November 2009 babies?

Announcement of pregnancy and birth following assisted reproductive treatment.
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excited-in-la
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Where is everyone? I hope well!

Congrats Wondercat on having a boy! Very exciting.

We have had a rocky week, with all good news in the end! End result: Amnio all clear and we are having a GIRL, even though we had no intention of finding out.

So here is the saga: The genetic counselor they had us meet with for the amnio last week was right out of school and it was literally her first day. I am just saying that my husband and I are not the first patients you want on your first day after all we have been through, especially because there are some significant things in both of our family histories that we had real questions about. After pushing the genetic counselor, she finally arranged for us to meet with her boss, who heads genetics at UCLA [though when they told me it would be a three week wait when I called to make the appt, I got a little hysterical that there was amniotic fluid sitting in a test tube and I would not go through another amnio becuause of scheduling isssue - and they got me in the next day]. We met with the doctor Friday - she was fabulous and gave us the all clear (or as clear as they can give you) and let us know the amnio results were great! Yea! Huge relief.

So the night before we met with the geneticist doctor, I was going through our medical records that I had picked up from the perinatologist to be sure everything was there and in order. I was in our office at home alone, and my husband was on the golf course. I flipped to the FISH tests and there it was in huge letters - FEMALE. Given that we wanted to be surprised about what we were having, this was not exactly the romantic picture I had in my head. I called my husband - who told me he was not allowed to have a cell phone on the golf course and he had to hang up - again, not exactly how I imagined sharing the news with my husband :)

When he came home, I told him I knew and he said he wanted us to wait. I said I did too, but I knew and I now refused to have a whole house of yellow - plus I really wanted to share it with him. He finally let me tell him the next night, in the room we are going to use for the nursery. It was sweet. He started gushing "We are having a little girl". I asked him what he would have done if I said it were a boy, and he said he would gush "We are having a little boy." :)

I was convinced we were having a boy, so I had to refocus my thinking - but the truth is that all we care about is having a healthy baby!

We are going to tell our parents today - seems like a good Father's Day gift!

Happy Fathers Day to all of the dads to be!

Hope everyone is well!
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Post by ianmichael3 »

excited: LOL!!!!!!!!!!! That is such a great story, very unique and special, just like your little girl! Congratulations!!!!

I think the threads slowly become less busy as we progress in our pregnancies b/c there's far less "going on", then there was while we were all trying to get pregnant :) I think it's like the saying, "no news is good news"....

Anyhoo- I am just trying to enjoy it one day at a time- my little bump is so cute right now! (if I do say so myself, and I would only say something like that to you guys!!!!!!!!) I want to feel the baby move more regularly, but that time will come and then I'm sure I'll be thinking, "why did I want to feel the baby move???" LOL!!!

Have a good week everyone! My next appt is this Thursday and they'll be scheduling the u/s for 20 weeks at that visit........... Still aren't going to find out :)
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excited-in-la - Yay on your little girl! No, probably not the way you imagined finding out and sharing that news... But it makes for a good story anyway, to tell her some day. And after all, I don't think many of us imagined just how little sex this process of making a baby would involve, either! I'm in the opposite situation of you, I really thought we were having a girl so it has been an adjustment. And it has meant a lot more painting in a house that has already been completely painted (by us) from the ceiling down since we bought it in October. Oh, and when we first tried to schedule an appointment with a genetic counselor we were told it would be SEVEN MONTHS - I pulled a fit and they somehow managed to fit us in "any day next week" instead. Who knew those people were so busy?!

ianmichael3, you're right there's a lot less going on right now and no news is good news. We have the "real" ultrasound this Wednesday. I'm still torn between being happy to get to see my little boy again and frankly pissed off that I have to miss hours of work again because my doctor's office made another mistake. God, I hope they were right about it being a boy, because if I just re-painted that room blue and white for no reason... Well, let's just say that my hormones and I will not be responsible for our actions!! :)

(WARNING: Long in-law rant!) The only big news on our end is family drama. My mother-in-law is diagnosed bi-polar w/delusions and clinical depression, which means we have been faced with the difficult task of telling her that we do not want her to take full-time care of the baby when I go back to work. She has been hospitalized before for severe psychotic breaks, where she has visual and auditory hallucinations, thinks family members are trying to kill her, etc. Making things worse, my father-in-law is in denial that her condition is serious and could potentially endanger an infant in her care. Despite her history of relapse even while medicated, he is convinced that this time she will never relapse again. When I tentatively broached the subject with him Friday it did not go well, with the result that they are "not speaking" to me and my husband right now. They just dropped off all the baby stuff they bought at our house yesterday while we were gone. This is pretty typical of the dysfunctional relationship they have with their kids. But my husband is freaking out enough about making sure the house is ready (among other things!) and I hate to see him so upset - and so needlessly. I'm not trying to keep them from being a big part of their grandson's life, I just don't think it's advisable for her to be his primary caregiver.
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IVF #1 (1): BFN
FET #1 (2): BFN
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wondercat: OH my gosh, you are absolutely correct. As a licensed social worker, YES, you are WELL within your right and completely justified (based on her past) to make such a good/sound decision. It doesn't mean you don't love her, but you have got to make a practical choice and she just isn't a good one, no matter how hurt she is. I think given some time, they will come out of it. If not, then life goes on. I've found prayer covers a multitude of things and giving stuff up to Him, is much easier than me trying to wrap my teeny tiny brain around it! In either case- you did good, girl! Just hang in there as you deal with the fall out!
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Excited-in-LA - Congrats on the amnio and on having a girl!

