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nope sorry to disappoint again!! Still here.......................... what else can I say!!

Rachel - lets hope that the drugs work a little quicker than they did for you - never realised that they sometimes dont work that quickly - I was kinda of in the mind set that by Wed it would all be over!!!

Sorry to hear Ruby hasn't been well - bless her little cotton socks!!

Hrobinson - thats great that you're all unpacked - way to go and summer hols are over for you already - wow thats a bummer - don't feel like they have started yet over here but guess its cos I'm outta of the rat race at the mo! Great news about the air con!!

PMA - yeah come over and live with us in good olde blighty - although if it was a choice between uk and France - I would go with France - there is something so great about the French lifestyle as you say which we dont have in the UK - funny how people want to be else where and not where they live!!
We want to emigrate to Oz - not necessarily for the weather although does come into it - but their whole way of life seems so much better and would love for my child(ren) to grow up there - they seem to be very outdoor orientated.

Shantala and Elliana came round yesterday and she is such a cutie - only had eyes for Wayne though !!! think i ought to watch out!!

Good luck with your ultra sound tomorrow or was it today??- I'm sure your lining will be perfect as always - there is no reason for it not to be.

What a great friend you are too - going to yoga classes with her come what may - but i'm sure by then you will also be 'blooming'.

Carolyn - given up on the cake making !!! The house was being taken over by cup cakes!! Then went into waitrose on Saturday and their cupcakes look so much better than mine and they were chocolate - may just cheat!!

Don't envy your camping w/end - one bank hols last year we went camping - we called it a day on the sunday and had to pack up in the rain and wind - don't think our tent would have survived another night so hats off to you for sticking it out for the w/end!

your hols sound just like mine - beach and sun all the way!!

Mir - you never sound like a 'downer' sort of person - thats we love ya!!

Right thats me done - think I'm going to go for a nice long walk before the rain starts again............. ho hum!!!

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Awww Nims, I just don't know what to say...I am speechless. And that takes a lot for me... :shock:

This baby is just lovin' it in there. I am sure your baby does not realize that it's Mummy and Daddy are waiting on them... on pins and needles. Not to mention all of us chicks on the interent!!! :D

It really is nice that you and Shantala were able to meet and can still have get togethers. That is so cool. One day, I will make it to the UK...and I will call all you lovely ladies up and we will have a grand time!!!! ( there are TWO places I have to go to one day, one is here in the US, Colorado, and the other is the UK!!) I love listening to you guys talk. It totally relaxes me. It sounds so beautiful too. How do we sound to you guys??

Question...what is Oz?? the only Oz I know about is in the movie The Wizard of Oz!!! :lol:

Take it easy Nims...I will have a talking with the big man upstairs again...
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PMA!!! i am dying here....how was the U/S?? It is today, right...Monday the 11th :?: :?:

I am not good with the time difference, so forgive me if I am off... :shock:
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ok...my fancy new phone has a world clock. I just looked you up, and it is 9:29 am where you are. So I guess I have to be patient!!!! :wink: :roll:
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Hello girls,

oooooooooooh... I needed to read your posts badly this morning. I don't feel too good at the moment. :( But reading your posts and feeling your energy makes me feel better already.

I went at the clinic this morning. I can't say I was nervous, but I was on guard all the same. It's always a strange feeling, that "Here I am, sitting again in that waiting room"... But right away, I didn't like the way they welcomed me. I went straight to the ultrasound waiting room, because you never know how many people will be waiting there. But it was empty. The nurse saw me and asked me if I had paid for the treatment. I had planned to do that after the ultrasound, but she said, "Your file is at the front; go there, pay your fee and your file will be brought here. Then you can have your ultrasound, okay?"

She wasn't rude or anything, but that method, that approach was. Come on... you have my embies, of course I'll pay you. No need to use my file as bait! :? So I paid the darn fee, and then I offered the secretary to bring my file to the ultrasound room. "Sorry madam, but I'm the one who'll do it, it's part of the procedure." Oh, come on! I know the contents of that file better than the doctors! :evil: So I went back to the waiting room.

There were many new faces at the clinic. The nurse who installed me in the room was new, but whew... she needs to pile up more experience in a fertility clinic. You know, those nurses who are so sweet and motherly it makes you sick? Because you see it in their eyes that they pity you? And they make you feel like a child when you need to stay really strong and adult about the whole situation? ;) I really don't react well to that kind of nurse... Sympathy is wonderful, especially coupled with efficacy and straightforwardness. Love those nurses. Pity, yuck! I just hope I won't have that one next to me during ET. Bah, who cares.

