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Re: FET in Feb.

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Franny, I am so glad to hear your pain is gone! Whew! But 2 weeks sounds exhausting. I hope you have made at least one trip to the spa for a day of relaxation. :)
I don't know anything about the intralipids, but it sounds great and hey what do you have to lose? The few internet search hits I found for them indicate it's a fairly new procedure, so I imagine not every clinic gets on board with new protocols right away.
May is a great time to start cycling - I think it's a happy time of year (well, I am biased being a May baby). :) then you would have a Valentine's baby! (did I do the math right?)
We are in full spring mode here - my tulips are blooming (so crazy for March!). I'm not complaining - I like seeing everything green. Enjoy your April celebrations!

Katie, I hope you are keeping busy distracting yourself from those evil sticks! Your first test was definitely too early. Crossing everything for your first beta tomorrow!!! (I know, I know...you don't find out the results until the 27th). Oh wait, I just looked at the calendar! Tomorrow is the 27th! :oops: Sheesh - well I'm sending loads of baby dust northwards towards you for tomorrow!! :D :D :D

Chris - thanks! I know I'm not the first person to have twins, but it was just such a surprise that I got caught off-guard. I think of my great-grandmother at a time like this; she had 15 kids, including a set of twins (#13 and #14). So if she could manage, so can I. ;)

Well, the shock has worn off somewhat and I'm starting to go into practical mode (researching twin strollers, etc). It's probably still too early to start buying stuff, but at least we can start planning to get in gear. We told the family and of course everyone is super-excited (though we didn't do anything cute like Claudia). DH and I just told our Moms and let nature take its course. Don't know if I mentioned, but the next U/S is on April 6th and then I imagine I'll get released to my OBGYN.
Thanks everyone for your support. I know I am beyond blessed for having a second chance at children. It was just more than I was expecting. :o
{Me: 41, DH: 39} unexplained infertility
Feb 2012, trying for #2 no HB @ 11 weeks.
FET #1, Sept 2012 BFN
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Re: FET in Feb.

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*Crashing*
Katie99- Miracles as we know do exist, may tomorrow bring you good news!
Frankie, I couldn't help but read that you are planning on cycling in May, me too and really not that far away! :wink:
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1 natural pg- m/c at 7 wks
(2010-2012) 4 IUIs, 2 IVFs
FET cycle 2/25/2013
Beta: 95, 390, 1361
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4/17 Released from RE
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Hi everyone -

I havent been avoiding the computer, just feeling miserable since these darn sticks refuse to give me the right answer. I've POAS'd on days 9,10 & 11dp3dt and all have been negative, funny, but now so is my mood. I'll go and drag my behind for my beta tomorrow, but I've already braced myself for the "I'm sorry" phone call. I still have a small bit of hope left, but its getting harder and harder to believe that it could still happen this late. I havent posted because I hate to sound all blah, this has been a really long wait and by now I just want to know for sure, you know? I've been whining all day about how this isnt fair and i'm sick of hearing myself, so i'm pretty sure that my hubby is sick of it too, lol. I just keep on reminding myself that Ryan was a miracle and that maybe asking for another was asking too much? I just feel numb, I was so sure that it would work - ahhh, but dont we all go through that? Well my FRERs with Ryan were negative too, but not this late in the game - is it tomorrow yet?? I'll post when I hear from them, now tomorrow the 3 hr time difference from ET to PT will really bug me! lol. Much love - xoxoxo
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Katie - Sorry about your negative HPT's. I know they suck.. hoping your beta is better today. Don't feel like your a whiner, none of this is fair and you can whine here all you want. That is why we are here.
Chris 40- DH 41
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Thinking about you katie!!! ((((((((((((((((huge hugs))))))))))))))))) I'm hoping for a surprise call from your RE today!!
xoxoxoxo Oh and I whine the most of all so trust me, I totally understand!
~ Franny
me-35- stage 4 endo
DH-30- perfect
TTC for 5 years
1+2 IVF 2009- both cxl
3rd IVF Jan. 2010- BFN
4th IVF April 2010- BFN
5th IVF July 2010-BFN
6TH IVF Sept 2010- BFN
moving on to donor embies
FET Feb 2012-BFN
FET Jun 2012- Here we go again!
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Re: FET in Feb.

