hello,i am just wondering if any of you girls have had any similar experiences to me,my first ivf i had a chemical pregnancy,my second ended 3 weeks after e.t.early misscarriage i think.and now im just thinking that if i have another attempt that something similar is going to happen and that i am never going to get pregnant and be able to carry it the full way.i would love to hear from anyone who has had similar experience or if anyone knows of any tests that i should maybe ask about having,i just need some hope.
thankyou so much.love loopy.
ANY HELP APPRECIATED
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loopylou57uk
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Hi Loopy, I really am so sorry that you are going through this.
I feel exactly the same as you. I have had 3 pregnancies now (1 ectopic and 2 m/c - the last one being at 3 weeks after ET) and I am finding it so difficult to imagine that I will ever have a successful pregnancy. But, I had counselling after the last m/c which helped me a great deal as I was so depressed, and they said it would be a good idea to start sessions again during my next treatment so I have an appointment next week. Have you been offered counselling - if not it might be a good idea to see someone - I think most clinics offer it free of charge.
I also had various tests done - chromosone and clotting are the ones I remember - but they came back clear so there is no reason that they can find for the miscarriages. My consultant did say that in the majority of cases tests come back clear and that most early miscarriages are "one of those things" which is not what you want to hear at the time.
I am sure that your consultant will recommend that you have some blood tests done (and if not insist that they do). I think we both have to try and think positively - there are lots of women who have suffered recurrent m/c and have gone on to have healthy pregnancies. And we will too.....
My thoughts are with you Loopy and if I can help in anyway you know where I am.
Sending you a massive hug
Love
Dolly
I been recommeded to have progesterone injections this time - apparently there is some evidence that they can help prevent m/c. And I am willing to give anything a go.
I feel exactly the same as you. I have had 3 pregnancies now (1 ectopic and 2 m/c - the last one being at 3 weeks after ET) and I am finding it so difficult to imagine that I will ever have a successful pregnancy. But, I had counselling after the last m/c which helped me a great deal as I was so depressed, and they said it would be a good idea to start sessions again during my next treatment so I have an appointment next week. Have you been offered counselling - if not it might be a good idea to see someone - I think most clinics offer it free of charge.
I also had various tests done - chromosone and clotting are the ones I remember - but they came back clear so there is no reason that they can find for the miscarriages. My consultant did say that in the majority of cases tests come back clear and that most early miscarriages are "one of those things" which is not what you want to hear at the time.
I am sure that your consultant will recommend that you have some blood tests done (and if not insist that they do). I think we both have to try and think positively - there are lots of women who have suffered recurrent m/c and have gone on to have healthy pregnancies. And we will too.....
My thoughts are with you Loopy and if I can help in anyway you know where I am.
Sending you a massive hug
Love
Dolly
I been recommeded to have progesterone injections this time - apparently there is some evidence that they can help prevent m/c. And I am willing to give anything a go.
Me 38 / DH 40. TTC 8 yrs
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
Hi Loopy
I too am sorry you are feeling down. It is hard to jump back on that rollercoaster and remain positive. Excuse my ignorance but what is a chemical pregnancy? I thought I knew most things but obviously not!
I know it is hard when there seem to be so many tests that can be done but no guarantees that it will be a success next time. Try to be strong, we are all here for you and will be all the way. Everyone has helped me so much which I am so thankful for.
Hi Dolly, how are you? When do you start again? I hope it all works out for you next time. we have all been through so much it's the least we deserve. Good luck.
Take care love Dagny xx
I too am sorry you are feeling down. It is hard to jump back on that rollercoaster and remain positive. Excuse my ignorance but what is a chemical pregnancy? I thought I knew most things but obviously not!
I know it is hard when there seem to be so many tests that can be done but no guarantees that it will be a success next time. Try to be strong, we are all here for you and will be all the way. Everyone has helped me so much which I am so thankful for.
Hi Dolly, how are you? When do you start again? I hope it all works out for you next time. we have all been through so much it's the least we deserve. Good luck.
Take care love Dagny xx
Me 38 DH 40
1st 2nd & 4th IVF/ICSI -ve
3rd +ve DD Katelyn born @ 24wks & sadly died
5th +ve m/c 9wks
6th +ve Twins Sadly DD Leah stillborn @20wks and DS Kieran born @22wks but sadly died too
7th +ve - DD Chloë Mae born @38wks our precious miracle
1st 2nd & 4th IVF/ICSI -ve
3rd +ve DD Katelyn born @ 24wks & sadly died
5th +ve m/c 9wks
6th +ve Twins Sadly DD Leah stillborn @20wks and DS Kieran born @22wks but sadly died too
7th +ve - DD Chloë Mae born @38wks our precious miracle
Hi Dagny,
How are you? I was so sorry to hear about your loss - I can only begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I think your idea of a board for pregnancy loss is fantastic - are they setting one up?
