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sassy---What about a blue shirt? Although that would take away from the blue stilleto’s. Ummm, never mind. lol The blue did look good against the pink background. I’m down for whatever color. I don’t really have a preference.

Now as far as The Secret…Let’s be real, the reason it’s causing such a stir is because the authors were on Oprah and other television shows and talk shows. People listen to Oprah. People listen to the media. It’s called advertising. lol Someone told me about it a long time ago, but I didn’t give much thought to it. I have no idea why they make it seem like it’s been hidden for years and no one wanted to share it. I think that is also advertising….people like a scandal. They want to be in on the latest, hottest thing that people try to keep others from getting. It’s like a new weight loss pill or something. Personally, I think they just recently decided to give it a “glorified” name….other than “positive thinking.” As a matter of fact, my mom has been living her life like this for years. She always tells me to put out into the universe what I wanted. Not sure where she got the idea from but…I have heard her say it half my life. I’ve just been the negative person who really didn’t take heed to it until recently. I have always thought…expect the worst so you won’t be too disappointed. That has been my philosophy for many years. But I have no idea why it’s call the “The Secret”…when it really isn’t a secret. Or maybe it is to some who have never heard of it. Who knows? But, plenty of people know about it and have been living their lives in this respect for some years now. To say that is has been hidden is a bunch of baloney. Now I don’t agree or believe in everything that is said in The Secret. Like I said, there are some things that are just going to happen that are out of our control no matter what we think, feel, ask, believe, receive…etc. I just think it’s a nice way to have more PMA. As far as the woman healing herself from cancer with laughter and positive thinking…hmmm, not sure about that one. Also, how do we know that is the truth? How do we know that laugher and positive thinking “really” did cure her? How do we know she’s not just saying that to sell more books and DVD’s? I mean there are cases of medical miracles so, who knows. I couldn’t tell you if it were true or not. I believe there is an explanation for everything…whether or not “we” know the actual explanation is another thing. You can’t believe everything. I like to believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see. lol

I do believe that if I focus on negativity then negative things will happen. I feel this way because this has been the case for ME in the past. So now I chose to think positively and visualize it happening. The other way of thinking was not working for me so why not try something different.

Now, do I believe that a person should just think, feel or ask their illness away….I don’t think so. But if that’s what they want to do, who am I to judge. Would I? No. But I do believe that they can think of their illness in a positive light. In other words, think and feel about getting better while going to the doctor and taking medication and treatment. I think there has to be an action. Thinking positively when going thru chemo or before heading to surgery. That’s what the secret means to me. Not sitting at home willing your illness away. It’s about thinking, feeling and actions. Every action has a reaction. I honestly don’t think the secret is just saying to “think” anything away. I didn’t get that if it did. 

I agree that it has been so dramatic and sensationalized. Someone is just making money off of what people already know or knew. And yes, I am one of them. lol I wanted to hear more about it so I purchased the DVD. I’m glad that I did. I don’t have any regrets about it because I feel that it is helping me. Now it might not help everyone but everyone is different. I have to do what I think is best for me. Not what someone else thinks is best for me. Now if it works for me getting my BFP…then wonderful, if not…I will keep being positive until it comes! If that’s how I chose to live my life…who’s right is it to say I am wrong and vice versa for those that don’t agree with what I believe. Like I said, you have to do what’s best for you and handle your situations the way you see fit.

Now for someone to say to me that’s the reason I am not pregnant yet….those are fighting words! I totally disagree! Maybe it’s because I am dealing with Infertility problems and it sickens me that someone would say that to me! I don’t think any of us would ask for this. I don’t think our thinking has anything to do with our IF. Honestly, I think someone had to go thru IF and we just happen to be the unfortunate ones to get it. I really don’t know why “I” have endometriosis, fibroids, luteal phase defect and am having trouble getting pregnant. My aunt seems to believe that our ancestors were sluts and that’s why we have reproductive issues. That’s her little way of dealing with it. lol She has the same problems and was not able to conceive. In regards to the secret and woman dealing with infertility, I think it is saying to ask for a baby, believe it, and receive it. To do that, you think about that you want, develop feelings about it and take actions to achieving it. Which is what we are all doing..going thru IVF. Is the secret the cure to IF….hell to the nah! But it is a way to handle the 2ww. lol I see the secret as an explanation on how to handle situations that you are currently in. Not that your thinking is what got you into the situations. But how your thinking (along with the other principles) can help you change the situations. Does that make sense? But there is the opposite that you are referring to. I see your point about people saying your (or our) thinking is the reason why you (and I) are not pregnant yet. Hmmm…..

