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[Terri2]

Hi Chel

I think you have done the right thing leaving work, now you can just focus on getting healthy and ttc. don't feel guilty. At times like this you really need to do everything to make sure you are relaxed and stess free. They will manage!

I know what you mean about Singapore. It is small and we saw a lot in a short time. I love it though. I lived in Darwin for 3 years in Australia. When I first moved there I thought it was amazing, 2 weeks later I was thinking 'what can I do now' I was extremely bored! Its also a small place that you can get around in one day! I've never regretted living there mind you as I made some lovely friends and best of all I got my dog there (who I brought back to the UK with me!). I always say to him 'Even when I have a baby, you will always be my first baby!'

sounds like you have travelled a fair bit. I never got to New Zealand but would love to one day.

Enjoy being a housewife!!!!!!!!
My neck is still killing me but I'm kind of enjoying being able to relax at home myself!

[souris]

Hello girls, what a great thread!!

I cannot bare my mood swings anymore!!
one day i am feeling really positive and the next i will feel like crap.
The worst is that when i am feeling down I take it on DH ...
he is very nice but I wish he was more involved in the whole process.

Yesterday was a good day, and we were talking about january (my next attempt for ICSI) and discussing names and things like that and he told me " you will be so disappointed if it doesnt work"
And this was enough to spoiled the rest of the day... i know he did not mean it in a bad way,... I feel so guilty sometimes to be so hard on him...

Do you sometimes get mad at your doctors or am i the only one??
DH and I leave abroad (but I do my IVF back home) which makes it really difficult for the appointment (planned on holidays, flights, avaibility etc... )
My doc told me she needed to see DH before she could proceed with IVF, for him to give his ok. So I arranged everything, we got there, she saw him and said it was ok for me now to go ahead with the tmt, even if he is not here on the day we need to take his sperm out of the freezer.

So i was happy it was done as DH need to go abroad for his job. Then I got an email from a 2nd doc (the biologist) telling me that she will not start the tmt until she sees DH!!!!!!!
Well cant the docs speak with eachother!! Now Dh is back to work, there is no way he can come back! ARRRRGGGGGHHHH
What a bunch of wan*ers!!
It is already difficult to go through the tmt alone, i do not need all this hassle!!

So Sorry to go on and on, but feel sometimes ever1 is against me!!


Take care!
xxx
souris

[Mrs M]

Hi Ladies,

Hope everyone is ok.

Hi Terri, How is your neck? hope not feeling as still...lol... poor you! least you have been signed off work, and enjoying being a home relaxing especially before DH comes home. Not to many sleeps left now.
Hows the valium, never taken that stuff before.
How sweet is the name Edith, I kinda like that, old fashioned names seem to be making a come back. DH mate at work has had a little boy called Jude (think they like Jude Law). I seem to have a few names in place for ourselves but its not as easy for us is it. Im sure our turn will come.. PMA..PMA..PMA.... Are you enjoying daytime TV, kinda boring somedays don't you think.
Ive been out allday today, as its half term I took my best friends 5yr old Son (Kai) bowling with my 5yr old Godson (Sam), really enjoyed it, very tiring, having 2 kiddies with you all the time...only joking... wouldn't moan in the slightest!
What kind of dog have you got?? i have a Golden retriever, Holly,, she is the most loving thing Ive ever had, such a character. DH brought her for me two and a half yrs ago for my bday, best pressie ever, she is my baby too, always will be...

Chel - How are you after leaving work? you seem to sound ok. im sure you will miss the children, but hey its for good cause, you will be having one or two of your own very soon . glad you got no regrets, not worth leaving if you feel you will regret it. We should never regret anything.
You can relax and concentrate on your treatment from now. I know exaclty what you mean when you say you become sad when you think of your 1st cycle especially being a -ve, I felt and had the same experience. Try not to think of the next result date, Im going to try and block it out as much as I can for next cycle, i think it makes the 2ww drag out more. Im going to plan to get into a good book or watch some DVDs or videos I like, may help the 2ww go by quicker, but who am I kidding, you can try anything, but still think it will drag out.

KTF - How did your blood tests go? silly question I suppose as its probably to early for the resutlts. You will be pleased to know I have ditched the hoover for a few days....Hee hee hee! hope your ok. Try sticking to the PMA, PMA PMA.....

