january buddies??

AMITHIS · Post by **AMITHIS** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:51 am

Hi everyone,

It has been very quiet on here. I guess most of you are still downregging so not much to report?

I had an appt. on Fri. and, apparently, everything looks good to go ahead with the transfer next week. I was a little concerned by the Dr. mentioning something about 90% of women having a "triple line pattern" in their lining yet I am in the 10% of women that just has a single layer. He said it doesn't make a difference but, when I looked on the internet later, I found some stuff saying that the triple line is a good indicator of implanation. Just one more thing to stress over.

In addition we had to decide whether to use our straw of 3 embryos or the straw of 4 and whether or not to thaw them out the night before the transfer in an attempt to go to blastocyst with them (as of freezing, they were Day 5 morulas so not quite there yet). Between the Dr. and DH's influence, somehow I walked out of there having agreed to use the straw of 3 and to try to go to blast. I'm not feeling too good about this because I just think my chances are crap for actually ending up with anything to transfer.

To make matters worse, if none of them make it, my clinic won't thaw out the 4 for me. I have to start over from the beginning with a completely new cycle in order to use the others.

My transfer, if there is one, is now set up for Fri. the 28th. I'm just trying to mentally prepare myself for a phone call that morning telling me nothing made it.

Staci

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:18 pm

Hi all,

I am new to this... I am on day 9 after ET and feeling very low and unsure as I have had some brown spotting since yesterday and cramp pains (which feel like period pains) is this normal? Can someone please put my mind at rest.... or am I right to worry about this. This is my 4th IVF attempt and I know on my last attempt I had almost the same spotting but before I reached my pregnancy test date it was all over

DebraP · Post by **DebraP** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:36 pm

Staci - Sweetie...don't get down before it's begun. I can understand your having worries but you must start this in the right frame of mind, it's just too difficult otherwise. YOU must believe so as to get through the 2 weeks. The Drs will have given you their best advice, clinics have no interest in failed cycles or negative results. They make money on success and happy clients. They will have your best interests at heart. One thing I didn't understand, why won't they thaw the 4? hopefully you won't need them anyway but what's the reason given?

You know the drill. PMA and afirmations. You both want this so much.

love
Debra.

DebraP · Post by **DebraP** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:41 pm

Desi, Hi and welcome. You've come to the right place. There are several other people on the 2ww right now so you're in good company.

Re. the bleeding. There's a real mixture of experience on the boards with this. Some people have AF type symptoms throughout + spotting, others nothing - which worries them equally. Some people have sore boobs, others despite hoping, feel nothing new right up until test date. The bleeding hasn't stopped some people from getting + results. You've done this before so know how you feel but there doesn't seem to be a uniform response to treatment, some people spot, others don't.

Good luck, I'm about to start a test date thread so please let me know when your date is and I'll pop you on there.

good luck
Debra.

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:52 pm

Hi Debra

I have got my fingers crossed this time and hope that this is just normal... My test date is Friday 24th and I am really getting anxious about it, the good thing is that I am going back to work tomorrow as I have been home for the passed week taking it easy, so that should keep my mind off things some of the time.

Good Luck to everyone who is on their 2WW...

Desi

AMITHIS · Post by **AMITHIS** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:08 pm

Debra,

The clinic didn't give me what I regard as a satisfactory answer for not being able to thaw the 4. I did specifically ask about it just in case none of the 3 made it and they gave me this story about how everything has to be done at a precise time, etc. It is a 5 day transfer either way so I'm not sure that makes sense to me....unless they are considering taking my 5 day morulas (which are actually only a Day 4 level of development) to blast a 6 day transfer. However, if that's the case, I don't know why they are starting my PIO's only 4 days before the transfer which is what they would do for a Day 5 transfer.

I'm so confused. I think I'm going to have to call one of the nurses there tomorrow to try to address this issue again.

Staci

Sand · Post by **Sand** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:38 pm

Hi Desi

Just to say Hi and welcome ....

..... Your test date is Friday 28th ..? Well, only 5 more sleeps to go !! Lots of PMA coming your way. Just because you've previously had spotting, and a -ve result, certainly doesn't mean this will happen again. PMA PMA !!!

Sandra x

Desi · Post by **Desi** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:26 pm

Thanks for the encouragement Sandra God knows I need loads of it..

I spoke to the nurse yesterday as I was getting very worried she actually told me to a PT today (day 10) but I am not so sure as I remember the last time they said that it will not show before day 14 so I am a bit confused about this

Desi

christine202 · Post by **christine202** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:27 pm

Hi everyone hope you are all ok.

Wonder if anyone may be able to answer a question.

As it is my first time at Ivf not sure whether it is quite normal. Yesterday I started on stimms. They have put me on a lower dose as I have PCOs. I have only had one up to now and due another one tonight. Today I have had a real upset stomach and not sure whether it could be linked with the drugs or maybe just feeling a little off anyway.

Just thought I would ask to see if anyone else ha had anything similar.

I am due to go back to the hospital tommorow for a blood test and scan so will mention it.

Take Care everyone.

Speak soon
christine x

Ps Also does anyone know how you input your details that appear at the bottom of some people's messages?

AMITHIS · Post by **AMITHIS** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:55 pm

Christine,

Not sure on the stomach upset issue. I know that when I did my IVF last year, I did have more stomach trouble than normal throughout but I'm not sure which drugs were to blame or if it was the result of my hormones being all over the place. Anyway, I hope you are feeling better!

