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From: kerpupples
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:36 pm
Subject: I don't think so!
I'm sorry, but I take deep offense at your post.

Sophie has complained about people not interacting and chided people in a condescending manner about it. She's told me she "doesn't judge me" because I took a home pregnancy test before my beta. She's complained about getting taxed too much on her YEAR of PAID maternity leave. She's told me I should see a nutritionist because I'm 20 pounds overweight. And she's blamed her outbursts at her doctor's appointment on her friend! You want to talk insensitive, you should really look at both sides of the coin.

I've heard from others that they have left the thread because of her, and now because of her and also largely because of you, I'm leaving as well. I have no desire to stick around in a hostile environment. I don't appreciate your condescending tone either.


here's the PM i got too - for your information, kerpupples, it says nowhere on this site that PMs are not allowed to be published. and anyway, the fact you are PMing everybody just shows you havent got the bottle to write to us in public.

sophie - no worries hun....just let it go over your head. they're not worth it.

mir - you're a star. cant believe that woman swore at you in a PM - think swearing needs reporting to the PM patrol!

in the 2 years ive been on here (well over 2 years!) i have never come across such bitchy women....this forum is full of loving, caring, sensitive women and men, and thats how it should stay!

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Hey Sophie!!!

No problem love. I am a very loyal person. I dont like when people mistreat my friends. They hurt my friends, they hurt me. :wink:

Your additions to the list is awesome. I posted that on my website because some friends have said those things and it was easier to post that then tell them...hey what you just said is out of line and rude! :shock:

I went to your OLD thread, I saw that you had a little problem with your close friend. How did your little talk go? Did you girls have a good time at the show?? I bought my BF tickets for The Lord of the Dance for Christmas a few years ago. We had a really good time. It is fantastic!!!


OK...where are you laides....Carolyn,Becky,Angie,Rachel,Beach...Come out come out where ever you are!!! :lol: :lol:

Thinking of you Angel!!!!! BIG HUGS!!!!

Shantala! Right on with your post!!! LOVED IT! I went to the "other" thread and read what you wrote too!!!! As us Americans say...AWESOME!!!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
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mir - pmsl.....you ROCK too!! (that sounds really weird with an english accent!!)....lol...how you doing hun??

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Hi Shantala!!!

You crack me up!!! You are so funny. I am great. How are you and that sweet baby girl? Oh, and DH TOO???
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mir - baby and i are very well thank you. dh STILL at home (sick with a bad back since june)....think that says it all really!! lol....so where are you in the "awaiting tmt" bit at the mo??

icsi - sorry hun, have been meaning to reply to one of your posts....YES, i am completely with you on the "dh at home" thing...Oh my frigging god, dont you just want to kill them?? i rather be at home with triplets, two dogs and five guinepigs than one dh!! lol...(sorry, hope no-one reading this thread has triplets, two dogs and five guineapigs!! :lol: ) it's just the smallest things that drive me nuts...i told him the other day he has to start socialising more with his family and friends in the evening so that i can get some PEACE....and he's taken my advice and goes out now...hehehe....then its a nice glass of wine and the remote all to myself!!!!

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How did he hurt his back? When does he go back to work? You and Angie crack me up...you send your DH out at night. SOOO funny!!!

Well, we are hoping within the next year we will be starting some type of treatment!!! :x :x
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OMG - what has been going in !!!!

Firstly - Sophie - I love your posts - when in a rush like Shantala said I skim read - rest of the time in detail - who needs people like this - I though IF was meant to bring people together not be nasty and bitchy like this :twisted: You are welcome on our awaiting thread - as you are awaiting a delivery now :lol: :lol:

Mir - crack me up - loved the list of insenstivie things - these people need a life and not to focus on others .... sooo noticed on last post starting treatment next year .. what.. when.. where - we need to know xx

Shantala - oh no poor DH - or more likely poor you and Elianna - any sign of him returning to work? I hurt my back - proplapsed disc bout 4 years ago and was off for 6 months and was bored out of my brain ... you go girl with the glass of wine and remote conrol!!!

Icsi - hows you hon - any luck with DH and job interviews?? - you need to do like Shantala has and send DH out to play at night :lol:

Becky - where is our newest mummy - sending you hugs and hope all is ok xxxx

Angel - thinking of you hon - you know where we are whne your ready to come back xxx

Sorry ladies feel as though been MIA a bit - just so snowed under at work and his work/life balance feels like all work and no life at moment :cry:

Have been reading just not had time to post - but after last few days of bitchy horrible posts felt complelled to repsond!!

take care

Lots of love

carolyn xx
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Morning ladies,

Looks like there's quite a "pm dance" going on, wow! :roll: By the way, Stefanie and Kerpupples, you can keep sending sending me pms, but I delete them without reading them. I'm glad you found each other and can lean on each other through the IVF journey, but I'm not interested in a clique rivalry. I don't need that hostility in my life. I posted what I needed to say on the other thread yesterday, I apologized twice these past weeks for unintentionally hurting your feelings, I explained my sincere intentions many times, and I have nothing more to tell you. I agree with Shantala and Miracle: go spit your venom in your own cycle buddies thread if it suits you, but stop bothering the wonderful women on this thread.

