Feb/Mar 08 Cycle Buddies

Discussion forum for those particularly interested in IVF and embryo transfer including frozen embryo transfer.
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Post by kbat »

I know this will be a long post, and may not really apply to this thread--just more of an FYI thing that I cut and pasted from that website that I listed before. Maybe someone will find it useful??? hope everyone has a wonderful day :D

Does your state mandate fertility benefits?
More than a dozen states require insurance companies to offer varying forms of benefits for fertility treatments. There are generally two kinds of mandates; to "cover" treatments; and to "offer to cover" fertility treatments. (see definitions below)

These requirements, however, don't apply to employers who self–insure. At this moment, there are no federal laws requiring insurance coverage for treatments. Please note that coverage for states listed below may change at any time.

States with a "Mandate to Cover".
What does a "Mandate to Cover" mean? It's a law that requires insurance carriers to provide a certain kind of benefit. In this case, insurers in the following states must provide some level of fertility treatment benefit in every policy and include the cost in the policy premium. See the specific states below for details and limitations.

If you need help understanding these mandates, feel free to ask to speak with an insurance benefits specialist at Fertility LifeLines™ at 1–866–LETS–TRY (1-866-538-7879).

For more information about any of the mandates listed here (and to determine if your state has recently changed or enacted an infertility insurance mandate), you should contact your state's Department of Health or Department of Insurance.

Arkansas
Mandates insurance carriers that provide maternity–related benefits to cover IVF. Allows insurers to impose a lifetime benefit cap of $15,000. Health maintenance organizations are exempt from the law.

Hawaii
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover one cycle of IVF, only after several conditions have been met.

Illinois
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover the diagnosis and treatment of infertility, including various ART procedures, but limits first-time attempts to four complete oocyte (egg) retrievals, and second births to two complete oocyte retrievals. Insurance carriers are not required to provide this benefit to businesses (group policies) of 25 or fewer employees.

Louisiana
Mandates insurance carriers to cover the "diagnosis and treatment of correctable medical conditions." Thus, insurers may not deny coverage for treatment of a correctable medical condition to someone solely because the condition results in infertility. Coverage is not required for fertility drugs; in vitro fertilization or any other assisted reproductive technique; or reversal of tubal ligation, a vasectomy, or any other method of sterilization.

Maryland
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover IVF after a two–year wait following diagnosis, with no wait required for certain diagnoses. Insurance carriers are not required to provide this benefit to businesses (group policies) of 50 or fewer employees. Religious organizations can choose not to provide coverage based on their religious views. A carrier may limit IVF benefits to three attempts per live birth, not to exceed a lifetime maximum benefit of $100,000.

Massachusetts
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover comprehensive infertility diagnosis and treatment, including ART procedures.

Montana
Mandates HMOs (but not other types of insurers) to cover infertility treatment as a basic health care service. The law does not define "infertility services", and some HMOs exclude IVF.

New Jersey
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover comprehensive diagnosis and treatment of infertility, including assisted reproductive technology procedures, but limits attempts to four complete oocyte (egg) retrievals per lifetime. Insurance carriers are not required to provide this benefit to businesses (group policies) of 50 or fewer employees.

New York
Mandates coverage for the diagnosis and treatment of correctable medical conditions. Requires coverage for the diagnosis and treatment of infertility for patients between the ages of 21 and 44, who have been covered under the policy for at least 12 months. Certain procedures are excluded, including IVF, GIFT, reversal of elective sterilization, sex change procedures, cloning, and experimental procedures. Plans that include prescription coverage must cover drugs approved by FDA for use in diagnosis and treatment of infertility (including Ovulation Induction (OI)). The law does not apply to HMOs.

Ohio
Mandates HMOs (but not other types of insurers) to cover infertility treatment as a "preventative" benefit. The treatment must be "medically necessary," and the Ohio Department of Insurance has ruled that GIFT, ZIFT and IVF are not medically necessary.

Rhode Island
Requires insurers and HMOs that provide pregnancy–related benefits to cover the cost of medically necessary expenses of diagnosis and treatment of infertility. The law defines infertility as "the condition of an otherwise healthy married individual who is unable to conceive or produce conception during a period of one year." The patient's co-payment cannot exceed 20 percent.

West Virginia
Mandates HMOs (but not other types of insurers) to cover infertility treatment as a preventative benefit. The law does not define "infertility treatment" and HMOs have interpreted the term as excluding IVF.