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And its a BFN. Just as I thought it would be. Crap. Who doesnt like a call like that at dinnertime? On a high note my donor coordinator said that the RE wants to speak with me and he'll call me tomorrow at 10am. Its going to be pretty hard to not remind him how he thought I'd get pg with twins if we transfered all 3 because he thought the embies were so awesome. Yes, I know bitterness doesnt suit me, sorry just a thought, I wouldnt do that that, but it feels good to think about it, lol. We'll see what he wants to talk to me about, but in the meantime this just plain sucks.

Libby - I'm so glad that you've gotten a bit more used to the idea of twins. Holy moly mama, your Grandmother must have been one fertile lady!! 15 kids??? Wow! You can do this, you know you can! I hope you keep updating how its going. I had more to say but its a little hard to focus right now..

Chris - Thanks, honey I know you get how I feel. I wonder what the heck the RE wants to talk to me about? I'm not as upset as I thought I'd be. I mean it hurts, but it would have been so much worse if I didnt POAS and have spent all 12 days believing that it worked - wow, then I likely would have burst into tears on the phone with the coordinator.

Franny - Thanks for being there honey. You know I love ya! This is just so flipping hard sometimes, ok most times for some of us. Its a good thing that we're all such strong determined females. It helps so much to know that we have each other and that we can always come here and we know that other ivf girls get it. Or just vent or whine sometimes too. sigh, it does suck though.

Sunshine - I've been following your story too and love your outlook. You picked an approppriate screen name! You have a very sunny personality and I've had fingers crossed for you for awhile now. It will happen for you honey - it has to! You dont let all this waiting get you down, ok? It will be worth all this hardship to get there when you do, but you already know that, dont you? :wink:

I'll keep this short before I start whining, or yelling. Those BFN calls make you have so many emotions at once its easy to just rant and barely make sense. I'll post after my RE calls tomorrow morning. I think its nice that he calls, my old RE never did that AND he had me wait a whole month for my floow up appt, boy was I mad about that! Much love to you girls - xoxo
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Oh Katie, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hear what you mean about getting the "heads up" with the sticks, though. At least you weren't caught completely off guard. But either way, this just sucks and it isn't fair. I wish I could make it better for you.
Nice that your RE wants to talk to you - I can't imagine what he'll say, but it sounds way better than your last one.

I will keep posting, but damn I feel super guilty for getting my BFP when you ladies did not.
{Me: 41, DH: 39} unexplained infertility
Feb 2012, trying for #2 no HB @ 11 weeks.
FET #1, Sept 2012 BFN
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Katie I am so sorry about the bfn it really does suck and we understand all too well. I agree with the sticks helping you not be caught off guard, For me it was always easier if I was somewhat prepared for the possibility of a bfn. No matter how hard we try though I don't think anything prepares you for the heartbreak and please know we are here for you and you are welcome to whine if you wish we are here to listen. Big hug to you. I did a donor embie cycle with 3 blasts before I got pg with Paul and they were all grade A blasts and the RE was so worried about me getting pg with triplets and in the end when it was a bfn I also wanted to point it out to him I think it is a natural feeling. Hang in there honey and let us know how the talk with him goes

Sunshine and everyone else I will be cycling again in May and I am starting to get a little nervous. Its funny how after my c-sec my ob was so insistent on use of birth control and I was just laughing at his suggestion. Well DH and I have not used anything in 5 months now and I even used opk's just for the heck of it...not that I thought we would be that lucky couple that gets a natural preg after so much infertility but you hear stories and you want to believe that it could happen to you. Anyways nothing happened so we have our first appt April 30 and I am just so afraid of all of those emotions flooding back. I feel like when Paul finally happened I was honestly at my lowest. Even my 17 year old sister got pregnant that year by "accident" yet we spent so much money on IVF and FET and donor embies and even adoption that failed. I just want this to work so bad without months and months of agony again. Also my mom went into menopause at 36 so with me being 30 and having had cancer I am really trying to get a sibling for Paul before time runs out. Sorry for ranting I guess I had to get it all out and no one understands better that you wonderful ladies. Anyways so Sunshine it looks like we will cycling together :)
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DH 30
DS 10 from previous marriage
ttc 5 yrs, Cervical cancer- in remission
IVF# 1 BFP m/c at 7 weeks
FET Nov 2010 BFN
IUI #5 12/02 BFP! Paul NIcholas
April 2012 Natural BFP on baseline to start cycling-- beta 4/11 35 beta 4/13 121

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Re: FET in Feb.

