Anyone cycling July/August 09?

lisa10 · Post by **lisa10** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:09 pm

Allright, I had been doing good with the 2ww, but I am starting to break. I bought a HPT I am taking Saturday, because I am due that day for my Beta, but have to wait till Monday since it is the weekend. Anyway, I was reading the directions last night before bed and gave myself HPT dreams all night. Now I can't wait. I know I need to hold out because if I get a false negetive it will kill me. I keep telling myslef I am PG, and picture a positive, but then when I think it may be a neg, I don't know how I can take it. I hope I won't have to. I had 7 2ww with my IUI's and 7 BFN's, so I am so praying to finally see a BFP after all this money and effort. I keep getting bills and when you think it may be for nothing it gets you down. Anyhow, I had to vent. I know I am PTPO and I need to be positive, but this waiting is hard!!!

dogzrule · Post by **dogzrule** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:30 pm

lisa - hon, I know the waiting is SO hard. My 2 cents is do NOT take an HPT. I did not because of the same fear you had, and I don't regret it. Others here have different points of view because we are all different, of course! Vent anytime, it is what we are here for, and as you said, you are PUPO!!

Liana - good to see you here again! Your DH is right. I thought everything would be better with the BFP, but in my opinion, it's worse!

Don't you wish we could all have sonos everyday so we could know daily that everything is fine? *sigh*

Faith - SO glad to hear your follies are growing nicely and that ER is right around the corner! Great news!!!

fkm - We're so glad you're joining our discussion, and I know we are all rooting for you!!!

lw - cannot WAIT to hear about your sono!!!

AFM - The endometrin arrived a little while ago, and I was SO happy. I have to say, even though it's not as convenient as the PIO, I will be so happy to not have any pain in my butt/hips. Oh, and the fact that I can breathe again is great too.

gi · Post by gi » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:09 pm

Evening ladies,

Sorry no time for personals as my internet is really slow tonight and i cant look back at what all ye have said!! plus i am soooo tired!! but just wanted to thank each and everyone of ye for all your support and your "survive embies " dance it means soo much to me esp. these last few days when my pma is wavering as i cant see past transfer dont know whats wrong with me (prob. hormones!!) but the thoughts of thurs is making me feel sick!!! I wish someone would knock me over the head and wake me up on friday!

gi xxx

marymeganB · Post by **marymeganB** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:16 pm

So I have one more week until my first ultrasound. Time is moving so slow and I am SICK, let me repeat, SICK of the Endometrin inserts. They are DISGUSTING! Anyway, I'm trying not to read into anything I'm feeling as something positive having to do w/ pregnancy b/c I don't want to get my hopes up after what happened in my January cycle, But, I've been feeling kind of weird since Sunday. It's not really nausea, but more like motion sickness. My stomach feels full all the time and if I push on it I feel like I could puke. Sort of like hangover stomach, but not as bad. I didn't have this the last time I went through IVF. Maybe it's just anxiety or nerves or something. Thoughts?

katie99 · Post by **katie99** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:11 pm

hi everyone -

How are you all doing today? I spoke to the RE and he feels very positve about using the antagonist protocol, so I guess I will be too! If I am cancelled this time I think then we'll have no choice but to move on to DE, But I'm not even thinking like that now. PMA PMA (if I say it enough it will be true!)

helen -congrats on the BFP!!!!!

cheeky - I'm so happy to hear that your new RE appt went well

iamhopeful - Wishing you the best of luck tom. with your ER!!! I dont end up with many eggs either, but its quality that counts! not quantity

faith - YAY! with that many follies you will do great

liana - thanks! hoping that you have a safe & uneventful pregnancy!!

gi - Hold on, woman! the hormones have got a hold of you!! We are all here for you, sending you loads of PMA!!!

Hugs & prayers to us all!!!

ladybug09 · Post by **ladybug09** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:35 pm

