The Over 40 Crowd

randa2006 · Post by **randa2006** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:38 am

Sandra,
How nice of you to ask. It has been an unusually busy spring. Still one more trip before we get to stay put and that is my youngest daughter's graduation from high school later this month (she is still in Arizona). My hubby got back from Bhutan yesterday (34 days away from each other was a first since we met 4.5 years ago). No phone or email contact for much of that time made it even harder.
I'm so ready to get on with our next IVF.
How are you? How many days left on your 2ww?
I'm rooting for you BIG TIME!

Sand · Post by **Sand** » Sat May 14, 2005 7:59 am

Hi Randa ..Thanks.. I'm so glad your hubby is back for you. It must have seemed forever ! Being on a countdown to start a cycle always makes me feel chirpier .... So you're all set to start stimming on 23rd ...?? That's great news - not long at all to go ... Yipeee!

I'm okay thanks. I test on 20th, so only 5 more sleeps to go. Not feeling optimisitc about this at all, although I'm still wrapping myself up in cotton wool.

It's a lovely morning here today. Df is going to take me over to my mum's this morning and drop me off (I'm not allowing myself to drive even !), then down to grandma's for the afternoon ... so that'll keep me out of trouble, and pass a few hours ....

You take care, and enjoy some time with dh before the cycle starts ..!

Sandra x

DebraP · Post by **DebraP** » Sun May 15, 2005 4:45 pm

BigJ - glad to hear ET went well. I'll be watching keenly for your success, it's your turn for the big grins soon

Randa - I'm so glad your DH is safely home. 34 day's worth of hugs to make up! How lovely.....make sure you gets lots of support now in the run up to your next cycle.

hugs
Debra

randa2006 · Post by **randa2006** » Sun May 15, 2005 7:00 pm

Great to hear from you, Debra.
How are you? How did your scan go?

DebraP · Post by **DebraP** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:08 am

Randa...following your very kind comments on the other thread re. my ectopic. It was extremely unlikely to happen so please don't add this to your list of worries.

The odds that a tiny corner of tube would remain I guess aren't that small. But the liklihood that one of my embryos would implant there were pretty low. The lowest odds of all though must be that all this happened the day before the scan ,which would have shown us what was going on. Provided you have a scan reasonably early (at 6 weeks maybe and not 7.5 like us) you'd have time to check everything was fine.

The other thing is of course that I had pain on the right side (which is where it was all happening) from week one. Perhaps implantation, perhaps real but way too early to be ectopic pain. If we'd moved the scan forward even just a couple of days, we couldn't have saved the pregnancy but would have avoided the rupture and drama.

The doctors can't stop the embryos from floating up towards the tubes but you might want to check what kind of tubal you had. Mine was 15yrs ago when they used titanium clips which leave tiny amounts of tube still free at the uterine junction. More modern tubals cauterise and seal making entry to the tube impossible.

Hth
Debra

taylorjools · Post by **taylorjools** » Mon May 16, 2005 2:00 pm

Hi girls

Randa, I am so glad your dh is home, I was getting quite worried about you on your own sweetie

now you can make up for lost time

Glad you are starting soon, you've seen so many come and go on this thread and we need to get you to the other side

Thanks for your reassurance D in your last post, I must admit, I am not allowing myself to be +ve, and wont even if we are pg until basic scans are through. I can't beleive that I have had Et atall still it's so hard

thinking of you sweetie, and glad you are OK.

Suz, aaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhh I am only at the beginning of the 2ww and it's terrible

going to have to find a way through this that doesn't involve me being really busy

how are you coping with the time??? Keep trying to remind myself that from here on the wiating just continues.......

Thanks Caroline

Love and kisses

bigJ

randa2006 · Post by **randa2006** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:23 pm

Debra,
Thanks so much for the valuable information. I appreciate you not wanting me to worry needlessly. However... when my dh and I were going to marry a year ago (cancelled that wedding date), we had my tubes reconnected six months prior. So now I don't know what to think. I am still going to ask my doc if it in any way increases my chances for an ectopic just to cover all the bases.
But like you say, the embryos are transplanted into the uterus NOT the tubes. So the only way they can get in the tube is to accidentally float up to that opening????
Please confirm with me that I understand what you are saying (and please forgive me for being so dumb).

How are you doing today, Dear?
You sound like you are bouncing back very well.
I certainly hope you are taking a good break from work. ???

BigJ,
How are you feeling today? You are probably totally right to not think of yourself as pregnant until the scan/test. I protect myself the same way.
I saw your picture on the group site - YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL!!!

Hello to all the other over-40s out there!

taylorjools · Post by **taylorjools** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:33 am

oh Randa

you are very kind. That's a photo dh took of me for my art website, believe me it takes quite a few goes to get a good one

it was taken Aug 2003 so I was just 40 then. I'll try and find an updated one and you'll see the difference!!!

