Jan/Feb 08 Cycle Buddies

[riogirl71]

21bat- chin up, I will be praying for your embies! Maybe you can post a separate post for Ghost? He seems to know a lot, I have no idea what fragmenting means. Again, my 2 cents is I would be more aggressive and do 2, but that's me, I just feel like we go through so much, I wanted my chances to be higher. Keep in mind that natural embies can also be fragmented, how do we even know? I am sure it happens that some embies with low cell and fragmentation end up gorgeous babies! We just end up finding too many details of this whole process!
Loopie- thanks for the BFP wishes, how have you been? Symptoms in 2WW?
Mia- Superbaby! My DH thinks I am additced to this site also!
Tammy - how are you doing?
Weezie - Superbaby for you too!!!
Rin/jomae- updates?
Katie/Kbear - hang in there! PMA! BFP for all of us!

[21bat]

rio - how do i post a question for ghost? who's that? like a professional? sorry, i am confused

oh, i just read something abotu ICSI abot birth defects and ICSI that maybe you girls can help me with. It says that the reason for the birth defects is because of the low quailty sperm. so since my husband has good sperm, does that mean that the ICS embryo is just as good as the non-ICSI embryo? or does the ICSI process actually do something to make it a less favorable option??
have any of you read anyting on this issue?

[TammyS]

Bat: I have done alot of googling on the whole ICSI thing and the chances of birth defects from it are sooooo low ...you really have nothing at all to worry about. The usual % of birth defects is from 1-4 %....from what they can tell it only increases to 1.3-4.5% or something really really close to that. I dont remember where I read that. But I found this for you: In the general population, the risk of sex chromosome abnormalities is about 2 in every 1000 births (0.2%). With IVF-ICSI, the rate of sex chromosome abnormalities is estimated to be about 6 in every 1000 births (0.6%). These types of abnormal chromosomes can lead to a variety of defects but virtually all chromosomal abnormalities can be diagnosed by prenatal genetic testing (CVS or amniocentesis). It went on to say due to male chromosome problems.

Fragmentation....pretty normal in most embryos...ranging from slight to severe. Most women and clinics do not worry which embryos are being transferred...ICSI or not....It just doesnt matter. The difference is so small and it is like saying ...I am afraid to get pregnant being close to 40 due to the chances of Down Syndrome...and I am not even 40 yet. Does that make sence?

It is good that you are learning and investigating everything...and hopefully this will give you some peace of mind. To be honest with you...I would...most of us here would...the docs will tell you.....who cares if it is ICSI or not...transfer the best 1 (or 2) embryos you have...based on the embryologist's professional opinion. That is what we pay them the big bucks for. I would definetly transfer 2 however, my doc says the chances at your age are 1 will take ....1 wont. Especially since like you said there is some fragmentation and not the highest of quality. Good Luck...and I hope this helps. I can just feel how scared and sad you feel...in my heart.

Rinnie: You go girl!!! You have a fighter in there and it is gonna happen for you girl!

Rio: I am sooo sad that I am gonna be gone when you get the news and I will have to wait a few hours to hear! Ugh. I wanta know now...go pee girl!!!! Do It for me!!! LOL Just Kidding. Good Luck tomorrow! You are soooo strong...even with me tempting you!

Loopie: I am here and doing good....I had to work today...first day back in awhile. I tried to take it easy....but boy was my back just killing me!
I went to acupuncture afterwards. I feel much more relaxed and he send some extra oxygen and blood to my uterus....he taught me how to meditate and visualize my embies sticking and implanting. It was really cool. I am sorry that I have been MIA ....but my aunt (mom) who raised me ....after my mom died....was admitted to the hospital last night an hour away and we went down last night to find out what was going on. She has a staph infection (maybe due to being diabetic) in her leg and will be on IV antibiotics for 4 or more days in the hospital ...then sent home to do IV's at home for weeks. I am really scared but trying to remain calm about it. She has always been there for me. So last night we took the PIO shot to the hospital and did it in the bathroom of my aunts room. LOL I thought of all you golden needle girls...and had to laugh.

