Hi -- I'm new the board.
Does anyone have experience with False Fertilization.?
I'm trying to find out information for my best friend who's currently attempting her 2nd IVF treatment.
She underwent embryo transfer on Saturday July 31st.
The doc insterted 2 embryos with 8 cells each. Now she is 2ww.
She had 11 eggs removed and was told a day before the transfer only 2 eggs were viable... but the day she went in for the transfer the doctor told her 2 more eggs fertilized but could be false fertilization and lead to genetic problems like down syndrome or spina bifida.
She had the choice to do all four eggs or the 2 original eggs.
She decided to only transfer the 2 original eggs.
Now she's seconding guessing herself and wondering if she should have done all 4 eggs.
Does anyone have experience with False Fertilization?
She does have the option to freeze these eggs and use them later.
Your advice is appreciated!!
Thanks.
Oh BTW my name is Kelly my friends name is Shari.
She and her husband have be ttc for the past 6 years.
She's tried clomaid, a.i. and ivf.
I'm so scared and excited at the same time... I want this to work so badly.
I'm afraid she won't be able to handle another disappointment.
New to Board -- Question about False Fertilization
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ChicagoKelly
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Hello Kelly,
Welcome to the board. I am fairly new to all this too so I'm not sure that I'll be able to help you with your question. I'm not really sure what you mean by 'false fertilisation.'
I can only go from my own experience. In my first cycle of IVF I had 8 eggs collected. Only 5 of these fertilised. On the day of transfer, 2 of the embryos had reached 8 and 9 cells and were of good quality (grade 3 and 4). These 2 were transferred. The other 3 fertilised eggs were only about 4 or 5 cells and were described as poor quallity (grade 1 or 2). I was given the option of transferring one of these 3 aswell but I didn't. I didn't want to be in the situation of expecting triplets.
These 3 poorer quality embryos were kept for 2 days more but they never developed any further. They remained at 4 or 5 cells and were therefore destroyed. I was told that even if they had continued dividing into more cells then their quality was still too poor for them to be frozen.
I don't know why they didn't continue deveoping. I guess there was something wrong with the egg or sperm, or a genetic defect.
I think that Shari has done the right thing. You don't want all you eggs in one basket, as they say. If if doesn't work out this time (and I really hope that it does) then at least she has got the frozen ones to use in the future.
Please pass on my good luck wishes to Shari. She's lucky to have a friend like you who's obviously giving her a lot of support. I really hope it works out for her this time. I would encourage her to join the board as there are a lot of ladies here who can give her extra support.
Barny
Welcome to the board. I am fairly new to all this too so I'm not sure that I'll be able to help you with your question. I'm not really sure what you mean by 'false fertilisation.'
I can only go from my own experience. In my first cycle of IVF I had 8 eggs collected. Only 5 of these fertilised. On the day of transfer, 2 of the embryos had reached 8 and 9 cells and were of good quality (grade 3 and 4). These 2 were transferred. The other 3 fertilised eggs were only about 4 or 5 cells and were described as poor quallity (grade 1 or 2). I was given the option of transferring one of these 3 aswell but I didn't. I didn't want to be in the situation of expecting triplets.
These 3 poorer quality embryos were kept for 2 days more but they never developed any further. They remained at 4 or 5 cells and were therefore destroyed. I was told that even if they had continued dividing into more cells then their quality was still too poor for them to be frozen.
I don't know why they didn't continue deveoping. I guess there was something wrong with the egg or sperm, or a genetic defect.
I think that Shari has done the right thing. You don't want all you eggs in one basket, as they say. If if doesn't work out this time (and I really hope that it does) then at least she has got the frozen ones to use in the future.
Please pass on my good luck wishes to Shari. She's lucky to have a friend like you who's obviously giving her a lot of support. I really hope it works out for her this time. I would encourage her to join the board as there are a lot of ladies here who can give her extra support.