States with a "Mandate to Offer."
The following states have a Mandate to Offer. That's a law that requires insurers to offer coverage that employers may or may not choose to purchase. Currently, three states have Mandates to Offer infertility treatment. Insurers in these states must offer employers a policy that provides coverage of infertility treatment. That doesn't mean that an employer has to purchase the policy. Employers can choose between a policy covering fertility treatment and one that doesn't.

If you have questions about your state or your policy, ask to speak with an insurance benefits specialist at Fertility LifeLines™ at 1–866–LETS–TRY (1-866-538-7879).

California
Mandates insurance carriers to offer group policyholders coverage of infertility treatment, excluding IVF but including GIFT. (Group health insurers covering hospital, medical or surgical expenses must let employers know infertility coverage is available.)

Connecticut
Mandates insurance carriers to offer coverage of comprehensive infertility diagnosis and treatment, including IVF procedures, to group policyholders.

Texas
Mandates insurance carriers that provide pregnancy–related benefits to offer coverage of infertility diagnosis and treatment, including IVF, to group policyholders.
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Post by itsgottawork »

kbat - thanks for the different info on the states. I had no idea coverage options varied so much by state. Good luck with getting your cycle in before your husband switches jobs.
One of the main reasons I am staying at my current job is I don't want to deal with switching insurance. I had wondered if it would be a big hassle to switch and now I know I am best kept here.

IrishHope - Good luck with your appointment tomorrow. I also think it would be good to call the insurance carrier directly. At least they can tell you what really needs to be done and then you can tell that to the nurse. If you still don't get anywhere with the nurse, maybe you can speak with the doctor directly. I have found that when my dr gets involved, things always become clearer. Or, maybe you can speak with another nurse?
I assume you at least already have all of your medication and tomorrow's appointment is covered so I hope that gives them enough time to get this straightened out before your next appointment after tomorrow. Good luck!

My medication is being shipped to me today. I am excited as this is one more thing to get me started. I get paranoid so I am going to use an ovulation predictor kit this weekend to reduce my anxiety over next Friday's bloodwork. The days can't go by fast enough for me to start this cycle.

Baby dust to all!
Me: 35; DH: 37
1st IVF/ICSI - 11/07 - BFP - Chemical
2nd IVF/ICSI - 3/08 - BFP - Beautiful Baby Boy!
3rd IVF/ICSI - Jan/Feb 2010!
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Post by IrishHope »

Thanks all you guys for the insurance input/support etc. My company is a self insured plan so the MA benefit (which is very good in my opinion) does not apply to me. My company is able to set their own fertility guidelines hence the $15k lifetime maximum...which we are grateful for but I am well aware as is my doctor that it is "sub standard" for MA - so it kind of annoys me my company opted for a lesser plan (shocking I'm sure it means more money in their pockets...)

I think my nurse who is very very nice gets a little frazzled...I got all my meds yesterday...I neatly laid them all out for DH and I to run thru the checklist (which by the way they forgot to send me 2 things)...it was overwhelming and luckily DH is good w/ math (mililiters and all that)...just as my eyes started to brim w/ tears our dog jumped up and DH said to him " get away from this or you'll get pregnant" - LOL it made me laugh so hard...

I am going for my bloodwork tomorrow as planned...I am going to start - I have to think by the time any Ultrasounds/bloodwork/stims start my new insurance should have approved me - the process started yesterday so how many days do they need...of course I know the more time the better but it's ridiculous to make me skip a month due to administrative stuff on their end...I feel like a lunatic so I asked DH to call our nurse...I think when I told her flat out "we're starting even if we have to pay cash" I frightened her a bit... :evil:

Thanks again you guys! you truly helped me feel better this morning...
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
Beta 602 6/18
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Post by cathann »

indie~ I'm not real sure about how all the different protocols work. I had a pre-cycle baseline last week (b/w and u/s). I think next Tuesday's appointment is to make sure estrogen and fsh are at levels they are happy with -- could be considered a "baseline" at another center (?). Then I start microdose Lupron (.2ccs) 2x per day. Then on the 10th I start the stims (Follistim 525 units/day and Menopur 75 units/day). According to what they told me the ET would be the week of the 20th. Sounds like the cycle is shorter than yours for sure.

Are your dosages higher or lower? It may just be a different protocol. Honestly, I don't totally understand it all myself. :oops:

Anyone else have any thoughts?
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Our 1st IVF/ICSI
ER 2/19
ET 2/23
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Post by cathann »

indie ~ check this out...found it on another thread....