I am interested in the names of the books, please share.

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Wanna: hey, thanks for responding to my questions about the secret... we agree on pretty much everything. There has been a lot of discussion on another IVF forum that where i lurk occasionally but never post. I find this topic fascinating as i have become passionate about the changes that occured in my life when i changed my perspective on things.
wannababyIVF wrote:I do believe that if I focus on negativity then negative things will happen. I feel this way because this has been the case for ME in the past. So now I chose to think positively and visualize it happening.
I totally agree with that, as it has also been my experience. Now, i guess i don't know if changing my general perspective has necessarily changed what happens to me (although, now that i write this... to be honest... i guess i will never know! :wink: ), but it has definitely changed how i SEE and FEEL about the things that happen to me.
wannababyIVF wrote:Now it might not help everyone but everyone is different. I have to do what I think is best for me. Not what someone else thinks is best for me. Now if it works for me getting my BFP…then wonderful, if not…I will keep being positive until it comes! If that’s how I chose to live my life…who’s right is it to say I am wrong and vice versa for those that don’t agree with what I believe. Like I said, you have to do what’s best for you and handle your situations the way you see fit.
I hope you didn't feel i was being judgmental of you (i know, with the typing, we lose all the nonverbal cues :roll: ). I think MOST IMPORTANTLY in situations like IVF, women need to do whatever works best for them... as so much is out of our control, and what is normally a very intimate act between dh and dw becomes an invasive medical procedure. And i am hoping that women who now have learned these principles as a result of them being so publicized, will not only find a path to happier lives, but also to pregnancy.
WannababyIVF wrote: Not that your thinking is what got you into the situations
WannababyIVF wrote:... I see your point about people saying your (or our) thinking is the reason why you (and I) are not pregnant yet. Hmmm…..
I guess this is where i get caught up. Now, in the interest of full disclosure... i am the ultimate when it comes to blaming myself and beating myself up about things (i am still working on this :wink: )... and that is probably why i get sensitive when i feel that others are joining in :lol: . But that is what i am concerned about, as i have been feeling some of that coming from some people who are real excited about the secret. I guess really the issue i have with this is not so much the actual principles, or that others follow it as they see fit... its more that i already feel that it has been used by others to justify why i am not preg... therefore putting the blame on me.

I guess, as i believe in God, i also believe in the concept of faith (which in many ways is strikingly similar to the secret). I think that action is an important part of faith, and i think you touched on that... i go through IVF, concentrate on the blessings in my life (ooooo, gratitude... i think this is SO powerful!) and do my part, and believe that as i do this, things will happen in my life as they need to. But i guess i was feeling like they were saying (mostly in regards to the lady w/cancer) that it is really mostly just how you think i.e., if you are doing these things right... you will get what you want no matter what. Maybe i should rewatch that part, maybe i was taking it all too personally. :roll:

I am curious... i watched the online version, and i understand the dvd one is a bit longer... do you remember what things they talked about on the dvd but not on the online version? Just curious.

As for the books... the first one i read that really got the ball rolling for me was "You Can Be Happy No Matter What" by Richard Carlson (cheesy title... but man as someone who was stuck in the past, negative thinking, and had no concept that i had control over it... the concepts have changed my life). The second book by him that is also very good is called "You Can Feel Good Again" (again, what is with the cheesy titles?!). Now this is kind of sort of a sequel. In the beginning, he goes over the major concepts in the first book, but expands upon them. So if you are just going to get one... get the second. If you are real interested in the topic, might be best to read both. I have read them each a couple of times. I have read several books similar to these, but i think these were the most helpful for me.

Thanks for the discussion!!!!
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ummmmm. this is weird. I wrote a post... on this thread... and now it is gone. hmmmm. for all i know i posted it on some other thread or forum :roll: . SOOOO, let me try this again...

Vicky: woohoo! loved seeing your pictures. i LOVE the color of sanson's fur.. yum, i love the color of chocolate (i think my seratonin level goes up just looking at something the same color!). You and dh make a very good looking couple. See, i love seeing pictures of people on the threads... i had you tagged as having real dark hair...