Barny
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ChicagoKelly
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Hi Barney -- Thanks for the reply. Shari's dr. is the one calling the eggs false fertilized. I'm not an ivf patient and not familar with all the lingo, just from what my friend tells me and what I read on the internet. Today she found out her false fertilized eggs didn't make it and won't be able to be frozen. She said that news hit her very hard and is now depressed and worried about the two eggs that were transfered. I'm sure it's just the 2ww anxiety. Shari is my dearest friend, we met way back in elementary school and I would do anything for her. We live in different states but talk on the phone daily. I've told her about this wonderful resource and hope she will log-on. Thanks for your good wishes, I too hope it works for her, you and all the other ladies ttc. Thanks so much!
I had 8 embies fertilize the first day and then they re-exposed the rest and two more fertilized. But those two stopped developing and were not usable.
Reasons for this could be genetic imperfection in the egg or sperm or possibly excess estrogen from Repronex/Follistim. My clinic said that next time they will not use Repronex for me, since my estrogen was a little higher than they like. I also wonder if those eggs may have been slightly immature or overly mature.
Anyway, as everyone says, it only takes one!
Alicia
Reasons for this could be genetic imperfection in the egg or sperm or possibly excess estrogen from Repronex/Follistim. My clinic said that next time they will not use Repronex for me, since my estrogen was a little higher than they like. I also wonder if those eggs may have been slightly immature or overly mature.
Anyway, as everyone says, it only takes one!
Alicia
TTC 2.5 years - Me 38 no tubes; DH 32
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
1st- IVF June 2004 - early MC
2nd - FET Aug 2004 - Twin boys born April 25, 2005!!!
Hi Kelly,
Alicia's right - it only takes one.
Just because the other false fertilised eggs didn't make it doesn't mean to say that the embryos that Shari has had transferred won't continue to develop.
From reading the many messages here, it seems quite common not to get any embies that are suitable for freezing. I think the quality has to be top notch for them to be frozen. Even if you do get to freeze some, there's no guarantee that they will survive the defrosting process anyway.
I was really disappointed too when I didn't get any frozen embies so I know how Shari feels. The 2ww is a few emotional time anyway without these additional upsets. Plus all those drugs mess with your emotions even more. What date does Shari test on?
Barny
Alicia's right - it only takes one.
Just because the other false fertilised eggs didn't make it doesn't mean to say that the embryos that Shari has had transferred won't continue to develop.
From reading the many messages here, it seems quite common not to get any embies that are suitable for freezing. I think the quality has to be top notch for them to be frozen. Even if you do get to freeze some, there's no guarantee that they will survive the defrosting process anyway.
I was really disappointed too when I didn't get any frozen embies so I know how Shari feels. The 2ww is a few emotional time anyway without these additional upsets. Plus all those drugs mess with your emotions even more. What date does Shari test on?
Barny
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ChicagoKelly
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ChicagoKelly
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I 'll keep you updated. I'm crossing my fingers for all the August Testers.
This is a great resource, perhaps they could add a board for husbands, friends and family of ivf patients. Although I'm not going through the actual procedure, I'm definately nervous, excited and have knots in my stomach. I can't stop thinking about the possibility of Shari having a baby... or even worse her not getting pregnant this time. When I became pregnant last year, although very excited I shook with nerves at the thought of having to tell my best friend. Since we live in different state I actually considered waiting until my 9 month to tell her. (She would have killed me, we now laugh about my crazy idea to keep it from her) I was the one she called and cried to when all her other girlfriends got pregnant, and we made awful snide comments about them (just to make her feel better, of course). Now that I have a baby I feel guilty. I know I shouldn't and she really has been brillant.. but still I feel guilty and really want her to get pregnant. Anyway I'm babbling. Take Care.
This is a great resource, perhaps they could add a board for husbands, friends and family of ivf patients. Although I'm not going through the actual procedure, I'm definately nervous, excited and have knots in my stomach. I can't stop thinking about the possibility of Shari having a baby... or even worse her not getting pregnant this time. When I became pregnant last year, although very excited I shook with nerves at the thought of having to tell my best friend. Since we live in different state I actually considered waiting until my 9 month to tell her. (She would have killed me, we now laugh about my crazy idea to keep it from her) I was the one she called and cried to when all her other girlfriends got pregnant, and we made awful snide comments about them (just to make her feel better, of course). Now that I have a baby I feel guilty. I know I shouldn't and she really has been brillant.. but still I feel guilty and really want her to get pregnant. Anyway I'm babbling. Take Care.