I have started again and have my baseline scan next Tuesday so looks like ec / et will be around Easter. You're right about us being through so much - I wish I could wave a magic wand and we would all have babies.
look after yourself
love and hugs
Dolly
How are you? I was so sorry to hear about your loss - I can only begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I think your idea of a board for pregnancy loss is fantastic - are they setting one up?
I have started again and have my baseline scan next Tuesday so looks like ec / et will be around Easter. You're right about us being through so much - I wish I could wave a magic wand and we would all have babies.
look after yourself
love and hugs
Dolly
Me 38 / DH 40. TTC 8 yrs
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
3 natural pg - 2 ectopics and 1 miscarriage
2nd IVF +ve but miscarried
1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th IVF all -ve
Moved to the ARGC.
Just started for the 7th time (!) Feb/March 2006.
Hi Dolly
That's wonderful you have started again and you will get some real 'Easter Eggies'. Wishing you loads of luck.
I am hoping that Marcus is working on the new forum right now. It will be so nice to have somewhere for us girls to post who need help or support after the loss of a much wanted baby.
Take care and lots of baby dust on it's way.
Love Dagny xx
That's wonderful you have started again and you will get some real 'Easter Eggies'. Wishing you loads of luck.
I am hoping that Marcus is working on the new forum right now. It will be so nice to have somewhere for us girls to post who need help or support after the loss of a much wanted baby.
Take care and lots of baby dust on it's way.
Love Dagny xx
Me 38 DH 40
1st 2nd & 4th IVF/ICSI -ve
3rd +ve DD Katelyn born @ 24wks & sadly died
5th +ve m/c 9wks
6th +ve Twins Sadly DD Leah stillborn @20wks and DS Kieran born @22wks but sadly died too
7th +ve - DD Chloë Mae born @38wks our precious miracle
1st 2nd & 4th IVF/ICSI -ve
3rd +ve DD Katelyn born @ 24wks & sadly died
5th +ve m/c 9wks
6th +ve Twins Sadly DD Leah stillborn @20wks and DS Kieran born @22wks but sadly died too
7th +ve - DD Chloë Mae born @38wks our precious miracle
hi loopy,
there are tests that you can both have done. we attended the recurrent miscarriage clinic at st. mary's london for about a year having tests and being monitored. they did blood tests for hormone levels, chromosome deficiencies, compatability, scans for uterus conditions throughout the month.
one thing that was detected only very recently was a severve progesterone issue. i have normal levels up to about day 9/10 and then it switched off completely. this had not been detected thru 2 ivf's or at the rmc. lsept last year i started using high dosage of progesterone to lengthen my cycle and support any chance of a natural pregnancy, which we surprisingly achieved, while inbetween tmts.
so yes there are tests that can be done. maybe you could ask your gp about it too. you might be able to get some of this funded.
also, i think there are a couple of girls on the pg after tmt side that i believe had extensive tests and have gone on to be successful. maybe you could post there too.
phil x
there are tests that you can both have done. we attended the recurrent miscarriage clinic at st. mary's london for about a year having tests and being monitored. they did blood tests for hormone levels, chromosome deficiencies, compatability, scans for uterus conditions throughout the month.
one thing that was detected only very recently was a severve progesterone issue. i have normal levels up to about day 9/10 and then it switched off completely. this had not been detected thru 2 ivf's or at the rmc. lsept last year i started using high dosage of progesterone to lengthen my cycle and support any chance of a natural pregnancy, which we surprisingly achieved, while inbetween tmts.
so yes there are tests that can be done. maybe you could ask your gp about it too. you might be able to get some of this funded.
also, i think there are a couple of girls on the pg after tmt side that i believe had extensive tests and have gone on to be successful. maybe you could post there too.
phil x
Loopy, I just wanted to say that I'll be following your progress with keen interest. I think of us as little FCB twinnies - esp. as we both tested + but had mc at exactly the same time. I'll be watching you all the way and believe me, no one will cheer louder (than me) when you finally get that firm ++++
love
Debra.
love
Debra.
Loopy,
This is an awful time.
I felt so down after my miscarriage (they called it a "missed abortion" as the bubby died inside of me"), and I agree with Dolly, the counselling is a really helpful thing.
I had tests done, they tested my "phospholipid antibodies" (clotting factor), and my progesterone levels. My doctor has said that all of my tests have been clear, so I am one of the "unexplained" group. But I think if the phospholipid antibodies are a concern they put you on aspirin or Warfarin or Heparin to thin the blood, or if the Progesterone is a problem you take extended Prog shots after et.
Good luck loopy, like Deb I am keen to follow your progress and hear of your good news soon.
Take care
Belinda
This is an awful time.
I felt so down after my miscarriage (they called it a "missed abortion" as the bubby died inside of me"), and I agree with Dolly, the counselling is a really helpful thing.
I had tests done, they tested my "phospholipid antibodies" (clotting factor), and my progesterone levels. My doctor has said that all of my tests have been clear, so I am one of the "unexplained" group. But I think if the phospholipid antibodies are a concern they put you on aspirin or Warfarin or Heparin to thin the blood, or if the Progesterone is a problem you take extended Prog shots after et.