Wondercat - Hang in there! Family situations can be quite draining I know.

I have a follow-up ultrasound with my peri tomorrow. I'm anxious to see our little boy again and how much he's grown. He's quite active in my belly and now I've also started feeling the punches and kicks. My husband can feel them now as well.

I hope all is well with everyone else.
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excited, congrats on the girl, even if the way you found out was squirrly.

Wondercat, I'm so sorry you are having to deal with family drama during this time. As hard as it may be, I too think you are making what seems to be the only judgment call in saying that the MIL simply cannot take a chance that "this time" she will not relapse.

Ok ladies, I need some......I dunno, reassurance? Some kind words? I'm not sure, but of course this is where I turn to first.

This morning we had a detailed u/s with the perinatalogist that will be doing our ultrasounds. We are 18 weeks along today. He saw our two little ones, and today we finally found out what we are having- one boy and one girl. We are thrilled, just thrilled.

the girl looks just fine, but he saw in the boy the white spot in one of the chambers of the heart. The technical term for it is echogenic intracardiac focus. It looks like a white spot on the u/s.

It apparently is seen in about 3-5% of all pregnancies, and most times without the presence of other markers, goes away and does not seem to cause any health problems.

however, it does increase the chance of having a baby with Downs. He told us this very matter of factly, then said "It could mean nothing. It usually means nothing. Don't worry yourself sick."

Baby boy shows no other signs or markers of Downs- the NT scan showed no thick fold, his nasal cavity looks normal, etc.

We decided not to have an amnio. Even the Dr. didn't think we needed to. We are both 32, and these are our first children. We decided that we would do nothing different no matter what the amnio showed. We would not terminate. So we're going to skip the amnio.

I'm trying to tell myself that this is probably nothing, and all will be fine. But, duh, of course I'm unsettled. Right now, I'm just trying to focus on how blessed we are to be having a son and a daughter.

I hope all of you are doing well. I have missed the updates! Let's chat ladies!
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aspotoftea: that is quite an emotional conundrum (sorry for the big words)- no easy way to look at it other than the way that you explained. You are truly blessed and I'd bet, safely, it will resolve itself :) That's what I'll pray for, anyways.

(((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))
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It is great to hear from everyone. We go in for another appointment with ultrasound today (right now we are scheduled every two weeks!) I am excited and anxious at the same time. The amnio made me so nervous and I have not felt the baby really move yet (at least I don't think I have, though maybe some of what I am feeling is), so seeing it moving it around will be very reassuring.

Wondercat I am so sorry about the situation with your in-laws. This sounds like the first of many times you will have to put the safety of your child first. I hope they will come around, after all, they are your baby's grandparents. Thinking of you. Good luck with your ultrasound, and your story about 7 months is crazy (the kid would be born by then!!!)

Charr Good luck with your ultrasound!

ianmichael Good luck with your ultrasound and may we both start to feel the baby going crazy in there soon! I think I felt it the other day and it made me want to throw up - I felt so nauscious! My husband was joking that I was very maternal - let's hope that one was temporary.

A spot of tea Hang in there! We are thinking of your twins and praying for your little boy. At times like these, it feels like we just have too much information! Without all of these appts and ultrasounds, your kids would be born and you would love them more than anything without this rollercoaster. I get torn about whether all of this information helps or hurts. Regardless, whatever the outcome, he will be perfect!
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excited: :lol: :lol: :lol:
With my first pregnancy, I was SOOO weirded out by the idea of even having to carry a child- it felt like it was an alien, or better yet, a PARASITE!!!!!!!! It took me awhile to get used to the feeling of that little thing moving around, but I can say for certain, I got over it and loved feeling him move--------- until he really started kicking in the 9th month!!!!
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EXCITED: Congrats on your baby girl! At least you'll always have a good story to tell her on how you and hubby found out about her sex! :-)

WONDERCAT: I understand completely what you're going through. My DH's sister has schizophrenia and although she is truly kind and sweet, since she gets absent-minded a lot among other htings, there is no way I would ever intrust my baby in her care. So you and your DH are doing what any responsible parent would do: think of your baby's welfare too!