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Katie - I'm so sorry that this one didn't work. Keep us posted on what the RE says. Will this be the last time you try? Infertility sucks!! that's all i have to say about that (in my Forrest Gump voice).

Anna - Good Luck in May. Your feelings are so familiar to me. I was in the lowest part of my life before i got preggo with Jake. After so many years of infertility i couldn't take much more. I will be doing a FET in july and all those same emotions are coming back though a little more bearable now that I have Jake.

Frannie - How you doing? When do you think you might transfer again?
Chris 40- DH 41
6 IVFs Cycles - BFN's
DE Cycle 2/2011 -BFP Jacob born 11/11/11

FET 7/2012 - BFP - Kaylee due 4/3/13

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Re: FET in Feb.

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Thank you to all my girls for such wonderful support. You all mean so much to me and if I dont say it enough I love you girls! You keep me sane and are the only one who get it. So I talked to the RE who seemed geniunely unhappy that it didnt work. He said that was so surprised to hear that it failed. He said that God plays a part in this too and that they were "textbook perfect embies" well at least they were on day 3, right? He thinks that some women are just more receptive to blasts and some are more receptive to a day 3 embie. He thought that maybe my low E2 might not have nourished the lining as well as he wanted it too. He said if we were to try this again he would only do a blast transfer and he would push my E2 levels more from the beginning. I told him that I dont think we can afford to try this again and he told me that their policy is for a failed donor embie cycle that they only charge for the transfer the next time. He said they drop their "donor embryo administration fee" which was 2k.All I can think of is that must mean the mountain of paperwork they had us get notarized then sent even more to be notarized. Ok, maybe it just felt that way, but that was ALOT of paperwork. And who doesnt love having to go to your bank for a notary and stand there while they read all this donor agreements and give you that pitying look, fun yes? I told him that helps alot but its still so damn draining and lets face it when the 2ww isnt going right - its just flipping depressing! He agreed and said that its upsetting from the RE's standpoint as well. Apparently he's very kind and calls every BFN patient the next day - thats impressive to me since my old RE was always soooo hard to get ahold of after a failure ( or in my case, another failure, lol) Chris seems open to another go especially with that kind of discount, but my God I cant help but think of how much money we've wasted on these failures, each try puts off home repairs like my old bath and kitchen floor, roof retiling, and have I mentioned our fridge is as old as this house? 26 years old!!! But how can I think that way or care about ugly old floors when my brain insists that I have to try because the idea of Ryan being alone someday is horrifying to me. I mean it might be different if we had family, but its just us and Mister Ryan, thats it. He said he'll make sure that I get sent the available list today. I cant believe I have to do all this again. It feels like my life has been nothing but ivf and cycling since 2008 - oh, wait thats because it has been, lol. I was so happy thinking that last week was the last time I'd have to go through the trauma of the 2ww - guess I thought wrong. Actually right now I'm thanking God that they're willing to cut the fee in half because otherwise there'd be no way we could do this again. Ackkk, I'm exhausted at the thought of doing this all over again.
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Hi Ladies!!

It's been FOREVER since I've posted but not for lack of trying....the website would not let me sign in because I forget my password and I think I exceeded the number of tries and it wouldn't send a new one to my email account so I literally just re-registered under a new name and email!!!! So I've been reading every day and TRYING to post but now I can finally say my peace!

Franny-I'm so happy and angry for you at the same time that no other RE thought that your endometrious might actually be affecting you getting pregnant even though you have had textbook embroyos put back in. I know it took Gina a few miscarriages and 7 attempts before they put her on a cocktail of medicines for killer cells and it worked so I am so hopeful for your next cycle!! I think of you often and hope you spririt soars again after this last BFN

Katie-My heart breaks for you after this last BFN. I was hopeful after reading your last post that you and Chris will jump back on the saddle on this crazy ride and keep trying for that sibling that Ryan deserves!! I'm glad the RE is so compassionate with his clients and is invested into getting you pregnant because that is important. Have you given more thought to when and if you will try again??