Hey ladies, PLEASE READ
I had my day 3 transfer today and they put in 2 8cell grade 2 embryos. Everything went well. Now im officially in my 2ww. Im so happy to have made it this far. Ok so my DH and I have been very concerned about something. The dr said we had 6 fertilized eggs and they were all basically the same and transferred 2. Now my remaining 4 they wanted for them to continue to grow to day 5 to reach blastocysts stage.(They said they were 8cell grade 2) We have been researching and watching videos of women whose dr said the same thing about letting them grow into blastocysts and the remaining of these womens eggs ended up dying and were discarded. if they just transfered 2 8cell eggs in me, y couldnt they just freeze my remaining 4 at the 8 cell stage. They could grow into blastocyst inside of me which is a much better incubater than their culture dish. We voiced our opinion today and made them freeze the 4 eggs today. The dr was not to happy and was shocked that since we are so young we knew so much but we did our research. We dont want to take the chance of them not even reaching blastocyst and losing all my eggs. Sometimes I think some of these drs just do this for money and not in the interest of the patients. Has anyone ever been through this where the dr has pushed them to make the eggs grow longer and they are great to begin with then lose them because the "dr" said let them grow to day 5. I actually overheard one of the drs tell a patient the eggs have a 20% of reaching blastocyst and their eggs were the same cell and grade as mine. So y would I risk my babies for 20% when they can thaw them out and put the same 8cell in me like today. Then to top it off I got on the table ready to have my transfer and the dr (not mine) said "oh the embryologist or whoever said ur eggs are growing really well and would rather you come on day 5 but put in ONE embryo. I got so upset and said NO. I signed papers saying we will put in 2 embies and I dont want to take the chance of just transfering 1 and God forbid it doesnt work. Im so upset but trying to keep cool and pray my babies stick to me. Sorry for blabbing off. Just thought some of you might be going through the same thing and its important to know, stick up for what you feel is right, because some of these drs seem nice and caring but they will make more money if your eggs are discarded and they do a whole new cycle on you. I found a youtube video of a women that went through the same thing, im going to try and post it. How do I attach it on here?

Thinking of all you ladies and wishing you well.

ladybug09 · Post by **ladybug09** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:43 pm

Oh yeah and they said, oh if they dont make it to blastocyst they probably wont be able to freeze. I said nope freeze all my 8 cell stage 2 babies because the have a better chance of thawing out and making it.

I dnt know the exact link but you can go to youtube and type in : IVF CLINICS PREFER NOT TO FREEZE EMBRYOS.

Im not trying to discourage anyone from not listening to their drs but I felt this was something everyone should know. After seeing this I was concerned and felt I did the right thing today for my future babies.

dogzrule · Post by **dogzrule** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:46 pm

ladybug - I am so sorry that you are upset but am SO glad and proud that you stood your ground. I don't think your doctor was out for money. I think he was just following the current conventional wisdom. My doctor took us to day 5 because we had 8 eggs fertilize, and the more you have at that point, the better your chances of enough surviving to day 5. Of the 8, 4 did. The reason that your doctor was only going to put one in if you had gone the extra 2 days is because he was trying to reduce the risk of multiples (5-day transfers have a higher risk of that). My eggs at day 3 were ok. I had some 6 and some 8 cells, but two of those really took off as they got to day 5 (those were the two they transferred). Again, the only reason my doctor took us to day 5 is because we had a good number to start with and a high probably that enough would make it. They gave my remaining 2 an extra day, and it looked like one wouldn't make it. But wouldn't you know, it took off on day 6, so BOTH of our remaining embies got frozen. Take a deep breath. It's over now, and you are PUPO!!!!

lisa10 · Post by **lisa10** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:02 am

ladybug...my RE said my frosties had a 90% chance of surviving a thaw. They were frozen on day 6. I have 2 frozen and need 1 if this round doesn't work. I am so worried they won't make it. Hopefully I am PG and it won't matter.

By the way, a nurse called today and to check on how I am doing during the 2ww since it is a stressful time. She said we get so used to seeing them everyday and then we have the ET and have to wait w/o a word. It was a nice call to see how things were going with meds etc. She said my beta would be Sunday, not Saturday like I thought. When it falls on Saturday they have you come in on Friday and if it's Sunday you come Monday. So mine id Monday. I have 2 HPT's I was going to take Sat thinking that was my beta day. Anyway I asked about HPT's. Of course she discouraged it because she said they use blood because it detects better and you won't get false answers. I already bought the tests so I think I may still use them. Here is my question. Why after an IUI did I take a HPT on day 14, but with IVF, I can't take a HPT on day 14? What's the difference?

DillysGirl · Post by **DillysGirl** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:08 am

ladybug09 wrote:Oh yeah and they said, oh if they dont make it to blastocyst they probably wont be able to freeze. I said nope freeze all my 8 cell stage 2 babies because the have a better chance of thawing out and making it.

I dnt know the exact link but you can go to youtube and type in : IVF CLINICS PREFER NOT TO FREEZE EMBRYOS.

Im not trying to discourage anyone from not listening to their drs but I felt this was something everyone should know. After seeing this I was concerned and felt I did the right thing today for my future babies.

Such a bummer that you had to have this added stress to an already stressful ordeal. Great job sticking up for yourself! My Dh and I went to multiple clinics before choosing the one we are currently with. They were the only ones who made me feel like a person and not a dollar sign! So far they have been like family members and I really enjoy feeling that I am cared about there. After my ET almost everyone in the clinic lined up down the hall and gave me hugs and well wishes!

