The Over 40 Crowd

mrscutter · Post by **mrscutter** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:16 am

Hey everyone,
sorry i haven't been on in a while. I went back to work 2 weeks ago. Not easy working 3 12 hr midnight shifts. my body was so tired. not to mention how sick i feel. I have gotten better however. I just want to be done with the nausea. I have lost weight. I am 13 weeks now and I know I need to a least gain a couple of pounds. im sure it will come on strong in a couple of weeks and I will be saying hold on here. ha ha. I just can't stand smells. This is way tmi but I want to be able to poop without throwing up. ha ha ha. My DH and DD have had the biggest laugh with that. My dd says mom im sorry but that is priceless. My DH rigged me up a mask that you wear for TB patients with a washcloth in side, looks hilatious. Looks as if the Hazmat team in in the bathroom. I cannot believe Im telling you guys this, but I thought you might need a good laugh. They laugh at me quite often.

I had a transluceny ultrasound two weeks ago and bloodwork to look for Downs and other genetic things and the US looked perfect she said and the blood work showed 0 chance for downs. This test however is not 100 percent like the amnio, but still at first the doc said i would surely get a positive result and it would give me a 1 in say 50 for 100 or whatever, and it said 0, so that was very exciting. i am having it done again in 3 weeks. this time they will measure the femur and the fingers to look for downs. Hope that looks good too. they measured the back of the neck last time.

How many weeks were you guys when they could determine the sex of the baby? The girls in my dept have been doing us on me once a week and they couldnt tell yet at 13 weeks. Im dying to find out. Im getting excited now. I found it hard to get excited affraid of miscarriage.

Oh and if any of you were on progesterone when did you stop? I stopped at 12 weeks. i hope thats ok.

Tammy, that little boy is so darn cute. How are you doing? looks like you had a great time at Disney.

Catharine how is that sweet DD doing? have you decided on more yet?

yasmina, sounds like you and ds are doing great. DD is a great big sister.

tracy, how are you?

Sorry if I missed anyone. hope all are doing well. welcome to the new people. i have got to get on more often now that i am feeling a little better. take care

Rhonda

teachertam · Post by **teachertam** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:15 pm

Yasmina and Rhonda: Thanks for the nice comments about my DS.

Yasmina: Boys are a lot of work. Of course I do not have anything to compare it too. I remember that when Andrew was younger, as soon as I would take off the diaper, he would spray his "fire hose". Also, if you are not careful when you are changing poop diapers they will poop again before you get the diaper back on. You have to be fast.

Rhonda: I'm so glad to hear that you are doing well, with the exception of your nausea. I was very lucky w/my pregnancy as I never got sick.
I also had the "1st trimester screening" as well as the "2nd trimester screening". Both are non-invasive and can give you high accuracy of detecting birth defects. I think it is week 16 that you can find out the sex of the baby.

Tracy: Good luck with your ER. Maybe you will have more than 3. For my 2nd IVF the RE thought that we would get 10 eggs but we got 12 instead.

Take care all,
Tammy

Catharine · Post by **Catharine** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:44 pm

Greetings All!
TGIF

It's been awhile since my last post, but I've been in to read every so often.

Welcome Kat-I wanted to share with you that my last ivf cycle I had 5 fragmented embies transferred back and from that we were blessed with our DD. Fragmentation is jsut a descriptor of the quality of the embies.

Tammy-your Andrew is so handsome. I bet he truely enjoyed the Disney experience.

Rhonda-I enjoy hearing the humor come across through your words. I think we found out at wee 26 us what we were having. Although they say you can tell weeks before then. week 26 was the anatomy survey.

Tracy-fingers & toes crossed for you.

Santa-how are you doing?

Yamina-how's that new bundle of joy doing? and your dd? has your ds setup a schedule yet that you are comfortable with? and then the ever ill fated question, is he sleeping through the night?

As for me, I'm well. DD keeps me busy. I'm trying to come up with new strategies for entertaining her so as not to go buggy myself. We have good and bad days, more good than bad. Generally, she sleeps through the night

Today she is doing her best not to nap despite how tired her wee self may be. As for trying for number 2 we will have to let fate take this on. If we are blessed to conceive naturally then we will truely feel blessed. With the current world economy, we are unable to risk the expense of fertility tmt. Our med insurance covers zero tmt. To try to stay sane I go to the gym three times a week. I've entered a fitness challenge to give me incentive to get back that pre-pg body. I'm back to running, but a far cry from where I was before pg.

Okay got to go DD is wailing up a storm and I need to figure out how to settle her in for a nice rest.

Cheers!
Catharine

santa · Post by **santa** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:04 pm

Rhonda, that is such good news, what a relief. Hopefully you can sit back and enjoy the pregnancy?! Although frankly, this whole business is a worry from start to finish, will my follies grow, will there be eggs that are mature, will they fertilise, etc etc etc one big stress-fest!