Good luck loopy, like Deb I am keen to follow your progress and hear of your good news soon.
Take care
Belinda
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loopylou57uk
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hello girls,and thankyou all very much for your advice,my computer has been broken for 2 days so i have been so lost without you lot,i will be definetely asking about the tests that you have mentioned,
dagny,i am so sorry about your loss you sound like a very strong person and i wish you the very best of luck in your treatment,you really deserve it.
debra p,how are you coping now do you feel any better,i feel really down and if i think about what happened too much i still get really upset,i just want to feel better and i look forward to my next appointment it cant come
soon enough.
dagney,a chemical pregnancy is when i had my first ivf i got a positive but the reading was really low (14)and it slowly went down to 0.
i suppose at least i can say that i got that little bit further this time but i cant help thinking that it will happen again,i must get some pma back!
i hope that all of you get what we all want we all certainlt deserve it,take care everyone.love loopy.ps.thanks again.
dagny,i am so sorry about your loss you sound like a very strong person and i wish you the very best of luck in your treatment,you really deserve it.
debra p,how are you coping now do you feel any better,i feel really down and if i think about what happened too much i still get really upset,i just want to feel better and i look forward to my next appointment it cant come
soon enough.
dagney,a chemical pregnancy is when i had my first ivf i got a positive but the reading was really low (14)and it slowly went down to 0.
i suppose at least i can say that i got that little bit further this time but i cant help thinking that it will happen again,i must get some pma back!
i hope that all of you get what we all want we all certainlt deserve it,take care everyone.love loopy.ps.thanks again.
hi loopy,
I sail in the same boat as u and debra and keep wondering too that what's gonna happen after the "early pregnancy loss" that i had last month.I had a follow up appointment with my clinic to discuss the cycle but my RE did not mention anything about the m/c...as if the embies never made it!!!as if they did not exist!!!!That's the last thing u want to hear after a m/c...someone ignoring the fact that there was a loss.....thanx for posting loopy...couldn't get my feelings in words till now.
Luv,
Miracle
I sail in the same boat as u and debra and keep wondering too that what's gonna happen after the "early pregnancy loss" that i had last month.I had a follow up appointment with my clinic to discuss the cycle but my RE did not mention anything about the m/c...as if the embies never made it!!!as if they did not exist!!!!That's the last thing u want to hear after a m/c...someone ignoring the fact that there was a loss.....thanx for posting loopy...couldn't get my feelings in words till now.
Luv,
Miracle
It's going to be ok in the end.Even if it's not ok....IT"S NOT THE END!!!
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loopylou57uk
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hi miracle,how are you feeling now.i hope you feel better,im not too bad now actually,i just cant wait to see the clinic and discuss things,i havent got an app as yet.did you mention your loss to your doctor you should of made him talk about it i know i will be asking my clinic about mine ,i have a lot of questions.
will you be having another go at ivf,if so when?i look forward to cycling with you and we will both get the big fat positive that we much deserve.
take care miracle.
love loopy.
will you be having another go at ivf,if so when?i look forward to cycling with you and we will both get the big fat positive that we much deserve.
take care miracle.
love loopy.
hi loopy,
Thanx for asking.I am better than before i should say.My re did not have any time to talk i guess and then there were a lot of people in the waiting room...desperate to get their share of time...so all said and done,i just feel maybe someone needed my re more than me:)I hope u ask as many ques and i hope they are answered too!!!!
I have not yet decided when to cycle but i will post as soon as it is decided.Good luck with ur appt.
Luv,
Miracle
Thanx for asking.I am better than before i should say.My re did not have any time to talk i guess and then there were a lot of people in the waiting room...desperate to get their share of time...so all said and done,i just feel maybe someone needed my re more than me:)I hope u ask as many ques and i hope they are answered too!!!!
I have not yet decided when to cycle but i will post as soon as it is decided.Good luck with ur appt.
Luv,
Miracle
It's going to be ok in the end.Even if it's not ok....IT"S NOT THE END!!!
hihi loopy, im glad to see u are trying to focus on going forward, after
having a very difficult and heartbreaking time.
I dont know if it helps, but i was tested for NK cells (killer cells)
it was in the papers at the weekend all about this test, its where
these killer cells can reject the embyro and u are given steroids
after ET and if u get a +itve u continue to take them till 12 wks.
I had slightly raised NK cells and was put on steroids and happy
to say it worked (4th go).
Take care
alisonn
having a very difficult and heartbreaking time.
I dont know if it helps, but i was tested for NK cells (killer cells)
it was in the papers at the weekend all about this test, its where
these killer cells can reject the embyro and u are given steroids
after ET and if u get a +itve u continue to take them till 12 wks.
I had slightly raised NK cells and was put on steroids and happy
to say it worked (4th go).
Take care
alisonn