For anyone who hasn't seen me and dh... my flicker photo site is www.flickr.com/photos/aunt_sassy. I had to take it off my signature to make room for my all-important dental ticker :lol: . For those who have visited it before... probably nothing new since you were there.. hoping to add some soon...

oooo, and if anyone sees this post somewhere random like the march or april threads... please let me know :wink: !
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Post by AuntyPebbles »

Hey there everyone.....i know the errant poster is here, not been around much latley..

just new the only place i could come and vent and be ok was here with you all....so on that note

bite my a@@ friggin fertiles and while your at it stick your "oh it wasnt meant to be's"and "life must go on" up your jacksee....thank you..ooo feels better..

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Go Auntie~Great rant!

I like the pink shirts, but I'm not too picky. Gotta Go!
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woohoo!!! An aunty-rant! Short and to the point! Fab. And, honorable mention for nice use of swear words. You (and your rants) are always welcome here :wink:

go aunty, go aunty, go aunty...Image
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Ha....Sassy..you fit your name. You look like a Sassy! You and your DH are so cute together. Has anyone ever told you that you resemble? lol

It's funny I ran home today to reread what I posted about the secret. I was thinking all the way home....I hope I didn't offend Sassy by anything I said. Sometimes I hate email because you don’t know how the person reading it is interpreting what you are saying. :-( I apologize if I did or if I weren’t sensitive to your feelings. That’s not how I felt at all. As a matter of fact I agree with all you said. Especially the part of us being to blame for IF.

I am by no means The Secret spokesperson. lol I just took bits and pieces (that I like or agree with) and interpret it the way I want. lol Then put it into practice the way that works for me. lol :wink: The other parts I just ignore. hehehe...

Now I’m not sure how to quote what you wrote and paste it to say Sassy wrote but I did copy and paste. lol I totally agree on the: “And i am hoping that women who now have learned these principles as a result of them being so publicized, will not only find a path to happier lives, but also to pregnancy. “

I am now thinking about this: "But that is what i am concerned about, as i have been feeling some of that coming from some people who are real excited about the secret. I guess really the issue i have with this is not so much the actual principles, or that others follow it as they see fit... its more that i already feel that it has been used by others to justify why i am not preg... therefore putting the blame on me" That definitely got me to thinking. Hmmm, as I am not the Secret expert, I'm not sure how to explain that one. I will probably continue to ignore it. Maybe I need to contact someone and ask. I would love to hear someone explain how our thoughts and actions lead us to have IF. I think a butt whipping might come after that conversation. :lol:

I didn’t watch the online version. Just the DVD. I just took from it what I liked...but that's so typical of me. lol If you want to know more about it, just let me know.

On another note, I came up with a song for my little ones. Too much free time on my hands. I think this 2ww (ok 8 days) is making me go insane! lol But anyway, here it is.

Stick to the Wall and Grow
Stick to the Wall and Grow
Come on little Embryos…Stick to the Wall and Growwwwwwwwwwww!

Now all together. :lol:

Ok, off to bible study I go (another helpful distraction). I’ll try and chat later. Have to watch the episode of 24 I missed last night first though. :cry:

P.S. DH just said that he was going to break the computer because I don’t give him any attention anymore. :cry: Such a hater! I told him I was going to tell on him! So here it is…in case I need a witness in court. Cause if he breaks the computer….there might be problems.
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I think I'm going insane. I just do not feel like myself anymore. I have been reading you guys, just haven't had the energy to post. And nothing really to say, I suppose. Still feeling sick. I have another doctor's appointment tomorrow, which isn't helping anything. I just get so nervous that something is going to go wrong. I'm going to try to think more positively...The Secret has inspired me (as well as the great conversation about it...)

Anyway, sorry for the boring post. I'm telling you all---I'm just not myself. Hopefully will be feeling funnier later!
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Vicky - Sorry I wasn't around at all today, just the crappiest day at work E.V.E.R!

I grew up in South Florida, Boca to be exact -but I promise I am not a BOOOOOOOCA Biaytch or anything, promise! No Bocahontas here! Actually that is one of the many reasons that me and DH left there, and we are lovin' Gainesville! So different than Ft. Lauderdale :)

Wanna - That in interesting about The Secret, I hadn't even heard about it, but I guess I am sort of enthralled with work, I'd love more information on it, if you don't mind!