To everyone....much love and babydust. So much going on and it is a very exciting week!!!

[waitingforMia]

21bat: ICSI and birth defects: theory is as I understand it... sometimes a sperm looks great, but it could have some chromosomal abnormalities that would have prevented it from getting into the egg. With ICSI though the sperm is forced in ready or not. But i have heard that the chances of that are so low it is not really something we should worry about. Sunday will be day 5 right? I mean for a day 5 one good emby is really all you need. Ghost is a IVF researcher that will respond to a post. Just post a new topic and write Attn Ghost: Fragmentation Question. Then write the question. Sorry I can't be of more help I am thinking of you tonight!

MP

[21bat]

Tammy,
thanks so much for all the helpful info!!! you're right, we'll just need to transfer the best, ICSI or not. and abotu 1 vs 2 embryos...i am up for doing 2, now it's a matter of convincing the husband

hope your aunt feels better!!

how are you feeling?

i have you tell you girls abou what happened just now! my husband gave me the PIO shot today and he must have hit a blood vessel, because when he pulled out the needle, blood started gushing out!!!! there was blood everywhere - floor, all over my leg...it was crazy! i called the nurse and she said it's not really a big deal, just make sure to pull back on the plunger before injecting next time and the body might just absorb the injection quicker than normal.
anyway, that was my scare today.

hope you're all doing well. i'm going through and catching up on the posts from today. you've all been busy!!

[TammyS]

Bat: I just remembered that you are doing a 5 day...so you should have a blast. 1 good blast is great and all you should need!!! If it makes it to blast or close to it....whether it is icsi or not....it doesnt even matter....it means it is a good embryo! You are gonna be fine...and PUPO in no time!!!

[21bat]

Mia,
thanks, i'll post an email to ghost. you girls have all been so helpful, i really appreciate it!!

yes, sunday will be day 5. but i think there's a chance that the one good one may not be good anymore on day 5....but no negative thoughts!i need to stay positive! it's really hard today though, i'm really pesimistic today. sorry to bring you all down

[21bat]

Tammy,
i guess i'm confused about the blast...can you explain?
i feel stupid asking but my doc hasn't been so helpful!

[TammyS]

Bat: I am still feeling woozy and not sure why. We borrowed a blood pressure cuff from Dh's nephew...cause I just remembered that at the Egg Retrieval ...my bp was really low. So maybe that is why I am woozy. I have taken a couple of readings and it is all over the place. Otherwise I am feeling fine.... and still bloated.

[TammyS]

Bat: Each day your embryo grows and developes ...by day 5 ...most embryos if they have survived are at what is called a blast stage or close to it ...when they hatch so to speak and are ready for implantation any day after that. It is just the term for the stage they are normally in at day 5. Usually at day 3 ...for your age ...transferring 2 is the norm. At day 5 ....for your age...transferring 1 is risky but the odds are pretty good. Now, this all depends on what the embryologist and your doc says....about your embryo quality. You wont know this till you get there. When you get there the morning of transfer...or if they make you decide the night before...ask them their odds and success rates for their clinic...ask them their professional opinion on the number to transfer. Explain that you want 1 ...without having multiples. If for your particular case...and only your docs knows the whole story...say go for 2...then do it. Trust your docs.

This is how we came up with our number to transfer. We knew we were borderline for 2 or 3 to be transferred on day 3....cause I am 39. We knew if the quality was perfect ....we were going only 2. There were 2 8 cells grade B and with a little frag. These are actually good day 3 embies...just not perfect. So we knew that we would add one more to the bunch. We added a 6 cell grade 1 to the mix. The docs gave me the odds of 40% chance of getting pregnant and a very small chance of having twins or triplets. He basically said for my situation...transfer 3 ...hope for 1.

No question is stupid. Ask away.

[jomae]

Hi Ladies
Hey SUGA if i knew haw to fancy up the writing i would for your BFP CONGRATULATIONS what a great start for the thread all the best.

