Staci,
I'm really feel for you, it would have been better for them to tell you to wait until Thursday. Lets hope that your little one is a late implanter and you get the result you deserve on Thursday. All our bodies are very different and react in dsifferent ways to the treatment.
I don't often do this but (pray that is) but i will say one for you tonight.
Thinking of you.
Love,
Jane
Staci
Thanks for your thoughts everyone.
I'm getting cramping today so actually hoping AF will just show up and put an end to this stupidity. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if my clinic still made me go back in anyway!!
Somone here in the U.S. actually checked her clinic's written guidelines and they routinely test at 11dpt....even on 3 day transfers! She said if the result is a flat out negative, they tell the patient that's the case and to stop taking all medications. Apparently, this is a top clinic with high success rates that does over 500 IVF's a year. I find it very hard to believe that this or, any clinic, would actually do that if there were even the slightest possibility that a pregnancy could still take place??!
I'm very surprised that I'm not feeling completely upset about the -ive. I guess maybe it's because, between the slow developing embryos and all the -ive HPTs, my expectations were gradually going downhill before going in to test. I mean I'm obviously very disappointed and frustrated but just not completely off the deep end like I was after my failed IVF.
I'm not sure what the next step will be. We have 4 frosties left but I'm not very convinced any of them will work since none from that batch have. Even though I told DH I would never do another fresh IVF (and he was in full agreement that he didn't want me to), the thought is already starting to creep into my head and I know that, if I am going to do it, I'd better decide quick as I am 35 right now. Given that it takes the same amount of time to do the FET as a fresh IVF, I'm just thinking maybe I'd be better off doing another fresh IVF first....maybe even accumulate more frosties then I'd have the FETs to resort to when I'm older. The thing is I have very little confidence in my clinic at this point so would have to think about traveling to a better clinic in another state and I just don't know if that is feasible. Anyway, I am going to wait a few weeks before even mentioning this thought to DH just in case I start feel differently once all these hormones are out of my system.
Anyway, I'll let you all know what happens Thurs. but, short of a complete miracle, I think we can pretty much assume it will be a 2nd negative!
Staci
I'm getting cramping today so actually hoping AF will just show up and put an end to this stupidity. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if my clinic still made me go back in anyway!!
Somone here in the U.S. actually checked her clinic's written guidelines and they routinely test at 11dpt....even on 3 day transfers! She said if the result is a flat out negative, they tell the patient that's the case and to stop taking all medications. Apparently, this is a top clinic with high success rates that does over 500 IVF's a year. I find it very hard to believe that this or, any clinic, would actually do that if there were even the slightest possibility that a pregnancy could still take place??!
I'm very surprised that I'm not feeling completely upset about the -ive. I guess maybe it's because, between the slow developing embryos and all the -ive HPTs, my expectations were gradually going downhill before going in to test. I mean I'm obviously very disappointed and frustrated but just not completely off the deep end like I was after my failed IVF.
I'm not sure what the next step will be. We have 4 frosties left but I'm not very convinced any of them will work since none from that batch have. Even though I told DH I would never do another fresh IVF (and he was in full agreement that he didn't want me to), the thought is already starting to creep into my head and I know that, if I am going to do it, I'd better decide quick as I am 35 right now. Given that it takes the same amount of time to do the FET as a fresh IVF, I'm just thinking maybe I'd be better off doing another fresh IVF first....maybe even accumulate more frosties then I'd have the FETs to resort to when I'm older. The thing is I have very little confidence in my clinic at this point so would have to think about traveling to a better clinic in another state and I just don't know if that is feasible. Anyway, I am going to wait a few weeks before even mentioning this thought to DH just in case I start feel differently once all these hormones are out of my system.
Anyway, I'll let you all know what happens Thurs. but, short of a complete miracle, I think we can pretty much assume it will be a 2nd negative!
Staci
Me 35/DH 41
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
Staci:
Sorry that your clinic is putting you through such a mess at this point. My test results were taken on day 10 on a fresh cycle with a 3 day transfer. Maybe it's different with a FET?