Fortunately, it was my doc this morning, and he's always super nice with me because he knows my father and his wife, who are doctors too. He seemed happy to see me. So I had my surgery wound check; it's A-ok! ;) Everything looks clean inside, except for a small cyst on my left ovary. Not surprising, I've had ovarian cysts come and go for around 17 years now. My lining is around 9 cms; anything above 7 is good for them. Of course, I'm a little disappointed -silly cow- because last time it was 11cms. But I'll remember what I told another FETer just las week... my lining is medically viable for implantation, and it will keep thickening until transfer day. No worries allowed!

As for the transfer, it will be on Thursday. I've stopped sniffing Suprefact (yay!) and I'll start progesterone pessaries this afternoon. I'll keep taking estrace, but 2mg three times a day instead of 3mg two times. I'll keep taking baby aspirin too. The antibiotics I had to take gave me the worst yeast infection of my life (I'm really not kidding); I took Diflucant and it should take care of it (two Canesten treatments did not do the job properly!!!!). So needless to say, nookie is nowhere in sight, and we're embarking on 2 weeks of abstinence... *sigh* If it's what it takes, eh?

Sorry guys... I need to vent, that's all. It's wonderful to have a place where to do it! ;) I don't know... my mood has shifted in such a strange way... yesterday, I could still say I kept my mind on other things and I was calm. But now, it seems more real and I fully feel the possibility that I might have to face yet another BFN again. Mind you, I still think our chances are higher than they have ever been, with the surgery and all, but it's like I want to become pregnant, but I don't feel like facing a disappointment again.

Well, one day at a time. I must keep busy, have fun, keep my mind off IVF as much as possible. Talk about other things. My good mood will come back in no time. :D After all, I do have to plan the decoration on my birthday cake for Sunday evening... :D:D:D:D Here's a happy place! :D

Okay, let's get personal:

Nimble,
Hang in there baby!!! We're still all thinking about you. LOL, love the "pushing for England" idea! Ah, so you love the outdoors too! Hehe, my husband is a chemist, and because of that we have to work in big cities... but one day, we'll move to the country. We both LOVE that lifestyle, and Britanny would be perfect for that. One day, we'll buy a nice house near the broceliand forest, and we'll spend the rest of our days there. How did you hear about Oz? I didn't know the English had such a different lifestyle compared to French. Tell me more...?

wishful,
awwww man, sorry to hear it rained so much! It seems like you'll NEVER get dry when you're camping in the rain! Do you have another trip planned for the summer? Hiking maybe?

Happy Monday Pisces! How are you doing?

Miracle,
Hehe, thanks for your wonderful energy, as always! :D

Lots of kisses ladies, and have a grrrreat day!

Sophie xxox
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OH PMA...So sorry lovey!!!! It is terrible you had a rough start at the clinic. That was very very rude. There is nothing like treating a patient like they are trying to screw you... come on... it is an IF clinic!!! Most people have to pay out of pocket, like you could pull a fast one... this makes me very angry. Then they treat you as if YOUR file is off limits!!! I know you are too nice of a person, but to bad you didnt tell her...HELLO...it is my stinking file and if i want to read it i can!!! What a meanie!!!UURRGGHHH...let me at em!!!!

Ok, enough of those mean spirted ladies...

I am glad the DR was good with you. WOW... your Mom and Dad are Doctors too!!!! oooohhhhh....you have a family of DRS!!! What are their fields?

Dont be so hard on yourself...if the lining is considered good at 7 and yours is at 9. So that is ABOVE AVERAGE!!!! Stop stressing your pretty little self out!!! EVERYTHING IS GOING GREAT FOR ET!!!! With that said...

I understand about you being worried/stressed about getting another BFN. I have only had BFN's when we didnt know we had a problem, and I know how hard that was for me. So I can only imagine getting a BFN when you are told everything looks fine and your embies are top grade... it is normal for you to worry. I wish I can wave a magic wand and tell you, dont worry love, you will get your BFP for the whole 9 months.

I will tell you that I am praying for you PMA!!! KEEP UP YOUR PMA!!!!

BIG HUGS coming your way!!!!
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Hehehe Miracle, thank you so much for your post! :D I'm really touched!