Souris - How are you? Hope your feeling a bit chirpier!!
don't worry about taking your mood swings out on DH, I did the same, he was fab, suppose we take things out on those who we are closest too.
Nice to hear you had a good day yesterday.
Yep I agree with you, I do get mad at Drs sometimes and yes they do not seem to communicate with each other. Makes you so made doesn't it.
So sorry to hear you will be going through tmt alone, remember your not entirly alone, us ladies will be online when we can, or be with you in spirit. We will give you all the support you need. When do you think you will be starting your treatment? do you have a rough idea.

love to all,,

Mrs M
p.s us hormonal ladies have a good thread going dont we.

[Terri2]

HI Souris

Sounds like you have been messed about a bit there so not surprised you are angry. Its frustrating when you are told different things and totally unfair on you. I do wish everyone would communicate more effectively. I think they forget how stressful all this can be. Well I doubt many of them have had personal experience of infertility anyway.

I know about the mood swings. A woman at my local support group said she had major mood swings and burst into tears really easily when she was on drugs for IVF. I said "I don't need drugs to get me like that, I'm like that anyway!"
Its like for the last few weeks I have felt positive and good but I know that I could come crashing down at anytime!!!!!!!!! Its a nightmare!

[Terri2]

Hi Mrs M, I think our posts just crossed over then, that totally confused me! Thought I had posted on the wrong thread!

My neck has slightly more movement in it but still hurts as much (thanks for asking). I did a bit of yoga today and I think it helped.
I'm going for acupuncture tomorrow. I shouldn't be driving but my mum is going to come with me for support! I just refuse to miss a treatment this week when I feel like its doing me good.

I spent the afternoon at mums, she made me pumpkin soup, very nice! My sister and nephews were there too which was lovely.
Valium.........very good stuff! Its only a small dose so just makes me feel slightly tired. Its just to relieve the muscle spasm. Can't take it tomorrow though as driving!

We have ideas for names too..........nothing wrong with that as it can be seen as PMA!

daytime tv really is shocking!!!!!!!!!! I like This Morning although finding it hard to look at Kate Garaway holding her pregnant belly (five minutes after she got married). I might watch a dvd tomorrow arvo.

Kids are tiring! not that I'd moan either. When I have my nephews I'm exhausted afterwards. Good exhausted though, they are adorable. My oldest Nephew (Sam also!) kissed my neck better today and totally believed me when I said its all better now after he did that.

Golder Retrievers are one of the best breeds! Lovely dogs. My dog is a cross german shepard/doberman with something else (something aussie I think). He's about the size of a doberman. He is sooo cute. He was 1 when we got him and came with baggage. Hes noise phobic which means for the next month or so I can't walk him the evenings due to fireworks. He is not keen on men he doesn't know, when we first got him he was really bad with this! We have done a lot of training with him to get him to be a more confident dog. He copes a lot better now and even likes most men! Well as long as they ignore him when they first meet him. I often refer to him as my psycho dog...........if he could talk I would have him in counselling. Sad to think of what might have happened to him before to get him like this. He's a total mummy's boy.

I love this thread too. My life now revolves around this site! I feel like I have made some new friends!

[Terri2]

I'm feeling a bit thick. I just realised that I should be taking clomid for 5 days not 4 like I have been. Don't ask me how I got this wrong (and me an ex-nurse!). I only realised when I saw I had too many tablets left and then the penny dropped. It says take from day 2-6 and I just saw that as 4 days. dont ask me how.
mind you I had follicle tracking and it seemed to be working!

Now I'm wondering if thats why I never got pregnant. Have I caused myself and my dh all of this stress? Feeling very stupid.

[Chel]

hi everyone,

Aw.. dear terri, sorry that you are feeling bad about the medicine. I 'm not sure whether it would have anything to do with not getting pregnant but I feel that one tab would have not caused so much. Please don't feel bad about this, why don't you call your doctor and clarify if possible. Sorry I am not of much help on this matter as I am not sure of clomid. If that 1 tab had caused the delay then be happy that you have better chance the next time when you take for 5 days. If that 1 tab would have nothing to affect then be happy that you have not caused any stress to yourself or DH (I'm not sure if this will help you feel better) Take care I will be thinking of you...........

mrs M, I agree with all that you said abt the 2ww. Thank you for adding on to my PMA by saying that I will have one or two of my own, I was soo... happy to read that. I wish all of us the same and keep everything crossed for us. You are doing great after your first cycle (after what happened) believe me I was not even ready to think about anything to do with having a baby for years after the -ve. Great job Mrs M, keep up the PMA. Strong people will always succeed, its just a matter of time. Rest well and be happy