DillysGirl · Post by **DillysGirl** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:23 am

ladybug09 wrote:Oh yeah and they said, oh if they dont make it to blastocyst they probably wont be able to freeze. I said nope freeze all my 8 cell stage 2 babies because the have a better chance of thawing out and making it.

I dnt know the exact link but you can go to youtube and type in : IVF CLINICS PREFER NOT TO FREEZE EMBRYOS.

Im not trying to discourage anyone from not listening to their drs but I felt this was something everyone should know. After seeing this I was concerned and felt I did the right thing today for my future babies.

Such a bummer that you had to have this added stress to an already stressful ordeal. Great job sticking up for yourself! My Dh and I went to multiple clinics before choosing the one we are currently with. They were the only ones who made me feel like a person and not a dollar sign! So far they have been like family members and I really enjoy feeling that I am cared about there. After my ET almost everyone in the clinic lined up down the hall and gave me hugs and well wishes!

ladybug09 · Post by **ladybug09** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:58 am

Dogz, Lisa, Dillysgirl, thank you guys so much for your support and advice. This whole process is sooooo confusing to me and really frustrated. So now since my remaining 4 eggs are frozen at 8cell stage 2 do they have a good chance to thaw out? How many women have been successful with their pregnancies from an 8cell (not blastocyst) embryo transfer. Wont the embryo grow to blastocyst stage inside of me? I have a headache from all this. I just hope and pray my 2 embies stick to me. I go for my progesterone check up on the 24th and my pregnancy test on the 31. How soon after my transfer can I take a hpt and expect a positive result.Im soo worried. I hope I did the right thing by freezing my eggs today instead of waiting to day 5 because I dont want to have to go through this whole process of hormones again. I went with my gut feeling.

Thx ladies

Lisa10: I feel the same way and worried also but we have to try and stay positive. I pray we both get the results we've been waiting for.

Dillysgirl: Your clinic sounds so welcoming. Thats really nice they make you feel really comfortable and treat you like family.

Sticky dust to all of us

cheekyone · Post by **cheekyone** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:04 am

hey ladies

ladybug hip hip hooray good on you girl for sticking too your guns. My second fresh cycle they retrieved 6 eggs and they all fertilised they took all six to blast stage the best two were transferred 1 early blast and the other morula and the other 4 never made it to blast I was so upset none made it to freezer stage and that cycle was a bfn. And so my last fresh cycle i got 14 eggs of which 8 fertilised. And then i got a call from the embriologist explaining that because my eggs didn't fear too we'll last time to the blast stage they thought it better to freeze them at day 3 so now i have 5 3day embies yay. Their thinking was like u said sometimes embies are better off inside you then sitting in a dish longer. Now in saying that every person is different because my successful pregnancy was from a blast. So i am so glad u stuck to your guns cause i didn't i just went along with what ever they said with heaps of regrets i should have said something heaps of pma to you and u are PUPO

ladybug09 · Post by **ladybug09** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:17 am

Hey cheekyone,
Thats exactly what my concern was.Its like God sent me that youtube video of the lady right before I went for transfer. If I let them try and get to blast I may lose them all on day 5 even though it may be the " best chances of pregnancy" but they all dont make it that far. So I just froze all my day 3 babies because they are the same like what they transfered today.Sometimes the drs just want you to do what they want and sometimes its not the best. They are not God. Yep alot of people get pregnant off day 5 but I didnt want to risk losing all my babies and having to go through this all over again. And you know what was so fishy I told them ok, since I have 4 eggs left over freeze 2 like i want and try to make the other 2 go to blastocysts stage and all of a sudden their whole plan changed and they were like ok we'll just freeze all 4. and they said oh the 2 we were going to let go to blastocysts we dont think would have made it and Im thinking to myself you just told me to let all my eggs go to blastocysts because they were so great and now 2 of them may not have made it. Good thing I just said freeze them all because I have a strong feeling I could have lost all my babies.

Helengb · Post by **Helengb** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:50 am

Ladybug,

It's so hard to know what to do - its sounds like you made the right decision to me - i was gutted that i didn't have anything to freeze chosing day 3 or 5 wasn't even an issue! - and the thought of going through this whole process again scared me to death. I had two embies transferred on day 3 and i am now just over my 2 ww and i have had 3 bfp hpts

!
I still feel like its far too early to get too excited (and i still cant quite believe it i suppose

), but ihope that this will give you some hope.

Its just so hard to know what to do for the best and in a lot of ways there is no way we can predict what is going to happen with any of our embies (as hard as that is to take!!) this is mother nature we are talking about here. We can only make the decision that we feel in our heart is right at that very point in time and then we just have to go with it. Try not to over analyse and relax now and create a lovely, peaceful oasis of calm that your embies wont be able to resist snuggling into!!!

H
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Anyone cycling July/August 09?

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