About the file thing, though... here in Quebec, there's a law that forbids patients to check the contents of their files without the proper authorization. You see, some patients might check uninterpreted data and misinterpret it, which might cause unnecessary distress, etc. That's why you can have access to your file, but only certain parts of it. In some cases, someone must be with you. So I guess that's why she didn't let me carry my own file. There is uninterpreted data in it, such as the blood test results.

LOL but come on, they left it in the ultrasound room... so when the doc came in, I was reading it! ;) My mother is a psychiatrist. My father is a cardiologist and his wife is a surgeon. Lots of docs indeed. I'm kind of the black sheep, lol! My father was very disappointed when I decided to become a psychologist (doctor in title, but in his opinion, it was not real science). He took two years to adapt, but now he's okay with it! ;) It can both be a blessing and a pain to have docs in the family. Handy when you have, say, a urinary tract infection and you REALLY need meds, and all you have to do is make a phone call and it's done! ;)

But at other times, they can be extremely nosy. It's party because of that that I'm sterile now. I had too many side effects with the BCP, and they were not satisfied that DH and I used condoms only (we had been together for 5 months at the time). So they pestered me until I accepted to consider having an IUD installed. A resident made the medical exam and measured my uterus... went right through it with the stick, I had a major infection, almost died and lost both my tubes. Voila! ;) I can't say I resent them, because hey they didn't force me. I hated myself for a while, for yielding yet another time, but I'm over all this now. Things do happen for a reason, and negative feelings and thoughts will only hurt me after all. :D I learned MANY things from the experience, let me tell you, and I grew accordingly!

And what you said was SO TRUE... it is indeed different when you're told that everthing looks perfect. But hey, we'll see won't we? Things look good, like you said, and it's all that matters!

Okay, I'll have to run if I want to escape from work unnoticed and spend the afternoon at home... ;)

Take care sweetie, and thanks again for your post!

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PMA - gee some nurses and staff at these clinices just stink - what a way of treating you - uummmm like it is you that pays their wages at the end of the day plus, just be a little sensitive to the situation us ladies are in!! No, don't want the whole pity thing, but some sensitivity wouldn't go a miss eh - but glad you had a nice DR and you're lining is great girl - mine was around the same - so roll on Thursday when you get your little ones back home and on ward home to that BFP!! No more talk of a possible BFN - won't hear of it!!

Ok - now this is where we have a language difference even though we speak the same one - OZ means Australia!!! We spent a month there a couple of years back plus DH travelled around there and now his sister also lives there - and we just loved it specificially Perth and Melbourne - Sydney is great but not sure I would want to live there.

As for France - they seem so laid back - love the thought of afternoon seista's (where they shut shop and have long lazy lunches) and reopen again late afternoon to early evening - plus they have great beaches and alot better weather than we do during the summer - atleast you'll get some sunshine rather than rain!

Mir that would be so great for you to come and visit along with PMA and the other girls with all your babies - what a reunion that would be........
:lol:

Carolyn still busy working from home???

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hey Nims - so thought when you had not poste earlier that things might have started to move.. what time do you go in tom??

PMA - punch that nasty nurses lights out :twisted: - your linning sounds good and only a couple of days till babies are home x

Mir - hope you not working too hard - did you and Dh do anything exciting at weekend?

Just been to meet my old boss for coffee - was great to catch up with all the gossip - she still knows more about the company gossip than me !!!

Nothing else of excitement to report - just want some sunshine!!! Camping again for bank holiday - 8 of us going so should be fun - then got my trade in for diving weekend with weekend at Champneys then planning sunshine holiday in Novemebr - just reluctant to plan anything until know when next cycle will be - hoping for October/November :D :D

DH would so love to emigrate to new Zealand or Australia but I would miss my family too much :cry:

Love carolyn xx
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PMA...No problem. I hope it help cheer you up!!! I didnt know you guys had a law like that. I dont think we do here...not sure though.
Sorry to hear that your Dad didn't support your choice of career at first. That really stinks when someone you love and look up too looks down at you. I dont understand why some parents are like that. I mean, you are well educated and you can take care of yourself. AND you are happy. What more could a father want!!! My Dad was like that too. I think he regrets treating me that way because, unlike my sister, I rebelled. My sister was/is his little mini me and I was always the dissapointment. Like your father, my father has come around. He never really apologized but it doesnt bother me. I mean, I am sure it hurt me growing up, but I am not one to hold grudges...
That is one thing I promise never to do to my future child...I will never ever make them feel less of a person because they choose their own path. Infact I think we should chose our own path. As long as they are a good person, not doing anything illegal, and can take care of themselves and/or their family, that is all I can ask. Sorry...didnt mean to start a book...LOL :shock: :lol:

Man...you are one awesome person. I cannot say that I wouldnt hold them partly reponsible for my IF!!! Not that I am saying you should....it is good that you dont. Makes you a better person. That is just scary and horrible. You are very right negative thought, and feelings will just bring you down as a person. It can make you miserable!!! You really are an awesome person!!! I would love to meet you!!!!