Souris, sorry abt your mood. we all have expereinced what you are going through. There were many days I would quarrel with DH on our 2nd ICSI cycle and wonder why don't he "understand". I have also been very angry with the doc and nurses for being insensitive at times. You won't believe what my the first doc said to announce that we are IF, he said "well your husband can never make you pregnant, so you have to find someone else if you want to be pregnant naturally". Both DH and I were shocked (he wasn't joking he was serious). DH was very withdrawn and dull for weeks after that. I was very furious with the doc who caused DH so much distress. But your case seems to be like the doc do not have a proper system going. I think you should clarify the rest of the tmt proces clearly with them to avoid any miscommunication. Hope you are feeling better today. Remember this site is full of people like us and we are not alone. Moreover, this is a great thread where you can get all the support you want and make reall friends who would care and share so don't worry, be happy (it's easy said than done but keep trying).

love all

[souris]

Chel, Terri, Mrs M

THANK you so mcuh for your emails.... I feel MUCH better!!

Terri, I dont think one tablet would make such a big difference... But I agree with Chel, you should make sure by calling your doc...No need to blame yourself , we all are under loads of pressure. and we are only human!!

Chel, when are you starting Tmt??
Msr M, I have a labrador... sooo nice (but a bit stupid sometimes )
I always had german sheperd, and the labrador is very different. He is my baby too and so nice with children!!

Ladies, take care, loads of PMA for all!!
love
souris

[Terri2]

thanks for your words of support. As there is nothing I can do about it now, I'm not going to call my doctor. I told my husband and he didn't get it at first, from what I said he thought 4 days too so then I felt less stupid! If I'm thick, so is he so we are well suited he he he. i have stopped beating myself up now as I know that taking 4 still made me ovulate as the tests showed this. My DH just laughed about it. He's such a sweetie.

This month I am sure I ovulated by myself, no drugs! I had to miss a month of clomid as DH was away and I had the test. For the first time in 2 years I had a 4 and a half week cycle (normally 5-8wks) and I am sure I felt ovulation pains. I have made many changes so don't know what has affected it. I have changed diet, taking vitamins, having chinese herbs, having acupuncture and given up caffeine. I do feel better in myself too. I got AF yesterday and for the first time I have not needed pain killers. The acupuncturist asked me yesterday if pain had got better with AF but at that point i didn't know. It MUST be having some effect! AFter this month on clomid I really want to give it a go without anything.
The other odd thing too..........since taking chinese herbs I no longer have cold hands. They asked me about that when I first went and I told them my hands are always so cold that people comment on it! Anyway, now they are always warm even when its cold outside. Its bizarre, I have ALWAYS had cold hands since a child.

Chel I can't believe what your doctor said! I would have made a formal complaint! That is unforgiveable. No wonder your husband felt so bad.
When my cousin was told she has severe endo and may never have kids, her doc said "at least its not cancer!" Strangely enough she felt better from that comment. I think I would have slapped him!!!!!!!!!

I used to be a nurse and know that some doctors just have no bedside manner whatsoever. My worst experiences though have been as a patient. I once had a colposcopy and diathermy due to pre-cancerous cells (cervix) and the doctor (Walsgrave) was so bad I felt completely traumatised. I thought it was normal to be in that much discomfort until I had another one in Oz and hardly felt a thing. The way he spoke to me was terrible as well. I was in tears. Most of the bad ones are consultants aren't they? They should not be given that job if they can't communicate with people as thats a big part of the job. The consultant I have now (Mr Keay at Walsgrave) has one of the nicest bedside manners I have ever come across. Hes lovely and I feel that I can ask him anything.

I felt a bit down yesterday as I think I will ovulate just after I leave for New York (DH is not coming with me) so we miss yet another go this month. Theres a possibility I'll ovulate before but even on clomid I'm often a few days late. Please send positive vibes to my hormones so that I ovulate before I go?!!!!!!!!!!

[souris]

Terri,

all my thoughts are with your (hopfully very soon) ovulation!!

It sounds great all these changes you are feeling (I also have the cold hands problem, dont know where it comes from??)
If you ovulated naturally once, surely it gonna happen again!!
And even your cycle went back to "normal"!! I dont know what you are doing, but obviously it is doing something good to your body!

The best of luck and loads of PMA!!