Libby-TWINS :shock: :shock: I'm not too surprised with your crazy high numbers but I'm sure the shock is still there for you!! Don't feel guilty momma-everyone here is supportive whether it is through our own disapointment or happiness. How are you feeling? It gets so much easier once you get into 2nd trimester that I sometimes forget I'm pregnant until I look at my HUGE belly!! People can't believe I'm only 16 weeks since I've really popped the last few weeks!!

AFM...Not much new on my end...I got all my energy back the past few weeks and feel great and have been enjoying the big belly I'm sporting around! We go for our level 2 ultrasound 4-23 and I think we are going to find out the gender this time which is so exciting!!!! Love to you ladies and now that I have a working account I will post more often
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Re: FET in Feb.

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katie I'm sooo sorry sweetie! All of this crap is so unfair, and I still ask myself why everyday. It never gets easier to get those BFN's, I know! I think it makes it even harder when doctors tell us how "perfect" our embies are, and how this is going to be the one. I'd rather have them say nothing. I don't even ask anymore, because obviously is doesn't matter anyway.
So what are you going to do? How much will it end up being if you don't have to pay for the donor fee? When does this all stop ya know? I think that all the time too. How much can I put myself through before I just give up? You have that beautiful lil boy Ryan though, and you should hold him so tight right now. I'm here for you always my friend!! xoxoxo

Libby Please keep posting. I can't wait to hear about your updates!! I think of you daily so please don't posting!

Chris I think we will be starting our next cycle in May! Yay!!

Claud I'm so happy you are doing well! I'm glad ruby has settled down, and letting you get your energy back! I got all 3 nights for SPAC this summer....wanna come?? :D How is Mady doing? Has she noticed the changes to mommy? I missed you! xoxoxo
~ Franny
me-35- stage 4 endo
DH-30- perfect
TTC for 5 years
1+2 IVF 2009- both cxl
3rd IVF Jan. 2010- BFN
4th IVF April 2010- BFN
5th IVF July 2010-BFN
6TH IVF Sept 2010- BFN
moving on to donor embies
FET Feb 2012-BFN
FET Jun 2012- Here we go again!
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Ahhh Katie sorry it didnt work hug and kisses to you xxxxxxx its a tough rollercoaster but at least you have your precious son to wake up to every morning xxx

Franny Yeah i decided after 4 failed ivfs then 2 miscarriages i was gonna change to a clinic who would literally thro. the sink at me, my eggs were tested and good quality and even though jasons sperm was very low what we got was good quality and we also tested to make sure we were "compatible" and we were. So changed clinics and they said they were gonna be aggressive and give me everything: went on heperin during the stim and stayed on it till 12 wks pg, had 4 sessions of intralipids, had clexane injections during stims till 12 wks think this is for auto immune but not sure, aspirin till 32 wks, estrogen till 12 wks, progesterone till 17 wks, again like the others who knows if this is why i have my little miracle but i firmly believed it helped besides it doesnt do any harm and as you know only too well you will do anything to have a baby. If you are planning on going again my belief is never to have any regrets dont wonder in 10yrs time What if i should have tried it??? and least you can say you did absolutly everything possible. My old clinic wouldnt do any of these things for me and just wanted to do the same old cycle but after 6 attempts and no baby i had had enough and I thank God everyday that i moved as i wouldnt have Kayla now. Just do what is right for you xxxx

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7th IVF finally our precious miracle girl Kayla born 24/11/10, 8th IVF FET Sept 2012 BFP!!!
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Katie,

ahh, honey, I am so sorry. Sounds like your new RE is all about trying to get you pg and the discount will help-if you decide to give it another go.......which I am guessing you are leaning towards. Its hard to give up on what could be just one more cycle away. Much love coming you way!

Claudia,

glad to hear all is well with your pregnant self!

Libby,

TWINS????? Wow, I know you had to be in shock, but it will all turn out in the end.

Franny,

how are you my dear?. glad the rotten cysts have yet away.

TTYL girls, gotta to run, literally,....I signed up to run my first every 5K in about 2 weeks. Eeekkkkkkk!

Ronda
Miscarriage @12 weeks, 2000(natural)
1st DD born 3/21/05 (IUI)(3 IUI's)
2nd DD born 11/17/08 (1st IVF)
FET: 1/21/10, BFN.
FET:2/25/10, BFP. 1st beta # 459; 2nd beta #1106
June 2010, late miscarriage at 17 weeks, baby's heart just stopped beating.
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Re: FET in Feb.