3 DAYS TILL EMBIES COME HOME!!! WHOO HOO!!!!

Carolyn, I love gossip. The innocent kind anyway...love the celebrity gossip...isnt that horrible... :lol: So you dive too?? Dh and I went to a friends house on sat. Had a good time. Yesteray we stayed home together...made dinner and watched the Olympics!! I LOVE the Olympics!!! :D

Hey Nims...so why do they call Austrailia Oz?? Is it true what they say about France, that they do not like Americans??? My friend went to Paris last year and she said they were not very nice to her and her husband...

OK ladies...I HAVE to get some work done... hee hee I am a slacker!!! :shock:
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hiya Mir - no don't dive - too scary for me!!!

I love Olympics too - 4 years ago we were stayiong near Athen swhen they were there - managed to get tickets to para olymics - that was even more special I think when you see the adversity some of the athletes have over come - we watched cycling in velodrome and were like sitting with families of contestants and after they had competed they just came and sat with there families - even touched a gold medal that a british cyclist won - the atmosphere was unreal and so emotional when they play the national anthems .. I was watching the diving when I was in gym today .. anything to pass the time on the cross trainer:-)

Will be at work all day tom but back around 5pm UK time which think is your lunchtime ish!!


Oooo PMA only 2 more sleeps till your embies are home xxx

night ladies xxx
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PMA - you're one strong and tremendous person - not sure i know many people who wouldn't hold their parents responsible in those sort of circumstances but again it goes back to what we were talking about the other day on the choices we make and how we let those choices and experiences effect our lives and how we then deal with it moving forward. It does show though what sort of person you are and I'm so glad to have met you - very inspirational.

Miracle - I have no idea why they call it oz - i'm assuming if you say Australia the beginning sounds like 'Oztralia' - whats the word - when you say something phenetically - have I got that right!!?? Its hard to write what i mean here!! :shock:
Also, couldn't say that French hate the Americans - not heard that one before - if they do, thats because they haven't met you !! :wink:

Carolyn - i go in at 7pm tomorrow evening - so should be around during the day thats if nature doesn't take its on course tonight - lets hope eh!!! I so hope that we are doing the right thing - I'm so worried about it - this is the final chapter of a very long journey - my midwife doesn't understand why the taking us in when we are only 7 days overdue so kinda of got us worried too.......... but hey on a lighter note, junior will be with us very soon.

thats me for the day................

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all crossed for you Nims - out and about tom - so hope all goes well and next time we speak you will be holding that much awaited bundle --

big hugs to you and DH and all the luck in the world xxxx
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Hello ladies,

How are you guys doing? :D I'm much better, that's for sure! I did sneak out of work and spent the afternoon with my furbabies (dog and cat) on the sofa, eating lunch and cross-stitching, watching the last Harry Potter. What more could a girl ask for?

I don't remember who asked, but my bday is on the 17th. It's great, I get to ask all kinds of fun stuff... like the KitchenAid stationary mixer... gaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!! And a chef's knife... and an ice cream maker... (can't eat dairy, so making my own ice cream with soy milk will be better than most of the horrible stuff out there)... all the Sherlock Holmes DVDs with Jeremy Brett (he was AWESOME!)... a 2nd dog... a fancy cake pan... (can you tell I love to cook?). Babies, too, but that present will arrive early I think! ;)

Okay, enough about me... time to get personal!

nimble,
I hope everything will be all right tomorrow... could you remind me what they're going to do exactly? Plain old inducing with the pitocin and everything? Aw, don't be worried sweetie... I'm sure you're in very good hands. They'll do whatever needs to be done so you have a healthy happy little bundle of joy in your arms either tomorrow or the day after. I'll be thinking of you and praying for a quick and safe delivery my darling. Hang in there, you're almost there!!!! *HUGS*