I am sure age is a factor in deciding what hormone protocol each woman is on( how aggressive they are, for instance), however - it is uniquely catered to your body's needs.
The REs do all of the prelim bloodwork, hysterosalpingogram, ultrasounds,semen analysis, your personal history, and with that, they decide what protocol you would be on. I am sure that some offices/clinics have preferred meds - GonalF vs. Follistim, but from what I have read, they are very similar.
That being said, as each of us is different, as is our situation (ie: male or female infertility issues), the REs use their knowledge to cater what might work best for you.
As even we change each month, they may not get it right the 1st time, or even the 2nd, we just hope and trust that they are doing what is best for us to achieve our goal of a child.
best of luck to you, -give some REs a call!


Makes sense!
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Post by IrishHope »

maybe the protocol is shorter/different when it's male factor vs. unexplained or a female factor?

just a thought...
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
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Post by indie_rad »

Thanks for all the inputs..

cathann - looks like my dosages are much lower than yours. I have to do 0.1cc of lupron shots once a day and start stims ~ 2/15 again with a lower dose of fsh - 225 units per day and 75 units of menopur. So I guess that explains the difference. Another RE I talked to did mention 2 lupron shots a day (don't remember the dosage though). I don't know why the difference and whether it makes any effect on the treatment other than different cycle times. I will broach this with my RE next time I see him.
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2nd IVF - BFN
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Post by kbat »

I know some of the drugs are the same--just different drug companies hence the different names--ie follistom and gonal-f. I even had some follistom left over and instead of wasting it I used up that, then moved on to gonal-f (only b/c my insurance decided not to cover follistom anymore--don't know why though) I am sure that clinics have different preferances as to what they use... Also, dosages can be different--especially if it's your first time--to see how a person reacts to different protocals, etc. I had some meds upped during a cycle....
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Post by Jill_n_Mark »

Good evening girls....well I was bummed today. I scheduled time away from work to have my mock xfer and hysteroscopy and guess what?? even thought they took 3 tubes of blood last week....they forgot to do a HCG test. I told the nurst that I was only 2 weeks into my cycle and pretty sure I was not pregnant, but she said it was protocol so I had to have more blood drawn (by now, I am used to that) and come back Friday morning. I scheduled it for 7AM to avoid having to arrange time with work.

Anyways, I am glad to see that everyone is doing well. I am still the late one here....not until week of March 17th....so i have a while until I start having my daily BW and US.

Baby dust to all.
Jill
Me, 29 and DH, 34 -- TTC #1 for 6 years
IVF #1: Aug'07 -- BFN -- 3 embryos xferred,no frosties
IVF #2: Mar'08 -- BFN -- 5 embryos xferred, no frosties
My IVF journey is now over and I am very sad!
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Post by kbat »

jill_and_mark---
If all goes well and as planned, I also will be in March. I would expect my a/f sometime around March 8or 9 (assuming my Feb one is right on time--but I am usually pretty regular every 27-29 days)
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Post by cathann »

jill_n_mark ~ I'm sorry. I know how frustrating that must be. I guess it's better to follow the protocol exactly than take any chances. As far as your date, I fully expected to be right there with you in March. I was truly, truly shocked that we are going so early (that is IF everything goes perfectly!). Think about it this way...March is a great month to get pg b/c then you can have a Christmas miracle!!! :wink:

I hope everyone is doing well! Have a great day!
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Post by IrishHope »

kbat/cathann/jill_n_mark - maybe a little "luck o the Irish will work for you in March!! It certainly can't hurt...


well, after a brutal day yesterday calling my nurse/insurance companies etc. I'm relieved as of 815am today - my nurse called and said my "insurance glitch" is squared away...so although I was supposed to have my cycle day 21 bloodwork today it is tomorrow...if that is all ok I will start my Lupron on Saturday...good day to start as we'll not have the pressure of getting out the door for work...just our morning walk wiht our coffee (decaf for me) and our dog...

I apologize for those who are not dog people but thought I'd share...Tuesday when all ins. stuff hit the fan of course I woke up at 130am and tossed and turned all night...our dog rarely cries/barks and at 330 a.m.he was crying and barking so I let him come up and sleep on our bed...he laid his little snout on my hip the whole time and I cannot tell you how at ease it made me given my mind was racing with anxiety...he's such a good boy...ok so if you're not a dog person I'm sure you officially think I have lost my mind... :shock:
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
Beta 602 6/18
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Good Morning!!