Miracle, Shantala, again, I'm so sorry you've had to read those emotionally charged pms. I'm even more sorry to see them on the public board, given their content. It's really a shame to see how written info can be misinterpreted and how, when people don't come out and express what they understood and how it affected them, misunderstanding can easily escalate out of proportion. I'm also amazed at how some people can give others such mean intentions when, clearly, everyone should be given the benefit of the doubt until they can explain themselves. Nobody's perfect, we sometimes discuss "hot topics" and the least we can do is to genuinely respect each other's opinions without adding an undeeded layer of character attacks.

I could comment on kerpupple's reactions and interpretations of my posts but they're not worth it, not when they're phrased like this. Obviously, they're biased and you guys, who've known me for years in some cases, also know that I'm not like that. Either way, those of you who went to that other thread and read the posts themselves, mine and theirs, seemed to have a clear understanding of what was going on. That's all I need.

Miracle,
I know, sometimes those comments are so unexpected that you're just speecheless! And afterwards, in the car or once you're back home, you wish you'd said this or that... After so many years, it took me a while to accept that some people will never truly understand or be there the way I need them to. Like so many women here, I thought that with patience, lots of explaining, sharing, clarifications, they would get there. Some just won't, and it's okay. It just means they're not the people of choice to lean on during those times. Some amazing women here taught me that and it brought me a lot of peace.

Thanks for asking about my friend sweetie. Actually, it's my doctor who made me realize there might be a problem with the impact of my friend's anxiety on me. If psychologists are the worst patients when it comes to psychological distress, doctors are the worst patients when it comes to physical issues! :lol: You just know too much, given your field of work, and you can elaborate very complicated and complex scenarios and anticipate all kinds of potential problems. However, after talking to a wise friend, I realized that talking to my best friend about it might not be the best option. What we saw here is a fine example that pregnancy hormones can cause a lot of overreaction... and I'm not sure my friend would have understood the right message. I didn't want to hurt her feelings or cause more drama, so I only told her about what had happened at the doc's office and the bad news I had received at the end of the consult. My friend was very supportive and she also understood on her own how the medical worries she had shared with me had impacted on the apt. I realized that, given the emotional turmoil she's in at the moment, I can do my best, but I may not be the person who can help her the most with that right now. So I've decided to be there for her, listen to her like friends do, but I stopped putting pressure on myself to help her turn this around and feel more peaceful and happy about her pregnancy with donor IUI. And next time she shares biased medical info through her worries, I'll gently tell her that I'm not the right person to share that with at the moment because I'm also pregnant, although I'm right there for her for the rest. She'll understand.

The show was great! :D Although I see that the choreographer pushed the "sexiness" of the girl's dances much too far; it was sometimes plain vulgar. Surely you remember the gypsy's first solo. On the DVD, it was sensual, hypnotic, athletic! I LOVED IT! But at the show, she threw herself on the floor, she did weird baladi/pole dancing moves, kept wooshing her hair all over the place... not very sensual anymore. The men, though, always my favorite parts of the show, were amazing! They made some footwork even more complicated and it was quite something to watch!!! The bad guys leader really interacted with the crowd and he was also very comical that way. We both had a great time!

Carolyn,
Hi there! :D It's good to have you back! What you said about me being welcome on this thread "despite" my pregnancy means a lot, a LOT! :D That you for your support! Sorry to hear that work is taking so much of your time! I hope you'll have a great relaxing weekend to compensate! Any news on the Prague front?

Shantala,
Yes, you ROCK dearest, with or without the accent! :lol: I've read several of your comments about your DH's health over the years, but I'm wondering... does he see an improvement at least? Does staying at home make it a little better? Back pain is difficult to deal with, and I really hope his docs can find a solution! Seeing a light a the end of the tunnel is so important when you're stuck with a long recovery or chronic pain... *hugs* my father's wife had a big accident in April, and she's suffered from chronic back pain since... and in October, my father found another type of meds for her that made a HUGE difference in her life and improved her quality of life ten times. If you're interested to hear about it, pm me...

Take care guys!

Sophie xxox
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good grief girls!!! i leave you alone for a day and look what happens!!! :shock: <i>

OK....first things first......