Kimbers and cincinnatidreams sorry its delayed but welcome i hope all is well for both of you. Cin when pregnant with Ds my boobs were so then not then sore again then not so i'm sure it's nothing to worry about.

Kbear i'm sorry your feeling pressured and stressed about the outcome it would be so much easier if we could take the money side of things out of the equation wouldn't it. i'm glad you were able to confide in your work mates it helps when you have support goodluck

Loopie sorry your not feeling the best

Mia sounds like everything is going well for you keep up the goodwork

Sage i started stimming on day four aswell it's normal protocal here goodluck grow follies grow

Weezie its hard enough that we are in this position let alone with the other stresses you have i hope you are able to keep your focus and keep postive about things.

Rio waiting for your BFP

Rinnie your in my thoughts

Tammy aren't you nice finding all that info for BAt21 good on you hope all is well with you

Bat 21 what the heck put em all back but be prepared 3 little one running around wouldn't that be good instant family good luck in your decision i'm sure you and dh will decide whats best for you guys

As for me the news is not good and not sure what is going to happen i had Er fri the 1st they retreived 5and i knew straight up things weren't good i asked if the eggs looked good or not and he replies well they weren't unhappy with them so what message does that send to me and wheres his damn PMA .Anyway i ended up back in hospital (my local hospital) with severe pains later that night while there i had an ultrasound they found i had free fluid which was causing the pain they also found i have a polyp in my cervix and went on to tell me they didn't think it was possible to get pregnant with a polyp there which makes me think how did the specialist miss this and why did he even let me cycle . And to make the whole thing worse i had to ring for my fert report from the maternity suit which i had to spend the night. i had 1embie that they were able to fertilize and the other 4 were no good i asked him how many cells this one had and he tells me 1 now doesn't that mean it hasn't even fertilized i thought when fertized they split to atleast 2 cell man i'm confused from what i can gather i have 1 embryo that hasn't done anything and a polyp in my cervix that will or should stop the transfer from happening and the polyp is quite big how could he miss this i'm so not happy with him right now.

So thats it in a nut shell
Sorry for the long post sorry to be a downer
HOPE YOUR ALL HAVING BETTER LUCK
JOMAEXXX

[TammyS]

Oh Jomae...I would definetly be calling your doc and bitching. Although if it is in your cervix maybe the doc felt that it wouldnt affect anything?! I am praying for your little guy. Maybe if they have to cancel this cycle and it is because they missed something they will refund you this cycle so you can try again...in a couple of months. I believe if it already has 1 cell that it means it is fertilized...I am sure as we speak it has more cells. Maybe they can freeze that one and wait till they get the polyp out. I am not sure that the polyp even matters. I have lots of little polpys and fibroids in my uterus that I was told wont matter. So maybe the hospital doesnt know what they are talking about when it comes to IVF. I am praying they dont...and that your little guy makes it just fine. It only takes one!

[jomae]

Hi Tammy
It's not so much the fact that i have the polyp to be honest i'm not sure if that even is a problem it's the fact that when i told him this is what they had found he was dumbfounded because he didn't even know it was there

If anyone has any info on what the possible problems are if any with having a polyp i'd appreciate hearing about it

thanks tammy

JOMAE
xxx

[KatieG]

I missed a day and just caught up. Hope everyone is diong good. Hang in there RIo its saturday!!!!!! Hope all is well g/l weezie!!! Hope everyone has a great weekend and Ill definitly be on looking for BFP's. You have inspired me to stay away from POAS so far so good less then a week to go!!!!!!

[riogirl71]

BFP!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh we are so excited, I started crying so hard when I got the call!!! DH and I are beyond ourselves!
You girls are next, I just know it!!!
Thank you so much for all of your thoughts and prayers!
My 10 day Hcg was 67 an 12 day was 127!!!

I will do personals when I get off cloud 9 in a little bit! I can't even process information right now I am so giddy!