*HUGS* to Irish.. I have to tell you, I am a totally dog person. We have 2 5month old boxers, brother and sister and they are truly the light in my day. Just when I think I'm going to lose my mind.. they make me smile or snuggle with me. It is amazing how they know just when you need to laugh or comfort. They are little pople :) I'm with you there hun. ALSO.. we are on the same schedule. I go in tomorro for day 21 b/w and start my estrogen tomorrow. Soooo we should be on the same BFP road!! Yaaahhhh sista!

Ok.. now for my confession. I haven't been on the board much. I have been reading but I've not written all week. I've been having alittle nervous feeling lately. Got all the drugs in the mail, being in the medical field I thought, no worries! I can handle this. WELL! When it's YOU that's the patient.. and it's YOU that you have to take care of, wow is it a different story. This morning my hubby made me happy in that he's going to be able to go to the injection class with me. So that helped out alittle. Also, I know we've all talked about this before but DH and I have decided not to tell many people. I have told my sister and my dearest 2 friends. Other than that.. Noone knows. Well, each time I talk to those that do know they insist on tell me "ya know, I just couldn't go through all this like you" I know that they mean well and that they don't truly understand how those simple words really hurt. After you hear those you can't help but think "why do i HAVE to go through all this?" Some people get pregnant at the drop of a hat and here we all are hoping for a true miracle! It's the road we've been chosen for my dears... I hope that no matter what.. we all come to the end of this road without any regrets and know that in our hearts we truly did all that we could to have a family. Strong, no, we're not all that strong, we're just full of hope and desire.... That is far more than just being strong.

*HUGS* Thanks for letting me ramble.
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IVF #1 2/08
Beta -- 10dpt 170, 12dpt 379, 19dpt 4119, 26dpt 30631
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JustJenis - our dog is a boxer mix! 11 mos. old that we rescued from a "kill" shelter in North Carolina...I am a neat/clean/OCD freak but my DH alwways wanted a dog - I was hesitant about dirty paws, hair, slobber hahaa...he is the best thing ever! The floor can be washed, the hair vacuumed ...they completely know when you need them!

wow same cycle time - cool - I was overwhelmed at the meds when they arrived but I would rather deal with this than the months of trying and then knowing AF is just going to come again and again...we have HOPE...and some luck - hence my online name!

I am lucky to know people close to me from both camps..."fertile myrtles" and those like us...I mentioned it before but all 3 of my sisters have had from natural pregnancies/IUI/IVF...so I am lucky they "get" what it encompasses...I wish I did not tell a few friends...especially one who god forgive me but lives a less than healthy life, says "ehh kids aren't totally her thing but she wanted one w/ her husband b/c he is her soulmate" BARF BARF BARF!!!!! got prego after 2 mos!!! I am trying to back off but she asks me questions all the time now and I just have a hard time listeing to how her feet hurt or "being pregnant is BORING"...yes, said that to me even though she knows all we are going thru...I try and remain supportive to her thru her pregnancy but it is very hard...ok I rambled too but you may think about nicely emailing or talking to your sister/friends who say that to you and say "I know you mean well and you care however, positive thoughts/encouragement would help me out alot thru this so please try to keep focused on positive vibes"...

for all on this board - POSITIVE VIBES and lots of support!!!! You can do this!
TTC #1 16 mos.
Me 34 DH 34 normal
Endo stage I/II - laparscopy in 1997/Nov 2007
IVF #1 Feb/March - BFN
IVF#2 May/June BFP
Beta 149 6/15
Beta 602 6/18
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I am a dog-lover, too! We have two mutts and I can't tell you how happy it makes me every day when they freak out as soon as I get home. It's the best feeling in the world to be the most exciting thing in their day (albeit a little sad for them).

So, my TTS are HUGE (for me) and they HURT. I feel them knocking around when I go running. I feel like I should be wearing 2 bras! Anyone experience this side effect from Lupron? I hope it means that I am going to see AF sometime soon. I am on CD 26.

I was talking to my Catholic friend last night about IVF and she is very judgemental about it...wanting to know what I would be doing with the leftover embryos, if I would actually consider getting a sperm donor (yes), why don't I want to adopt.

Anyone have good responses for these people?
Me: 30, Maybe Ovulatory Dsyfunction (?)
Hubby: 34, MF--Really Low Morphology
IUI Failed December 2007
1st IVF February/March 2008
ER 2/17
ET 2/20
Test 3/5 BFP!!!! 1st Beta: 632
3/7 2nd Beta: 1139
3/9 3rd Beta: 2331
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