I am on day 7 of my 2ww (I had a 3 day transfer this past Monday). I don't feel any symptoms and if anything, the slight symptoms I did have, sore boobs, etc, have gone away recently. I am just extremely bloated - I am not kidding, I look 5 months pregnant ! I think this is from the progesterone, but it would be so nice if there something else in my tummy other than gas !!

Kat, please do not worry about fragmentation, it doesn't mean very much from what I have read and heard. You are just so lucky that you have so many eggs to play with !

Catherine, enjoy your DD - lucky you !

Santa

garfieldtracy · Post by **garfieldtracy** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:14 am

Santa - good luck - lots of baby dust to you.

Rhonda - hope you can enjoy your PG.

Kat - how was your ET this weekend?

OK - I need some help with PMA. Just found out the ER will be earlier then thought. Also, there are not that many eggs so they "offered me the opportunity to cancel this cycle". WTF !! I thought after being PG you were suppose to be more fertile, also for the last year I have had a healthy lifestyle - since being PG - no drinking, no caffine, eating right, etc. But, last time I had 6 eggs retrived, 4 fertilized, 3 were good (1 was dividing too fast) - so had 3 good eggs put back in. This time there are only 3 eggs that will probably be retrived. I am praying they all fertilize, but if they don't what should we do - do you spend the money for only 1 or 2?? I know in the begining I was alternating betwen good and OK months. Our first cycle was on a "good" month, but I have no idea what this month was - an "OK" month - or is this as good as it gets?

I know we only need one - but it is so hard to be positive these days. I have talked to DH, and he just keep saying "be positive". I know but, it is getting harder every day.

Sorry for the ranting,
Tracy

teachertam · Post by **teachertam** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:38 pm

Catharine: Thanks so much for the compliment on my DS. He had his 2nd birthday party yesterday. He really enjoyed it. He received so many presents that he was overwhelmed. He is such a joy!!

Tracy: Just remember that all you need is ONE good egg.

Santa: Good luck on your 2ww.

Yasmina: How are you doing?

Rhonda: I hope you are getting over the nausea.

Kat: Please update us!

I had an appt. on Friday with my OB/Gyn. She advised me that my chances on getting preggo naturally were VERY slim, due to my advanced maternal age. She recommended another IVF. I am not totally opposed to another IVF, but I'm not sure that DH will want to go that route again.
With my last RE I had to drive 1.5 hours ONE WAY to go to his office. Every time I had to have an ultrasound or bloodwork it was a 3 hour drive roundtrip. My current RE is retiring. He has referred his patients to another RE. My Ob/GYN said that their office is currently working with this RE and will do all of the ultrasounds and bloodwork. I would only have to travel to the hospital for the ER and ET. This would make the IVF much more doable from a time standpoint. Of course there is also the additional cost (my insurance covers nothing). I was looking into doing PGD also if we decided to do another IVF. I'm not even sure that this RE would want to perform another IVF on me, as I turn the dreaded 45 at the end of April. Enough rambling...................any thoughts from you ladies would be appreciated.

Tammy

AKMom · Post by **AKMom** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:10 pm

Sorry Ladies for not updating sooner

Last night, the doc called, as you know we were on day 5.8-6.0 and the embryos were at blast stage so he transferred 3 YIPPEEE!! and froze the other three. Not sure if the others will survive the freeze the doc was not all that impressed with the way they looked. so I am officially on my 2ww. i am really excited, nervous and afraid....its in God's hands now.

Thank you so much ladies for all your support and words of wisdom and encouragement! I really depended on you. thanks again

It is really early in the monining here in Alaska, i will write more later.

Luv,
KAT

garfieldtracy · Post by **garfieldtracy** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:10 pm

Tammy - I would say do one more IVF since the "conditions" are better/easier this time. Keep us posted - I am not 45 yet, but will probably be there if we want more then 1 (actually have to get past 1 and then if we go for 2 I will be there).

Kat - congratulations!! Remember you are PUPO !!

Here is my update - breakdown last night - DH was great (actually going to my favorite restruarnt today) and counseling session with my acupunturist (along with an hour of acupunture - Zen mode!!) - so I am feeling better today. I am hoping we get more then 1 fertilize, but we only need 1 so we will take whatever we get.

Tracy

AKMom · Post by **AKMom** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:42 pm

Hey there Tracy...I am new at all this, and still trying to learn all the abbreviations/acronyms.

Dont stress....it only takes ONE! that's what everyone told me. But, I am and always have been a worry wart....so I have to make a concerted internal effort not too. On the outside--I look as if everything is Hunky Dorey! Sometimes it exhausting faking it! oh well. Glad your DH is taking care of you. It hard on our guys too, they want nothing more than to make their wives/significant others HAPPY....it must really be a helpless feeling for them.