I just had to sign on here to vent a bit. My MIL, who I know means well, just sent me an e-mail regarding "foods that enhance fertility." Apparently she saw something on the news regarding a new book that is out which detailed certain foods that were bad or good for fertility and how, when certain women followed this diet, they ended up getting pregnant after years of not being able to. Now, I'm sure some of you are thinking what is wrong with that? Well, please note our problem is male factor infertility!! We have told her that. They ran every possible test on me and everything came out normal. Yet, she is constantly sending me stuff which would only apply if the problem was me!! I mean why doesn't she make herself really useful and send my DH articles about how beer is bad for men who have a low count?!

Anyway, I'm probably just getting more annoyed by things than usual due to the medications. Just had to get that out of my system. I was very tempted to send her a snippy reply but I know I'll regret it and just have to keep reminding myself that she is probably trying to help in her own way (?).

Staci

danica · Post by **danica** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:13 am

hello everyone!
man this is so hard! i knew it was going to be a rollercoaster ride but im only at the start of it - does it get worse?!! ive stopped the pill so only sniffing now but my hormones or rather feelings of depression/anger/frustration etc has been accelerated. i know its probably just everything - 4yrs of ttc, the disappointment, the anger of how ppl who dont even try to get pregnant do... ive been working at a womens hospital for almost 9yrs in the childbirth education dept and have seen HEAPS of women get preg who, as snobby as this may seem (im sorry), shouldnt have children because as soon as they have them social services step in and pretty much take over - wheres the justice? its so unfair... anyways, wasnt coping too well at work so have resigned which is pretty major for me coz i like to consider myself a bit of an independant person but now rely on dh who absolutely supports me in every way (god love him!) omg... sorry for my whinge, i know that its ok to do it here but i cant help but feel like a burden to ppl?! maybe coz i also dont have support from dh's family (had a major falling out which is making me go looney too - its a nitemare argh!)
anyways, re the treatment - janeR, is that oestradol you're taking instead of injections? i thought the protocol for ivf was the same worldwide but it doesnt seem like that afterall! we take the pill for a couple of weeks, then start sniffing for a couple of weeks, then have the injections for a couple weeks - how is it for everyone else? also, once the eggs are fertilised the longest they let them divide for is 3 days before ET
christine, burselin is the injections yeah? whats the stimms?
amithis, desi and others on the 2ww goodluck, i am thinking of u and i pray that we get lots n lots of BFP!!!
amithis, re your MIL sending u stuff, i can definately see your anger/frustration and rightly so! can she not admit to herself that its actually her son and not her DIL!! but thats her problem sweetie dont stress over it, maybe it is her way of 'helping'
eek, this is a long post, again, im sorry! btw, what does PMA stand for? im still getting used to the abbreviations!
d xo

danica · Post by **danica** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:31 am

oops, me again!
christine202, i forgot to let you know how to add a spiel at the bottom of your post - there are 7 headings to go into on the top of this page (one of which is where u log in/out). above the 'log in/out' is a 'profile' tab, once in there u'll see a 'signature' option where u can add your spiel!
hope your stomach has settled, maybe its just one of the many side of effects?

d xo

AMITHIS · Post by **AMITHIS** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:19 am

Danica,

What a day you've had!

Others might disagree but I think downregging is associated with the worst moods (well, maybe that and the progesterone at the end) so, in that regard, you might be getting the worst part over with first.

As far as work, don't feel bad about having to rely on your DH for awhile. I stopped working when we moved so I'd have the time and energy to deal with infertility treatment. It just didn't make sense for me to start a new job only to have to start requesting time off right away. It was strange for me too because I've always been very independent and the last time I had not worked was when I was around 15! My DH has been great about being the only one working. He knows I am doing my part in other ways. I'm sure your DH will be the same.

Oh, regarding the different protocols, JaneR (and myself) are doing medicated frozen embryo transfers so some of the meds. used are different than for a full IVF. Basically, we skip the whole stim. phase since we'll be using embryos which were were already created in our last cycles then frozen for later use.

At any rate, have to head to sleep!

Oh - PMA = positive mental attitude (something I could use a lot more of lately!)

Staci

christine202 · Post by **christine202** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:16 pm

hello everyone

Amithis
Thank you for your reply to my question. It helped. Been to the hospital today and they confirmed that it is quite normal to have upset stomach when taking the drugs. So feel a little better now.

Danicia
Hi, bureselin are the injections. I am now on stimms which are also injections. They are not great as have to be injected into the stomach area.I keep tensing up which I suspose is normal, but probably making it worse. Cheers for the tips on how to put the speil on the bottom of my posts, have been trying to figure it out for myself but didn't succeed.

Both of you take care andI will be checking up on your progress.
Appreciate your replies.
love christine x

JaneR · Post by **JaneR** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:38 pm

Hi Everyone,

Hope you are all well and trying to cope with what you are going through.

Staci,

Keep that chin up, PMA girl. Everything is going to be fine on Friday, those embies will defrost fine. But Inkow what you mean about getting ready for the dissapointment thats just what I do and I'm trying not to.

Danica,

The drugs really do affect your moods, you can be so low and emotinal ( as I was all weekend) once you start stimming it will be alot better. Regarding work I am still working but during the treatment i could quite happilly quit.

Anyway better go. I will catch up with everyone else shortly.

Love,

Jane

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