Clinic Live Birth Rates

[Emma27]

I have just come across the HFEA website so i thought that i would look at my hospitals live birth rates, well i wish i had not now!!

My hospital only has a 11.8% live birth rate for fresh cycles and 7.5% live birth rate for FET??

This is really low?????? this does not inspire me for my treatment??

[Ghost]

In the US, that would be considered very low, unless you are over 40. Not sure about Europe. I've heard their rates are lower because they do more single embryo transfers and milder stimulations. I also occasionally hear it's because the insurance over there will pay for six cycles (???) and therefore clinics don't want patients getting pregnant the first time. It hurts repeat business. Not sure how much of this is true. Regardless of the cause, I've heard their rates are lower, but I don't know how much. I agree that paying for a low chance of success and a great chance of disappointment requires careful thought.

[JustinesBaby]

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[k]

Hi Emma

The clinic I used have quite good success rates. I went to Calderdale (Halifax) which is a satelite centre for Leeds General or St James, Leeds. (Calderdale do all the scans, dispense the drugs etc, but EC and ET are done at Leeds). I also have friends who went to Calderdale but had EC and ET at a Manchester clinic. (Not sure where though. They now have twins).

Ive just checked success rates for 2004 to 2005. They give 29.3% for IVF, 38.3% for ICSI and 27.7% for FET. This was for 263 cycles. The previous year FET success rates were higher than IVF at 34.5%.

Try this link:
http://www.cht.nhs.uk/index.php?id=258

Dont know if this info helps, but it is probably one of the nearest clinics to you if you were thinking of changing. The staff are lovely at Calderdale as well!

Love Kim

[shantala]

Hi Emma

I find the HFEA website (the regulatory body in the UK - for the US people on here) very out of date.

Take our clinic for example:

The live birth rates are 26% for under 35's on the HFEA website but if you scroll to the bottom of the page it says that "Statistics based on treatments between 1 January 04 and 31 December 04". Now, that is nearly 4 years out of date and as we all know the success rates generally have increased over the last couple of years, let alone 4years!!

on my clinic's website, however, the newest stats for 2007 show that the rates for under 35's is 44.4%. a considerably difference to 26%!!!!!!

so please try not to worry too much about the hfea's website. its VERY out of date!!!

hope this helps!

xxx

ps: you're probably better off asking your clinic directly what their latest success rates are.

x

[shantala]

forgot to say my clinic is oxford fertility unit.

xx

[Ghost]

... it says that "Statistics based on treatments between 1 January 04 and 31 December 04". Now, that is nearly 4 years out of date and as we all know the success rates generally have increased over the last couple of years, let alone 4years!!

Interesting.

The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) also publishes national and clinical success rates that are currently from 2004. Yet the CDC received our data a year ago, and the Society for Advanced Reproductive Technology (SART) published the 2005 results 11 months ago. A month from now, SART will publish the 2006 results, and the CDC will publish 2005.

[nicaliw]

I don't know if going overseas is an option for any of you but I know quite a few people come from overseas to the clinic I am using. I go to Colorado Center for Reproductive Medicine and their success rates are very good.
http://www.colocrm.com/
In 2005 (recent years not totally published yet) under 35 years had 60.5% live birth rate, 35-37 yrs had 46.4% live birth rate, ....here's a link for all ages.
http://www.colocrm.com/rates2005.htm


I know you can do a telephone conference and have your protocol managed by the doctors here, then you'd need to make a trip to Denver for the final stages. A flight typically costs anywhere from 400 pounds to 600 pounds. (I'm from the UK but live in Denver). That's a small price to pay I think, plus you could make it into a holiday. Just an idea, I know others are doing it. I'm sure other clinics in the US have just as good success rates, you can check rates on the CDC website.

Good luck to you all! I'm set for embryo transfer tomorrow, I got fantastic results so far...24 eggs, 20 were mature, 16 fertilized and all 16 are dividing well. This is my first cycle and the truth lies in the pregnancy test though, so fingers crossed.

[vickersx3]

Come to OKC, OK...This is where we are going right now. Here are their numbers.

https://www.sartcorsonline.com/rptCSR_P ... cPKID=2022

[vickersx3]

nicaliw - Holy cow!! Thats the highest I have ever seen and they do twice as many cycles as my clinic.

https://www.sartcorsonline.com/rptCSR_P ... cPKID=1902

[nicaliw]

Hey vickersx3, looks like your clinic has excellent stats also. I wonder sometimes if the higher success rates simply reflect the doctors that are more likley to turn someone away because of their poor chances. I have heard that some doctors will turn women away that they think will affect their success rates. What do you think?

Nikki

[vickersx3]

Hey vickersx3, looks like your clinic has excellent stats also. I wonder sometimes if the higher success rates simply reflect the doctors that are more likley to turn someone away because of their poor chances. I have heard that some doctors will turn women away that they think will affect their success rates. What do you think?

Nikki

100% agree...I had read on another message board that our RE has turned down women if they are overweight. My wife is 5'4 120 so I guess we made the cut.

[Ghost]

Hey vickersx3, looks like your clinic has excellent stats also. I wonder sometimes if the higher success rates simply reflect the doctors that are more likley to turn someone away because of their poor chances. I have heard that some doctors will turn women away that they think will affect their success rates. What do you think?

Nikki

That's an excellent point. It's widely said that many clinics screen patients in order to get their success rates up. They might push patients into donor cycles who might have a decent chance of success with their own.

I've heard the clinic in Colorado publishes the highest rates in the world. Competence or patient screening? I'd guess both. Even with patient screening, you can't do that well without knowing your business. The embryology lab in Colorado has an outstanding reputation.

Note that their success rates with frozen and donor cycles are also well above average.

Another clinic that has impressed me is in Iowa:

https://www.sartcorsonline.com/rptCSR_P ... cPKID=1931

Their rates are high, but notice they transfer fewer embryos than most. This should keep the twin and triplet rates down. Good move.

I have no affiliation with any of these clinics.

[nicaliw]

yes, Ghost, I actually have a friend who was turned away from my clinic because her chances of conceiving weren't good. She went to another clinic and they weren't successful, in the end she went to her regular OB/GYN and asked them to do IUI's which they did. She only produced one follicle and decided to go ahead anyway and that produced her one little boy!!! Quite an interesting story I think.

[Ghost]

yes, Ghost, I actually have a friend who was turned away from my clinic because her chances of conceiving weren't good. She went to another clinic and they weren't successful, in the end she went to her regular OB/GYN and asked them to do IUI's which they did. She only produced one follicle and decided to go ahead anyway and that produced her one little boy!!! Quite an interesting story I think.

I find patient screening disgusting. I'm glad my clinic does not do it.