I too have been worrying about ectopic, even before poor D's experience. It's terrible isn't it, you just can't relax at any stage. I have to have a scan on day 10 after the test if it's a +ve so I guess that means any problems would be picked up nice and early

The 2ww is driving me nuts, I should feel so +ve with 3 sweeties inside me, but I feel kind of numb and unreal...

How are you today D??? You poor thing with the AF from hell

nice hot water bottle. You don't have a bath do you???shame, you could have a wallow in ours if you were closer, that always helped me with painful AF. Thinking of you.

Love to you all

bigJ

DebraP · Post by **DebraP** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:56 am

A bath would be lovely BigJ. Am now feeling very, very sorry for myself. Today is Norway's BIG day. National Day, parades and flags and celebrations. DF has taken DD off to take part in her children's parade and I'm not well enough to leave the house. I feel like cr*p right now. Painkillers are having no effect and I burst into tears over nothing. FIL rang to ask if I was feeling better and I heard him stay 'still?', this was enough for me to misunderstand and think they suspect I'm making it all up. Cue tears.

I'm going to sit on the sofa with Pride + Prejudice (gets reread at least once a year), I'm about 30% of the way through so can lose myself in that for a while. DF is supposed to go back to work today, and as a national holiday, would earn oodles but I want him here - selfish I know.

Sorry to wallow.

Randa. Yes you understood correctly. A couple of days before implantion, the embryos float and move around so can end up somewhere quite different from where they were left. I read that 1% of pregnancies are ectopic.

hugs
Debra

taylorjools · Post by **taylorjools** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:06 am

poor old D, you wallow away, I am sure evryone believes you, they probably just don't know what to say. You are the only one who can know how you feel right now and dh can try, but you have a right to feel like total cr*p, and you can let those feelings out all you want

You can have some chocolate too, always helps in AF I find.

Im love p&P, I have the bbc video with Colin Firth - swooooooon , just love it to bits and watch it at least 2-3 times a year. Maybe I should watch it during 2ww, I have a boxed set of Jane Austin Videos from mum for Xmas, so I could really indulge myself...maybe starting this afternoon??? What a good idea

Love to you D - oh trying to pluck up courage to try tofu, just need dh to take me to a health shop..have soya milk already, that's OK.

bigJ

JudeM · Post by **JudeM** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:54 am

BigJ

Glad to see that you're back safe & well from sunny Barcelona.

Congratulations on the 3 embryos - now comes the hard part..just rest, relax and try to think positive.. I know, easier said than done.

Your idea of settling down with the lovely Mr Darcy sounds wonderful.

Good luck & hope to see you on the other side soon.

Love

Jude

taylorjools · Post by **taylorjools** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:56 am

Thanks Jude, you know it's thanks to you that I am in my 2ww and not waiting for my first appointment with another Spanish clinic...thank you

I was going to PM you and ask you why you had 3 put back before we went to Barcelona, as I was tempted to go for 3 anyway - and look what happened

I do hope your lovely twins are doing well sweetie

Love bigJ

JudeM · Post by **JudeM** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:15 pm

BigJ

We had 3 put back because they weren't convinced the 3rd one would survive freezing & thawing & wanted to give it the best chance of survival.

I guess it didn't work as only 2 implanted & I assume they were the 8 & 7 cell embryos..but who knows?

I'm glad you are happy with IM, I've found them very friendly & extremely thorough and professional.

Newspaper reports said that going overseas for treatment would mean that you didn't get the follow-up treatment you get in the UK. After the one attempt at egg sharing we did in this country didn't work, the 'follow-up treatment' consisted of asking us if we wanted to go back on the waiting list & then hearing nothing more from them!

I know which follow-up I think is better!

Take care.

Jude

taylorjools · Post by **taylorjools** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:27 pm

Can only agree with you sweetie

we get the best of both worlds as the German system is very good, and we are getting good support here too (apart from having to wait 2 days for HCG Beta test agggghhhhhh!!! going to see if I can get it done privately or something)

Did you have a scan 10 days after testing as well???? Is that when they found the twins???? George and Victoria must be very proud of you

Love bigJ

JudeM · Post by **JudeM** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:08 pm

BigJ

I was a good girl & did am hpt on day 14 (Sunday) & when it was positive I had a blood test the next day. I had mine done privately so we had the results the same day, I think they have a 4-5 hour turnaround.

We waited a little longer for the scan - 17 days from getting a positive.

This was because last time I had a positive it turned out to be a biochemical pregnancy and there was nothing to see on the scan. I think I was partly putting off having a scan in case the same thing happened again & also I wanted to be sure we were at the stage where we would be sure to see a heartbeat.

I'm part coward/part pessimist so I would have been a gibbering wreck if they had detected a sac but it was too early to pick up the heartbeat.

I still can't believe its has worked.

Love

Jude

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