Sass - Loved the pictures, your puppy is totally adorable!!! I love me some Chocolate Labs! We have a Brittany Spaniel, his name is Whiskey (officially - Whiskey Bourbon Margarita) Hee hee... I promise my DH and I aren't lushes! :)

To Everyone: Thank you so much for allowing me to rant! I know it means alot to me, but it also means alot to my DH, as he's been able to not have to face the wrath of my emotions.

Today is our anniversary, and he's not home - he went to his business partners to discuss a new venture... but ya know I am okay with that, as now I have some ME time. 8)

You all TOTALLY ROCK!
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Please join us Aunty - your rant was "right on"! I like to respond to those, "If its meant to be... people with a , "So I am not meant to have more kids, but you are? "Please explain." It usually shuts them up. I am also starting to have some negative un"secret" like feelings for those girls who keep posting with a "join us on the other side" after every bfp...
You know what sisters, I might just be a total beotch.

I think the pink is cute for the shirts, but lets face it girls - we will look good in ANYTHING. (that is the secret talking)
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mego - eat some ice cream - it will take the edge off.
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amy wrote: "If its meant to be... people with a , "So I am not meant to have more kids, but you are? "Please explain." It usually shuts them up. I am also starting to have some negative un"secret" like feelings for those girls who keep posting with a "join us on the other side" after every bfp...
OMG! I totally aggree!! I used to say all in God's time, I'll get pregnant - it's in God's plan. So I am tired of waiting and I am taking life by the horns and making it happen in my time! GOSH DARN IT! And gosh, if I didn't, than I'd never be a mommy!

Isn't that a God Given right to be a mommy! And if it was meant to be for these people to become doctors to help people like us get pregnant than HECK it's meant to be! And it's meant for me (well us!) :)

Rant over!

I am about to call them Melissa's Rant of the day - officially stepping off my soap box!

So when are we going to DC!
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oooo girls, the thread is rockin' tonight! :D

Wanna: Nope, i wasn't offended at all. I am pretty hard to offend (that is, i suppose unless i am in the 2ww), and usually only when insensitive fertiles say insensitive things... or people tell me what i "should" be feeling or how i "should" be dealing with my IF. I found our discussion to be very interesting... and respectful (you should see how these girls have been going at it on the other website :shock: ). I appreciate hearing what others think about it. Have decided, like i think you are saying, to take the good parts of it, and hope that my concerns re: how fertiles may use the secret "against" us doesn't become a big problem. The three people who have mentioned it.... well, i have to say, i would have expected it of them :? .
wannababyIVF wrote:P.S. DH just said that he was going to break the computer because I don’t give him any attention anymore. Such a hater! I told him I was going to tell on him! So here it is…in case I need a witness in court. Cause if he breaks the computer….there might be problems.
Oh no he di'nt *she says with 3 snaps*. Tell him "don't be hatin'!" (btw: if you want to reply w/ a quote, click on the quote button at top of each post and it automatically puts the whole post into a reply post. there are code brackets before and after the text. If you copy those, you can quote separate parts...)

Amy: you go girl!!!
amy wrote:"If its meant to be... people with a , "So I am not meant to have more kids, but you are? "Please explain." It usually shuts them up. I am also starting to have some negative un"secret" like feelings for those girls who keep posting with a "join us on the other side" after every bfp... You know what sisters, I might just be a total beotch.
Yeah, so i also have an issue w/this (surprise, surprise :lol: ). As for insensitive "infertiles", you don't want to get me started on that. so onto insensitive fertiles... This fits into my theory.. things people say to dismiss us as we make them uncomfortable. (oooo, i sound very self-pitying right now, don't I? ummmm, ok, i'll go w/it!). I think people just don't know what to say to us. Sometimes i think people mean well, but may have no idea how insensitive their remarks are... and sometimes i think by telling us it isn't meant to be, it is a way to minimize our suffering. You know, by dismissing it as 'not meant to be', then they don't have to have empathy for a couple who despite their best efforts, are unable to attain something they themselves can produce in the back of a car. Am i making sense at all? If not, i plead the "codeine defense" ooooo, i happen to like "Amy the total beotch" :lol:

Melissa: actually, i would love to take sanson home with me... but the puppy is Vicky's :wink: . Ummmm, i'm thinking cherry blossom season would be a fab time to march on washington!!!