Also, if you're serious about going to another clinic, my good friend did 4 fresh IVF cycles in Highland Park, IL (a suburb of Chicago), and her Dr. actually recommended that she try somewhere else. He said a degree in lab temperature or another drop of something in the embryo dish might make the difference she needed. He recommended a clinic in Denver, CO., noting that it had the best success rates in the US. I remember if you google the key words IVF, Denver, CO the clinic name and statistics come up. Because we were considering starting our quest there, then opted try one locally due to the inconvenience of having to be in CO for 2 weeks. But if my first cycle didn't work out, we were headed there. I also do believe that all of their insurance transferred nicely to that clinic, maybe everything but a few lab fees were not covered the same.
There was someone pregnant with my original 1st trimester thread who actually went there Sfisch (Shannon), but she seems to have dropped off, we haven't heard from her lately so I hope everything is ok with her.
Wish you luck with whatever you decide.
Paige
Sorry that your clinic is putting you through such a mess at this point. My test results were taken on day 10 on a fresh cycle with a 3 day transfer. Maybe it's different with a FET?
Also, if you're serious about going to another clinic, my good friend did 4 fresh IVF cycles in Highland Park, IL (a suburb of Chicago), and her Dr. actually recommended that she try somewhere else. He said a degree in lab temperature or another drop of something in the embryo dish might make the difference she needed. He recommended a clinic in Denver, CO., noting that it had the best success rates in the US. I remember if you google the key words IVF, Denver, CO the clinic name and statistics come up. Because we were considering starting our quest there, then opted try one locally due to the inconvenience of having to be in CO for 2 weeks. But if my first cycle didn't work out, we were headed there. I also do believe that all of their insurance transferred nicely to that clinic, maybe everything but a few lab fees were not covered the same.
There was someone pregnant with my original 1st trimester thread who actually went there Sfisch (Shannon), but she seems to have dropped off, we haven't heard from her lately so I hope everything is ok with her.
Wish you luck with whatever you decide.
Paige
Staci,
I had a day 5 transfer and tested 10 days later. When I started reading the message boards I was really confused about what 2ww meant because I did not have to wait that long. If you tested negative 11dp5dt, I think going in and testing again would be a waste of your time and money, not to mention the added emotional stress.
I am truly sorry that the test was negative. I wanted you to get a positive as much for me as for yourself. I know that sounds selfish, but because both you and I have embryos that were 'slow developing' a positive for you would have given me more hope.
I am glad to hear that you are coping, but I cannot help to get mad because sometimes I think all of us just need to be given a break. A simple thing like having a baby should not be this hard.
Concerning changing clinic I think that is a great idea, and I plan to do the same if my FET is not successful. I know you know this but the CDC publishes statistics for all the clinics in the US. The data is a couple years old, so you would still have to do research on your own. I used the data to narrow down the field of potential clinics I might want to use in the future. I am restricted, however, because money-wise I cannot travel a long distance, but I can commute.
I cannot believe the expense of infertility treatment in the US. I am so lucky that we can afford treatment, but adding the expense of travel, hotel rooms, meals, etc. There just is no way, and it seems unfair.
Well, I have gone on way to long. I think I have done more feeling sorry for myself than anything else.
Mia
I had a day 5 transfer and tested 10 days later. When I started reading the message boards I was really confused about what 2ww meant because I did not have to wait that long. If you tested negative 11dp5dt, I think going in and testing again would be a waste of your time and money, not to mention the added emotional stress.
I am truly sorry that the test was negative. I wanted you to get a positive as much for me as for yourself. I know that sounds selfish, but because both you and I have embryos that were 'slow developing' a positive for you would have given me more hope.
I am glad to hear that you are coping, but I cannot help to get mad because sometimes I think all of us just need to be given a break. A simple thing like having a baby should not be this hard.
Concerning changing clinic I think that is a great idea, and I plan to do the same if my FET is not successful. I know you know this but the CDC publishes statistics for all the clinics in the US. The data is a couple years old, so you would still have to do research on your own. I used the data to narrow down the field of potential clinics I might want to use in the future. I am restricted, however, because money-wise I cannot travel a long distance, but I can commute.
I cannot believe the expense of infertility treatment in the US. I am so lucky that we can afford treatment, but adding the expense of travel, hotel rooms, meals, etc. There just is no way, and it seems unfair.
Well, I have gone on way to long. I think I have done more feeling sorry for myself than anything else.