SOPHIE ----- "we" ADORE you girl :wink: you need not concern yourself with all of the pissin' matches that have ensued as a result of ANYBODY's posts.......one of the reasons i've always felt so at home on this thread is BECAUSE of the fact there wasn't any of the "high school girl bull shi*" that went on!!!!! And i for one have NEVER been a fan of pissy attitudes among girls/women......is one of the things that i have very little patience for :twisted: (and i'm a pretty patient person).....i completely understand how your feelings would have been hurt by some of the comments made by other gals (shame on you girls by the way --- who are you to sit in 'judgment' of the length of anybody's posts or for the content of posts....if we can't come HERE to vent and to share with other women going thru the exactly the same things -- then where can we go??????????? And more importantly ---- if you don't like it, don't come and read!!!! I know i've been choosy on where i felt most comfortable out here and it took me a good long while of observing before i ever posted - because i wanted to 'land' in the right place.....and i feel like i did my homework well and i couldn't be more thrilled with the gals i've met and established FRIENDSHIPS with :? ) Anyway soph.........my advice to you is 2 part.... 1 - CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES.....and 2 - stay and play with us where we really do love and value your reads!!!!! :wink: :wink:

Ladies --- LETS MOVE ON......we all know who's company (reads) we enjoy and like to be a part of --- so lets just move forward knowing who's sandbox we like to play in!!! :wink:
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although one would never know -- i actually started my post about 2 hours ago (the one to sophie).....and in a hurry to get it posted once and for all -- completely forgot to respond to my other bff's out here!!!

shantala ---ALWAYS SO NICE to see you out and about hun!!! oh what i would do to HEAR you say "YOU ROCK"!!!! maybe we should teach ellie!!? ha, ha, ha!! maybe someday we'll actually be able to MEET.... wouldn't that be cool???? except the one condition i would like to put out there right now is that we get to come to THAT side of the pond!!!!! i can see it now ---- a nice little cozy house out in the middle of nowhere.... with a LOT of wine and other various beverages and just having the biggest/bestest slumber party of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who's in???? :wink: (ahhh yes - and my dear husband..... :roll: that's all i have to say about that at the moment!!!)

mir --- you GO GIRL!!! we all ROCK eh???!!! love being a part of this thread.......is and always will be the best!!! (thanks to our beck!!) speaking of beck -- where did you run off to mummy??? and mir -- are ya all settled into your new place??? how about christmas decor -- got all that put up?

carolyn!!!! HIYA GIRL!!! good to see you!!! :P thanks for asking about dh.....he's still looking.....FORTUNATELY - we'll be ok (money wise) on my income for awhile.....things are tight for sure - but we're ok..... and believe me - there is NOTHING that would please me more than to send my dh across the pond to hang w/ shantala's dh!!!!! ha, ha, ha!! so tell me girl --- any posh (is that the right word???) christmas parties that you're getting ready for??? didn't your work take you to that really great restaraunt/place last year at christmas??? i thought i remember it was you that was muckin it up!!

angel........<<<<<<<<<<<BIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of you sweetie.........

beck......come out-come out wherever you are!!! hey --- so i'm dyin to know......have you and brian had any BCABB in celebration of the babies!!????? :wink: (yes i said BABIES.......bet you have a whole lot of them in there!!)

to all my other lovelies --- a giant hello!!!!!!!! hugs and kisses to all!!! must run for now.........
:-) Angie
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Becky, congrats!

Sophie, I don't even know those other girls. I pm'ed you on my own love. Leave me out of it.
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Hey Carolyn and Angie!!!!

WHOO HOO!!! More friends to play with!!! :lol: :lol:

Dh and I have discussed tmt and are hoping to start either summer or fall. Sooner the better. We also decided to do IUI with DS. We cant financially afford IVF/ICSI right now. So we had three options:

1. remain childless
2. Wait and hope we save up the money for IVF and hope my eggs do not get worse.
3. Do IUI with DS like we orginally thought was are only option.

So we are going to option 3. :P We have been talking about using DS for about 2 years now. I want to go to some type of conseling though. I have contacted an Infertility therapist...so we will go from there.

You are right Angie!! We are moving on!!! :wink:
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OMG CHRISS!

There's been a terrible mix-up! A few days ago I was looking for valerie, a good friend who was on their cycle buddies thread (before the drama started) and I was so sure I had seen a Chriss post there! I thought it was THAT Chriss, and NOT you, who had joined the chorus and pmed me those insults! I'm so sorry I deleted your pm without reading it! So sorry! I'll remove your name from my post right away! Thank you so much for letting me know of my mistake! :oops: And thank you for sending your love my dear, and for taking the time to send me a pm. *hugs* No hard feelings?

Take care,

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Hi CHRISS!!!! Nice to see you over here!!!! :P
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The only reason I've been writing PMs is in order to not be hurtful to Sophie. That was something I was always trying to avoid that you catty bitches can't seem to see.

You can enjoy your little pity party on your own here, I'm done reading this drivel.

Shantala, anybody with a brain and any sensibility who's ever been on a message board knows that is bad etiquette.
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