ASPOTOFTEA: Congrats on the twins! Don't worry about your baby boy! We will all be keeping you in our prayers!

CHARR: I really appreciate your support and words of encouragement.

Today I saw the genetic counselor and the perinatologist. As you know, for weeks I had been dreading that visit and what it entailed. The truth is that one of my first cousin lost her baby due to amnio (the MDs confirmed it after doing a full autopsy and genetic eval). That has always been a constant reminder of what could go wrong. In addition, I read many articles about miscarriage as a result of amnio. Some stated that having lost a pregnancy within thet same pregnancy (like the loss of my twin at week 6), or bleeding early in the pregnancy (which I had 3 episodes of spotting), or being overweight (while not obese, but definitely 10-15 lbs overweight) can increase the chance of miscarriage from amnio made me even more scared. Sometimes, ignorance is truly a bliss! I wish I had no idea about the true risks of miscarriage and other factors affecting it, but I do....
I had decided to wait for the results of the quad test. They were as follows. I am 39 by the way:
-Down's 1:350
-Trisomy 18 1:3500
_for open neural tube defect, MoM was 1.1 (2.5 being the cut-off)
-Fetal death from one of the syndromes 1:10,000

So those came out good. Then I decided to wait for the detailed ultrasound. Everything looked normal and there were no suspicious soft markers for Down's.

Perinatologist said these reults are good but the only way to make sure was to do the test. Gave me and DH 5 minutes to decide. We opted out of the amnio. Then when we came home, we started talking some more, shared more of our feelings. For now, we think since the odds were in our favor for a healthy baby, we did the right think (the risk of Downs being lower than that of miscarriage). But i am still torn by the decision. And I know htat he is too. I am reminded of my cousin's miscarriage. DH has had to witness his parents ordeal dealing with his sister's condition which came about at age 35+.
The perinatologist told us to contact him if we changes our mind in the next week.

I am a health care professional too and often time have to give my opinion to patients about the prognosis of treatment outcome. And I too always stress that I cannot guarantee anything. This has been really hard.

I really applaud those of you who have already gone through this phase, regardless of what decision you made in the process! Those who opted for the amnio can now rest easy that all is well. Your deicision to take the risk paid off. Those who didn't: I respect your decision too. Bottom line: best of luck to all of us.

Ok; I will now stop venting. Thanks for sharing your experiences and best of luck to EVERYONE!
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NANCY!!!! I REALLY believe you made the absolute best decision!!! Those numbers are EXCELLENT!!!! You deserve to celebrate and encourage that DH of yours to relax, too! There isn't anything indicating even remotely close to what I'd consider to go through with the amnio. :)

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IANMICHAEL: Thank you so much! After a loooong night sleep, I am much more at peace with our decision. My DH called from work and told me that we made the right decision. I am just taking it easy today since I had taken time off work, just in case we went ahead with the amnio.
Have you started feeling the baby yet? Mine seems to like doing some boxing at around noon time! :-)
Have a great week and thanks again.
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thank you everyone, for keeping him in your thoughts and prayers. you are all so wonderful.

Nancy, it is SUCH a huge and big decision with that amnio. We had about 5 minutes too, we went from thinking we did not need it, to hearing about the white spot, and it was overwhelming. We can change our mind if we want the Dr told us, but I think we're going to stick with this. I agree with you, no matter what any of us decides, best of luck to each and every one of us! Well said.
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Hello, all. Had a follow-up anatomy scan last week as the doctor just wanted to make sure everything looked good with the baby's heart, and it does. He's weighing in at 12 ounces they said and everything looks on track and so the peri said she didn't see a need for me to come back. I was a bit disappointed that we won't be going back to have any more of those extensive ultrasounds because they're so neat, but very thankful that everything is looking so good with our baby boy.

Nancy & aspotoftea - I'm happy for you both that you've made a decision and feel good about it and can move forward now. Going through the stress of amnio or no amnio is no fun.

I hope everyone has been feeling good. Take care!
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ASPOTOFTEA and CHARR:
Thank you ladies for your words of support!!! It was a hard few days before and after the peri's visit. Now, I can finally say that I am at peace with our decision not to have the amnio. DH and I went on a mini trip over the weekend which also helped to ease the stress of it all.

CHARR: I am very happy that your follow-up scan was good and understand your dissapointment about not having any more of those soon. Wouldn't it be nice to have an ultrasound every day to put our minds at ease? Also, for about a full day, I didn't feel any movement, which is completely normal. But then again, I was worried. Thern this evening, my little peanut was having a soccer game in my tummy!!!
Just love it!!!

Hope everyone is doing good.
Have an appointment with my regular OB tomorrow.

Take care everyone,
Nancy
PS> THIS WEEK MARKS THE OFFICIAL HALF MARK OF THE PREGNANCY!
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