Mego: sorry to hear you are "blah". Truly un-meg-like. but we all have those days... and your body has been taken over by a "squatter" as my sis calls her embryos/fetuses :lol: , so i imagine that is to be expected. Sorry to hear you are still anxious about the appts... please let us know how it goes tomorrow! Hmmm. do they make sisterhood tshirts in maternity sizes???? :lol:

OK, i say we take a vote (unless you just want to pick your own color t-shirt). some of you have said if you have a color preference. those who haven't, let me know. I haven't actually checked out the sherbert color, so i will do that tonight.

*ping* *ping* *echo* *echo*. where are those aussies and patie? (oh, i suppose it is middle of the night for patie... so she gets a pass :wink: )
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Oops sorry Sassy... I knew I'd mess that up somewhere! Duh!

And I totally agree! Let's go during Cherry Blossom season and book a fabulous B&B!
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Geez it's almost lunch time and I've not been able to get on here yet...stupid clients. I did however manage to eat my lunch about two hours ago...

Now Patie, I think I want to hang onto my title for a bit longer. I love the attention and the smug feeling it gives me. As time goes by I believe that I will have to go into "confinement" - I think that royals don't like to be seen when too prego. When that happens I will annoint my successor. Good luck with your Karotyping. It would be nice to have two proven chromasomally normals amongst us.

Wanna, from memory, and I think I recall some of Ghosts postings, 8 days after transfer would be about the earliest you can do an HPT reliably so why do it to yourself any earlier??? Not long to go now. I'm on the edge of my seat. In terms of my mate, well I "fell asleep" on the way home last night and endured another fairly frosty ride in this morning.. however my mate came into my office this morning and cleared the air, we had a frank discussion about each other's shortcomings and have thankfully moved on, all is forgiven and I will be borrowing one of her handbags this weekend (and she gave me a biscuit, I'll forgive anyone if they give me food). Luckily for her I did not need to involve the Attorney General in the dispute, that would have taken things to a whole nother level....

Now Vicky and Sass, you and your respective DH's are very good looking couples. Being superficial that means a lot to me. A couple of years ago, when DH and I realised that our looks may be fading we decided to really try to get fit and become a good looking power couple. We figured that good looking people get more good things happen to them so we wanted to try it out (would that be in keeping with the Secret principles??). Well it was a good idea at the time. All I can say is DH is letting the team down badly - remember his gut in the cycling shirt???

And now onto this whole Secret/ positive thinking scenario. Me and DH have become quite negative over the past few years and I seemed to recall hearing that you could train yourself to eliminate that trait. I wanna be like Sass and adjust my thinking, focus on the now instead of the past...I think it would be great. I'm gonna look up some of those books because I'm sick of being grumpy.

Sass hope you're feeling better, still hopped up on coedeine?? As far as colour for the T-Shirt goes I'm thinking anything except yellow???

Amy, does that Mom know that you're the Attorney General. Man, what a thin skinned psycho. Glad to hear you gave her some stick, but it sucks when you can't have a full blown cow at the woman (don't want to compromise one's job security during the e-bay phase) - and congrats on the ceiling fan - woo hoo, Why don't you have a very critical look at your house and start stripping back to basics. Do you really need internal door handles? I say no, actually do you need internal doors, negative again. I think we just found you some more stock for the shop.

Mego sorry to hear that the little girl is giving you grief. I think you might have a diva on your hands. Have you thought of names. My sister insisted that my kid is going to be called Sean Preston whether its a boy or a girl. Since we live in different countries I don't mind if you take that name, although I think someone else in America may have taken it first come to think of it.....I'm with Amy a creamy dairy treat is just the ticket to restore your edge. If not take it easy, let us know you're still alive and start firing up when you're up to it.

Melissa, am loving your ranting style, you've slotted in very nicely...

And Aunty, fantastic that you've dropped in. I'm sure that you realise that we do condone violence on this thread for the mealy mouthed fertiles who plague us from time to time. If you want us to put together a hit-team for those punters let us know and we'll be right on it.

Ange, where are you??? Busy breaking stimming records no doubt...

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