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Hi everyone -

I'd like to say that things are looking up to give this another try, but after the phone call I had today I really cant say that. Chris was all for another try after we talked and I let that little bit of hope in again. He wants another baby just as bad as I do, but how can you not ask yourself when is it enough? how far can you push ivf with failures before you just cant force yourself to go on anymore?? So Chris wanted an exact number and I called the financial person - and she has no idea what I'm talking about! She said that the only time they drop the fee is if you're cycling again with the same batch of embies. Well, that would be great but there were only 3 and they are gone now. I left a message for the donor coordinator and hope to get a callback tomorrow. In the meantime how can I think of anything else? I am completely amazed sometimes at how much resilience we need to have for this stuff. It seems like it never ends.

Franny - You put it exactly how I feel, most days I say "when it works, thats when its enough". But on a bad day like today, I think "when I just cant force myself anymore". I've gotta say that i'm feeling a bit closer to the latter, especially these past feew days. Boy, its a darn good thing that I did POAS because if not i would have been shocked with my mouth hanging open when she said bfn. I tell you I got back on the flight to come home totally convinced that it would work. Enough about me, I''ve got pom poms ready for your May cycle and I'm going to go beat up your RE if it doesnt work, haha. Have you made any appts to talk to them about these intralipids yet? I love that Gi gave you such a detailed description so you have an idea of what to expect. Oh, wait let me guess, more needles :roll: As long as it works we will take as many needles as it takes, right? :wink: I'm with you on hearing how "perfect" those embies were - it made it hurt so much worse than if he just said nothing. And if we do this madness again? I do NOT want to discuss anything AFTER the valium kicks in. I wasnt thrilled with that timeframe, I wanted to ask more questions, but my brain was swimming through jello by the time I got to talk to him. Oh, the things we learn each cycle - grrr! love you too my friend - xoxo

Libby - I'm with Franny! Please dont feel that way, this is a numbers game ( kind of) and just because ours didnt come up this time doesnt mean we dont want to hear what you've been up to, or thinking, or venting, whining, you know the whole caboodle. Dont ask me where I get words like caboodle, I havent a clue, lol. How are you feeling there mama? I hope that morning sickness hasnt showed its face ( and hopefuly wont!) Please dont stop posting, ok? Like franny I think of you daily too. Ok, thats my limit on mush for today, lol.

Chris _) I thought that too, that trying for a sibling would be a bit easier. It hasnt felt that way for me, all those past bfn feelings just showed up about the same time as I got my schedule and meds. I tried hard to not let it, but those traumas run pretty deep, unfortunately. We will all be here for you when you cycle in July. I've already got my fingers crossed that it only takes you 1 time.

Gi - Thank you honey. I know you're busy, but I miss you so much and when you do post I'm thrilled to see your name again! Its true, these little ones truly were miracles and I think that every single day. Do you think you'll ever attempt a sibling for Miss Kayla? Hi to your mam!- xoxo

Annashope - You have a beautiful way with words and I think you put into words how most of us feel or felt at least during the bad cycles. Isnt it something that you had to go through so much in one year to have your little miracle baby happen by surprise? It makes me wonder sometimes where we are all supposed to end up, you know like is it really random? Or is that old saying true - God laughs when people make plans. I understand how you're worried about all the old cycling fears/ stresses come back, but thankfully we have this place and each other. What an awful thing it would be to go through if we didnt. Whew, I just scared myself thinking that..

Claudia - I was wondering why you were hardly posting. I love how you put it, "your big belly" - you are in better shape than most women preggo or not. You make me dying to know what you've got in there, lol I'm still not sure how you were able to stand the suspense last time of being on Team Green. If it were me, I probably would have begged the sonographer for the answer after your DH left the room - haha. Wow, mama, how has it been almost 20 weeks already?? i'm glad to hear that Ruby is doing just fine and that you're feeling good. :mrgreen:

Ronda - Dang, you are busy!! You'll do great with your first 5k run!! So proud of you for signing up! You know me too well Ronda - thats exactly how I think. Like Gina said I'd never want to look back 10 yrs from now and wonder "what if I tried that very last time". You go run your buns off, ok? Even if you dont come in first - its not important, its only important that you tried and took the chance. But I think you'll win :wink:
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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