Mia
Staci, good luck tomorrow for your test. I just checked to see if you'd posted more about your AF feelings.
I hope that one way or another you get your answer quickly.
Mia...chin up sweetie. Your honesty does you credit. We do compare ourselves with others on this board, it's a huge source of support and current information but also gives us extra things to worry about.
Waiting in limbo is hellish.
Hugs
Debra.
I hope that one way or another you get your answer quickly.
Mia...chin up sweetie. Your honesty does you credit. We do compare ourselves with others on this board, it's a huge source of support and current information but also gives us extra things to worry about.
Waiting in limbo is hellish.
Hugs
Debra.
Me: 44, DH: 31
Game Over.
Dates: Aug 02 - May 06
Tries: 5 fresh + 4 frozen.
Results: 1 daughter, 2 m/c, 1 ectopic.
Game Over.
Dates: Aug 02 - May 06
Tries: 5 fresh + 4 frozen.
Results: 1 daughter, 2 m/c, 1 ectopic.
Paige,
Thanks for the clinic recommendation. I'll do a search and see what I can find out. I've actually never been to Denver but have heard it's a very nice place.....not that it would be a vacation by any means!
Mia,
I agree that going back in to test is a waste of time. If it weren't for the fact that I have frosties left at this clinic, I would be venting more of my anger and frustration on them directly and telling them, using words which I probably shouldn't post here, that they can forget it. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll still have to do one more FET there so I don't want to create an uncomfortable situation.
As far as the slower developing embryos, just remember that mine still hadn't even made it to full fledged blasts after thawing them out the night before. I think it is unlikely that will happen in your case. In my case, I really think it may be something to do with the male factor infertility problem. There was an optional test one of the Dr.'s recommended before the IVF to check for genetic fragmentation in the sperm. If it came back showing high fragmentation, it basically would have meant our chances at IVF were about 5 times lower than the average (meaning best not to even bother). We were stupid and decided for him not to do it. I think that test will actually be our next step now before anything else.
Besides, I have noticed quite a few cases where Day 6 blasts have created pregnancies. Unfortunately, I'm just not one of them! Please don't be discouraged by my results.
Debra,
The cramps went away so I guess it's just still the progesterone. You know how AF works. She'll probably appear about an hour after I get home from taking the test!
Staci
Thanks for the clinic recommendation. I'll do a search and see what I can find out. I've actually never been to Denver but have heard it's a very nice place.....not that it would be a vacation by any means!
Mia,
I agree that going back in to test is a waste of time. If it weren't for the fact that I have frosties left at this clinic, I would be venting more of my anger and frustration on them directly and telling them, using words which I probably shouldn't post here, that they can forget it. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll still have to do one more FET there so I don't want to create an uncomfortable situation.
As far as the slower developing embryos, just remember that mine still hadn't even made it to full fledged blasts after thawing them out the night before. I think it is unlikely that will happen in your case. In my case, I really think it may be something to do with the male factor infertility problem. There was an optional test one of the Dr.'s recommended before the IVF to check for genetic fragmentation in the sperm. If it came back showing high fragmentation, it basically would have meant our chances at IVF were about 5 times lower than the average (meaning best not to even bother). We were stupid and decided for him not to do it. I think that test will actually be our next step now before anything else.
Besides, I have noticed quite a few cases where Day 6 blasts have created pregnancies. Unfortunately, I'm just not one of them! Please don't be discouraged by my results.
Debra,
The cramps went away so I guess it's just still the progesterone. You know how AF works. She'll probably appear about an hour after I get home from taking the test!
Staci
Me 35/DH 41
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
i am in the us and my clinic told me to come in and test at 14 days.. some times it can take a little bit for things to get going..
the last thing that i want to do is give you false hope but i wouldnt want you to stop everything and then find out that you are pregnant... maybe there is only 1 chance in a milloin but that is better then no chance..
i do know that 1 person was told that she wasnt pregnant and stop her meds and turned out that she was pergant and then lost the baby because she had stoped her meds..
so do what your doctor says..
there is usaly why they get the big bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my heart does truly go out to you....
becky
the last thing that i want to do is give you false hope but i wouldnt want you to stop everything and then find out that you are pregnant... maybe there is only 1 chance in a milloin but that is better then no chance..
i do know that 1 person was told that she wasnt pregnant and stop her meds and turned out that she was pergant and then lost the baby because she had stoped her meds..
so do what your doctor says..
there is usaly why they get the big bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my heart does truly go out to you....
becky
we werent blessed with our babies to raise here but we our blessed with our grandaughter
and all of our many adopted and foster children that touch our lives
and i am glad to add that our 6th grandchild will be born this spring!!!!
and all of our many adopted and foster children that touch our lives
and i am glad to add that our 6th grandchild will be born this spring!!!!
