. So hubby said we should call him Van Halen who wrote the song Jump lol. I asked him what the lead singer's name was, and he said Eddie, so that's what's we've decided...Eddie (smudge Van Halen) to keep the old man happy.


How's everyone else doing?

[nicolamark]

Marcia, how do u post pictures here???

[kia1973]

Hi ladies,

my, my hasn't it been busy on here over the weekend!!!!

well i have had major problems with getting on the net its taken all day yesterday and most of today to get the dam thing sorted!! DH came home for the weekend and was well impressed to be sat on the phone to a call centre for most of the weekend and of course as per normal... IT WAS ALL MY FAULT!!!!! always is when i comes to the computer!!
well i have finally started to Down Reg, god i forgot what those injections were like DH has done the first 2 but as he has now gone away agian for the week its down to me here goes sitting with the needle plucking up the bottle...
i have nothing to add on the acupuncture front as i'm not having it, not that i wouldn't mind trying it but not been able to find one in the area that has room to take me on DH has offered to do it for me but somehow i'm not that desparate to try it

mandeeq- hope everything goes ok for you honey, pray that your cycle doesn't get canceled

nimble How's the D/Reg going, did i read right that you start stims today?

Rae- how's things with you hope all is well, i'm so glad i had a chat with Dr, just got to trust them and hope all will go well

shantala- your well and your way now you must be getting soooooooo excited

Steph&Vicky hope that witch comes for you on time...

hi to everyone else and hope you all had a chilled out and stress free weekend.

[nicolamark]

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