Take care
souris
xxx

[KTF]

Hi Girls,

Thought I would update you on my consultation as some of you have been kind enough to ask about it.

Overall it went quite well, although hated the consultant! He really didn't like the fact that I had bothered to find out anything for myself, said the progesterone test I had was a waste of time as they don't care if I ovulate as they will give me drugs to do this (even though it was their letter that told me to have the test, but apparently this is just a standard letter) and when I asked if he would check my tubes, he said why, if their blocked then it doesn't matter for IVF. I said yeah but what about the increased risk of ectopic and he shrugged and said nothing they could do about that anyway, just a waste of time checking. Waste of time seemed to be his favourite phrase! I knew I wouldn't like him anyway because of what others have said (Terri – think you will know who I mean – Mr K but not Keay!)

Other than that we were happy with the stats he gave us for our chances. We had a few blood tests done (HIV, Hep B & C and another for DH). I also had a scan and some swabs taken.

All was well with the scan, healthy and normal looking ovaries, womb normal except he thinks he might have seen a polyp. Think it is just a skin tag and he didn’t seem overly concerned, just said it would need removing before we started treatment. He isn’t even sure he really saw one, so have to go for another scan in 3 weeks to check.

Next step for us is an appt on 16th Dec to talk about surgically removing DH swimmers! This is to see the specialist and then the op will be shortly after. Likely to be Jan with Christmas etc. Then if all goes well we will start our cycle in Feb/March.

Off for my FSH blood test on Weds if AF arrives on time. Usually I am spot on but you can guarantee it playing up just when it is needed! Last month it actually came early but I think that was because I was stressing.

Terri – sorry to hear about your mix up, but like the others say, it either won’t make a difference or if it did you will have so much more chance next time. I really hope you ovulate before you go off to NY. Shall we all do an ovulation dance for you?

Souris – glad you are feeling much better. This is a great thread, we have all felt much better since joining it!

Mrs M – Your Holly sounds lovely. I wanted a Golden Retriever or maybe a chocolate labby, but me and DH work full time and it wouldn’t be fair as we don’t live near family anymore. Glad you ditched the hoover, putting us all to shame like that!

Chel – Doctors are unbelievable aren’t they. Seems the more emotional the treatment is, the worse the doc’s bedside manner! I certainly found that out this morning!

Better go girls, I am supposed to be working over to make up for time lost this morning.


KTx

[Terri2]

Hello

Souris, the Chinese believe that everything revolves around the kidneys and so start by treating them. I would think personally that cold hands means poor circulation. However, if your kidneys are sluggish (which the chinese doctor said mine were) then I guess that will affect everything else since they do such a big job.

KT, sorry you had a bad experience with the other Mr K! Yes I know exactly who you mean. My sister and cousin were under him. My sister said he wasn't overly friendly but just straight to the point. My cousin said worse things but at the same time trusts him completely. From what I Have heard his bedside manner is not usually great.
However, I had him for my HyCosy just cos my test landed on the day he was doing them. He was lovely to me, even joked around with me. When I described this to my cousin and sister they said that doesn't sound like him! guess I just got him on a good day. I even said to him "thanks for being so nice!" can you believe that! I had the worst experience though 10 years ago with another gynae consultant at Walsgrave and never want to see that man again.
Like you said, the more emotional the treatment, the worse the bedside manner! it often goes that way. I think my experience with Mr K was unusual. I don't know why they are like that. You know my last post that told you about my cousins doc saying "at least its not cancer" when he said she may never have kids? Same doc you saw this morning. How she thought that was okay I do not know!
Does DH see a different doc for surgery then? I'm really pleased things are getting moving for you. Time goes so quick Jan/FEb will be here before you know it.

I know what you mean about AF. Never comes when you want it!

By the way, I love if the idea of an ovulation dance for me..........I hope you will all join in! he he he.

You shouldn't have to work overtime when you are at a doctors appointment. I don't do that! Its not like we can go at the weekend, we have no choice.

I went to the osteopath tonight for my neck. He was talking about doing acupuncture and said had i had it before and I said yes. He asked what for so I told him and he then said has this been stressing me out. I told him about it all and he really feels that is whats caused my neck to go on me. Said when I'm stressed I hold myself differently and its tightened all the muscles up. Felt a bit teary on the way home after talking about it again but am okay now.

[KTF]

Hi Terri,

Is DH home today? Hope you have a fantastic weekend if he is! I am off to a Halloween party in fancy dress tonight, so will be doing that ovulation dance for you.