Oh Staci...., as they say locally, 'fån', which is really quite rude but safe on here.
I'm sorry you got another -ve. I know you half knew but that doesn't change the result. I was so hoping this was your turn. If I could send you that bottle of wine, I would.
You won't leave board for good will you? I've always wanted to stay away afterwards but find myself coming back. The level of support on here is phenomenal and it's true, people who haven't experienced it themselves, don't and can't understand.
Take good care. What's the plan now??
Hugs
Debra.
I'm sorry you got another -ve. I know you half knew but that doesn't change the result. I was so hoping this was your turn. If I could send you that bottle of wine, I would.
You won't leave board for good will you? I've always wanted to stay away afterwards but find myself coming back. The level of support on here is phenomenal and it's true, people who haven't experienced it themselves, don't and can't understand.
Take good care. What's the plan now??
Hugs
Debra.
Me: 44, DH: 31
Game Over.
Dates: Aug 02 - May 06
Tries: 5 fresh + 4 frozen.
Results: 1 daughter, 2 m/c, 1 ectopic.
Game Over.
Dates: Aug 02 - May 06
Tries: 5 fresh + 4 frozen.
Results: 1 daughter, 2 m/c, 1 ectopic.
Thanks Debra. I definitely won't leave the board. There's too many wonderful women on here (such as yourself!) that I wouldn't want to lose touch with. It also really helps me, even when I'm not cycling, just to feel less alone with this problem and the feelings I have. I'm also keeping an eye on another people who I would love to see get +ives!
I think the next step will be having SCSA/SDI testing done on DH to make sure there isn't an even bigger problem there. If that looks ok, then I'll just have to decide whether to use the other 4 frosties or to do another fresh cycle ASAP before I get older. The trick will be not letting myself procrastinate as long as I did last time!
Staci
I think the next step will be having SCSA/SDI testing done on DH to make sure there isn't an even bigger problem there. If that looks ok, then I'll just have to decide whether to use the other 4 frosties or to do another fresh cycle ASAP before I get older. The trick will be not letting myself procrastinate as long as I did last time!
Staci
Me 35/DH 41
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
TTC 4 years
Diagnosis: MF infertility
IVF/ICSI April 2004: -tive
FET Aug. 2004 (canceled due to cysts)
FET Jan 2005: -tive
FET Aug. 2005
Staci....whilst I agree time slips away, you took a break as you saw fit. Don't call it procrastination, maybe 'preparation' instead? 
You'll need to change your signature
so why not take the plunge and make a bold, positive, statement about your plans? Once we've all seen your new timetable, you know there's no wriggling away 
Is DH with you on the tests? Does he agree that keeping the frosties and going for a fresh cycle to save time suits you best? I have to admit, I wish I'd thought of this instead of using our frosties up at the beginning of last year.
hugs
Debra.
You'll need to change your signature
so why not take the plunge and make a bold, positive, statement about your plans? Once we've all seen your new timetable, you know there's no wriggling away Is DH with you on the tests? Does he agree that keeping the frosties and going for a fresh cycle to save time suits you best? I have to admit, I wish I'd thought of this instead of using our frosties up at the beginning of last year.
hugs
Debra.
Hi Staci,
I am painting our bathroom today, and took time out just to see if you had any news. There was of a part of me hoping for a "miracle" today. I am sorry things did not turn out the way you had hoped. I know you are really smart and do your research, and I have little doubt that you will have your baby one day. Keep us posted on your future plans.
love, mia
I am painting our bathroom today, and took time out just to see if you had any news. There was of a part of me hoping for a "miracle" today. I am sorry things did not turn out the way you had hoped. I know you are really smart and do your research, and I have little doubt that you will have your baby one day. Keep us posted on your future plans.
love, mia