I could go on and on about the psychological issues we have as women and conceiving/motherhood/etc.... it is overwehlming...

it just takes one

it just takes one...

it just takes ONE!

L8r.

Kath

garfieldtracy · Post by **garfieldtracy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:32 am

Kat- in case you didn't know PUPO - "Pregnant until proven otherwise" - Which you currently are !!

Update - At the ER they got 4 eggs (1 more then they thought -just like last time). So we are waiting till tomorrow to see how many fertilze. ET will be Thursday.

Keeping up the prayers,
Tracy

teachertam · Post by **teachertam** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:58 am

Tracy: Good news on your ER. Lets hope for 4/4 for fertilization!
I'm not sure if DH is up for another IVF. I think I will wait to decide until I get my day 3 FSH and antral follicle count. Thanks for your input. Too bad our insurance will not cover a dime.

Regards,
Tammy

AKMom · Post by **AKMom** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:15 pm

Thanks Trac....PUPO...that is funny. what does POAS mean? will it make me laugh too?

Later,

Kat

garfieldtracy · Post by **garfieldtracy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:46 pm

POAS - "Pee on a stick" - aka - the HPT - "Home pregnacy test". If you go in the General Forum the 3rd topic is "abbreviations" - on page 3 there is a pretty long list - and yes - you will get a kick out of some them too.

Tracy

children · Post by **children** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:23 pm

Hi Tammy,

If you don't want to go through ivf again, could your RE prescribe you follicle stimulation drugs to get more eggs each natural cycle to be fertilized? Remember, you CAN/DID get pg naturally, the thing is that you need to get pg 10x or more to have one normal live child due to possible poor egg quality.

I don't know how much you need to pay for adoption, I was told it can be much more expensive than ivf cycles. So, why not ivf?

If you decide to do ivf, you probably need more than one cycle to bring you a live child. I also would not do PGD because it is not only costly, it does not ensure the rest of the untested cells in the same embryo at good quality (b/c many eggs have abnormal chromosomes due to somatic mutations). Plus, PGD is still an invasive procedure which may risk the life of remaining cells of the same embryo... anyway, read more and see which way is the best for you.

If I were you, I would bet on numbers- that is knowing that you would have less chance to get multiples if use your own egg, just transfer more than 4 embryos if you can get that many to bet on one of which will give you a normal child. I understand you had BFN last time, but you never know which batch of eggs contain that ONE good ONE!

Just some thoughts, as you know, I won't be offended if you ignore what I said above.

Kath and Santa,

Happy 2ww and looking forward to your good news. Kath, we are all very nervous and excited during our 2ww, that is normal and luckily, this won't interfere the outcome of the ivf cycles! Good luck to both of you!

Tracy,

I am happy for you! Nothing is more important than having a supportive husband to our ivfers! My DH is 10yr younger and I often get his very optimistic views. Somehow that optimistic attitude offended me. I was sad and upset in the same time, the last thing I need is "don't worry, we will get it one day" when I had my BFN or cancelled cycle. But now I know that he was right... I am sure you will have your dream come true one of these days.

About more fertile after m/c, it is true, but it refer more of implantation, not the number of follicles or responsiveness to drugs. If you get more than one good embryos, they may implant and you may get pg... so stay positive. We are here to hope with you!

Catharine,

No way, we are far from sleeping through the night. DD started to do that at her 7th week but DS refuses to tell me what his pattern is...as soon as I feel that I know him well enough, he changes on me again! He does not cry for no reasons that is probably the only thing that I know of him now. I put him on the potty 3 times in total so far, one time, i got small poop by waiting for more than 2 min. One time I got pee right away. But out of these 3 times, he only enjoyed it once, the other 2 times he screamed. So, I decide to wait a little longer to put him.

So happy to know that your DD sleep through the night already! It gets so much easier once you have plenty sleep, isn't it?

Hi to everyone else here,

Yasmina

garfieldtracy · Post by **garfieldtracy** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:31 pm

Results in - out of the 4 only 2 were mature and they both fertilized. This is good news, but I am still disappointed we did not get 3 like last time. I still blame it on the change of protocol. They started me off on a higher dose and they did not monitor me for 5 days in the beginning and by that time there was 1 lead follic, 2 behind, and the rest were too small. After that I only stimmed for 2 more days and then triggered. So I believe the 2 that were not mature are the 1 that overshot the mature stage and 1 that undershot the mature stage. I think if I stayed on the lower dose in the beginning the 3 follics would have been closer together like last time - and we could have had 3 embryos to put back. I know there is nothing we can do - just extremely frustrated this cycle.
Tracy

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