SO NICE of you to say that your lining was about the same... gah, nice to hear! And I promise, no more talk of BFNs... :oops: And HEY... Miracle was wondering about Oz too!!! And English is her first language, lol! :D LOL and I thought you were talking about a US city... LOL! :lol: I'm sure life in Oz would be nice... but it's also the place where they have the biggest spiders and snakes and whatnot... ewwwwwwww I'd be SO edgy all the time!!! We have a whole family of garden snakes living under the deck, and I keep checking each time I step on it... I'd be miserable in Australia! As for France, yes they're more laid back. Basically, I think you find less workoholics than in North America, for example. My husband, who is French, always takes the time to eat his lunch properly, then have a nice coffee and relax before he goes back to whatever he was doing. The first time we visited his family, my... all we did was eat and sleep!!!! Crazy! I would take over 2 hours to have lunch, and then it was almost time for dinner! I'll ALWAYS remember that banquet we had when we were on tour with the orchestra I played in (french horn)... we were about 40 guests and we ate from 6pm to midnight, outside under a huge cherry tree... and I swear I didn't even feel heavy afterwards. They just knew how to organize the menu so you could keep enjoying food without stuffing yourself too much... amazing. And of course I'd love to visit with Mir!!! :D What a nice reunion this would be!

Carolyn,
Hehehehe you sure love coffee! :D I'm glad to hear you had a good time today! That camping trip sounds fun!

Miracle,
Really, you're too kind. You know, I did feel angry for years... part of me did whine about how it was their fault, and if only I hadn't listened to them and so on... same for the resident. It took a lot of work to get rid of those negative feelings. They do come back sometimes, like when my father didn't think about what he was saying and said that my situation was a "small drama". But most of the time, I'm able to keep them at bay. Forgiveness is all about that... giving yourself a gift by getting rid of negative and harmful emotions and thoughts. I don't know what else to say, sweetie... I don't feel like an awesome person, really... but thank you so much for saying that, I'll sure put it in my pocket dearest. I owe a couple of people a lot for the way I've changed during the past year, and *that* is awesome. And for the record, I'd love to meet you too!!! :D

Ooooh and I love gossip too!!! Did you know that Daniel Radcliffe's happy trail is pointing the wrong way? I figure blokes in the UK drive on the wrong side of *that* road too... figures why they have such a bad reputation when it comes to sex... :lol: And as for the French hating Americans... know this hunny, PARIS cannot be compared to the rest of France. People in Paris can be SO ARROGANT, RUDE, SELF-CENTERED and KNOW-IT-ALL!!!! UGH! You have NO idea. And I've been there several times. The minute you travel oustide Paris, though... completely different story. Some Quebeckers are quite paranoid when they go to Paris, because of our accent... they act like they're all enthusiastic about their "cousins" when in fact they look down on us because, supposedly, we don't speak French properly. Excuse me, but the amount of anclicisms those guys use is astonishing! :oops: But I'm getting carried away... :)

Okay guys, time to go back to some writing!!:D

Lots of kissies,

Sophie xxox
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Hello ladies, how is everyone doing today???

I see nobody has been by yet... :(

I will be a busy bee the next two months. We have inventory in September and we are starting precounts. So...if you dont hear from me as much, that is why. UUURRRGGGHHH I HATE INVENTORY!!!! We have a huge warehouse to count and the worst is it DOESNT have ac. So we have to count all these parts in the nasty humid heat. It totally sucks. I get very irritable in the heat so I am kind of grumpy... :( Anyway, enough of my whinning...

Pma- Ok, that makes sense about Paris. It is like New York City then. Everyone thinks that New Yorkers are sooo rude. But they get that impression from the people in NYC. NYC is my FAV city but the people are VERY rude. So I would need to go outside of Paris to meet the "real" french people!!!

NIMS!!!! What time do you go in today???? Hoping for a fast and safe delivery hun!!! Just think...you will FINALLY see that baby soon!!!! BOY OR GIRL!!! I CANT WAIT!!! Awww, your sweet, saying that if the French do not care for the Americans that they havent met me yet...YOUR THE BEST NIMS!!!!!

Chriss-How is it going love??? Still have company??

Hrobinson, how did the decorating go with your sweet baby girl?? I bet she has a lot of fun!!! :D

Angel, and Angie...still missing you girls... :cry: :cry: :cry:

Hi Becky, how are you? Take all the time you need. You know where to find us crazy loons when you are ready....

Oh Carolyn...how are you today?? I totally missed your post about how you dont dive either... Sorry had a DUH moment....

kay ladies I am off to sweat my arse off...will check in later... big hugs and lots of love to you all!!!!
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