Was your hycosy a hysteroscopy? I think this is what I might need to have if I have that polyp. How long was the waiting list for you? Hoping it isn’t a major wait because if I have a polyp then don’t want it to delay the start of treatment next year. Your right though, with Christmas coming up the time is going to fly by!

That guy is probably right about your neck, it is easier said than done to relax though isn’t it. Hopefully your holiday to NY will help with this.

I have to make up all the time I have off for doctors appointments, and then all the scans etc once the treatment starts, then when I have full days off for the egg collection and embryo transfer I get paid for half the time, the other half unpaid. Not great, especially as we have fixed holidays here so I don’t even have the option of taking holiday. If I need this op for the polyp though, then that will just be paid, because it is a necessary op. They are worried about setting a precedence and that people who might want other “non-essential” things will want time off (comparing cosmetic surgery to IVF!) Oh well, I did think they would be even worse about it, so this isn’t too bad. Plus they acknowledged that it might take more than once which was good (not that it will PMA!) My boss has been great about it, it is just the HR rules.

Hope you have a great weekend!

KTx

[Mrs M]

My God Ladies - so much to catch up on here, Ive only been away for 2 days...lol....
As you know im not working at the moment (put 2 smiley faces as some days its nice to be out of work and other days its kinda boring,k suppose I take it for granted, but don't we all...hee hee).

Ive been babysitty or should I say toddler sitting for 2 days. Sam my godson and Kai my best mates son. Over the last 2 days have been bowling, wacky warehouse (twice but different places) and cinema to see Nanny Mcphee (was kinda good).

Terry - how are you diddling? Is your neck an better? Have you enjoyed your week off? Your Dr sounds spot on about why you have a bad neck, stress works and causes all different types of problems, especially movements, who would have thought it bad necks from stress!
Is DH home yet, or are you sat waiting by the front door for him, bet you can't wait to see him, when was last time you saw him? how come he works overseas...Im being far to nosey I think?
I love this thread too, I feel exactly the same, my life rvolves around it, DH has even started dropping comments like, chatting to your penpals again...LOL.... he also said keep it up especailly as we are helping and supporting each other.
Sorry to hear you have just realised you had only been taking clomid for 4 days not 5, Im sure this will not have any effects on you ovulating. What did the Dr say (sorry if you have already posted that answer). I think it seemed to be working ok for you, as you say you have had a normal cycle, everything esle seems to be working fine too, what ever your doing, you are working wonders at this by taking herbs, change in diet everything. Makes me look think im not bothered, I really have got to get a grip with it, Im going to start my healthy cycle from Monday. maybe you could help me by asking me if im actually doing it. That goes to all you ladies to,, i need a bit of encouragment, you would not think im feeling like this would you, by having a 1st -ve. Maybe thats how I have reacted to the knock back..
I will join in on the Ovulation Dance too, will have to search for a dancing smiley..
I have everything crossed for you to ovulate while DH is home. This is your time now Terri I can feel it in my water...
Have you found you have lost any weight by changing your diet and eating more healthy?

Chel - Hope your well? Im not to sure Im as strong as i come across, I have been known to be strong, I think im one of those ladies who may try to hide her feelings on the front to the outside world... You beleive it when I say you will have one or two of your own, lovely feeling isn't it just thinking about it. I feel teary just thinking about it.
I can't believe the Dr spoke to you and DH like that, what a W$$$$$! I understand when you day DH felt very withdrawn and dull for weeks, our fertility problem is male factor. when our Dr told us we would like be able to have a baby natually he went into a low depression, was not himself for a while, so daunting isn't it...Some Drs really do not care about what they say or how they say it do they. Think the government should include bedside manners on Dr and nurses training!!! Hope you and DH are bearing up now.

Souris - How are you doing? Nice to hear you feel better afe so many emails. My Holly is stupid at times and also clumsy, makes me laugh. What is your labrador called?

KTF - How are you doing? Very happy to hear your consultation went quite well, bummer you didn't like the consultant though, I know that feeling, very hard to relax too. So happy you know have the ball rolling, Feb/March will be hear before you know it, you have xmas to look forward to which will also keep you busy, beleive me time does fly while waiting for appointments etc, its the 2ww that drags...
shame you can't have a retriever, I think im lucky as we live by our families, while Im at work my Mum lets Holly out (so spoilt). You will be pleased to know I have done my hoovering for today....hee hee
hee
I used to have to make all the time up for appointments etc. It will all be worth it, lots of PMA while making the time up, you will feel its worth working over for.. especially when you will be on maternity leave
Enjoy your hallowene party, don't forget to do the DANCE!!!!.. you party lady!!! have fun

Well ladies, sorry to have gone on abit, but I love this thread so much.
Have a great weekend all and happy halloween!!

have fun

love Mrs M xx loads of PMA..PMA...PMA

[Terri2]

Hello

Just a short one today as neck is sore after osteopath! Got a bit pee'd off today as I spoke to my boss. I said I didn't know if I'd be back on Monday yet as my neck has not greatly improved. She then went on to tell me that we have a meeting on Tuesday and she really hoped I would be there. If I can't my colleague can go and she knows just as much as I do so it wouldn't be a problem! I was really annoyed at being made to feel guilty for being off. Especially as its work that has kept this problem going due to not getting enough time for breaks etc. Stress may have started it but work has made it worse. The crap thing is she knows how much I love my job and I would never be off unless I had to be!

theres my whinge for the day.
Maybe its being back on the clomid, making me sensitive and grumpy. Am sitting next to an open window as very hot!

Missed you Mrs M for the 2 days you were away! See you spend a fair bit of time with your godson too. I love my nephews to bits. My eldest one Sam came round today while his mum went shopping. Kissed my neck better again! He wanted to stay all day but he had to go home in the arvo as I was falling asleep (valium!).

DH back tomorrow, hurray!!!!!!!!!!!! My sister took me shopping today to buy some food for his buffet. I'm making him pumpkin soup, free range chicken salad (he should be privaleged as I NEVER cook meet normally), nice little cheeses and biscuits and a few other things. Its been a 41/2 weeks since I saw him. I've been so busy its gone quite quickly, plus spoke to him every other day!
My DH I think would have been very worried about leaving me for Oz if it wasn't for this site. He's so glad I found it. I had been so bad this time but when I found this place he breathed a sigh of relief!
Didn't tell the doctor about the pills, didnt see the point. Felt stupid enough and didn't see what I would gain from telling him.

Let's start this healthy cycle together on Monday! I have been bad the last few days, have been eating chocolate through boredom! Even ate a whole big bar of green and blacks organic choc today! I had lost weight but being off work I have put it back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm not overweight but since being on clomid had some extra weight around my belly. I'm normally about 10 and a half stone and went up to 11! Still okay for my height (5ft9in).
I hope you are right about this being my time! I will remain indifferent this month though. Every month I get my hopes up and then am devastated. So this month (if we get to try) I am going to assume it hasn't worked again. I'll be in NY anyway so that will distract me.
I hope its your time too!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would be great if it happened for all of us on this thread around the same time.

KT I think the HyCosy is a new test as noone seems to have heard of it. Its like a Hysterosalpingogram but instead of being done under x-ray its done under ultrasound. Have you ever had follicle tracking where they do an internal ultrasound? Well its done the same way. They use a speculum and insert the catheter through your cervix, then take the speculum out and put the ultrasound thing in so they can watch it all. Someone at the support group said they have only recently started doing this.
The waiting list was about 6 months. AGain I was very annoyed. He said about 3-4 months and then I had to wait ages. I ended up calling up and moving it amonth forward but to do this they said it would be private and cost me £200. Then when I got the letter they said there had been a cancellation so I got it on the NHS and paid nothing. If you have to wait, keep ringing each week to see if they get a cancellation. One of the nurses originally said would I like her to try and get it brought forward but at that point I said no as DH was away and it suited me to have it while he was gone. So if you do get a long wait, have a word with one of the nurses. I think it was Louise who said that to me.

I still don't agree with you having to make that time up! Why should the rest of them even know about you being off. I do think thats mean. I'm joining a union so that I get no problems down the track with stuff like this.

If you have the same doc (Mr K) for the procedure, even though mine hurt, I did feel he was gentle as he could be. He has a deep look of concern and concentration on his face which worried me. So I told him and he said not to worry he always looks like that! Let us know when you get your appointment. If you think about it, they must get a lot of cancellations as some probably get pregnant before and also It has to be in the first 2 weeks of your cycle I think ideally. So many people would have to change dates as most of us can't control that!!!!!

Thanks for doing an ovulation dance for me he he he he he. If I ovulate, it will all be thanks to you lot!

did I say this would be short? god I talk too much!
Have a great weekend everyone.