Awaiting Treatment

[Welshgirl38]

Js: Thats fantastic news, one lovely healthy heartbeat So pleased for you .... Im glad u came in to let us know, and glad that u can be a role model for our Carolyn. Xxxx

Carolyn: See it can and DOES work - and it WILL for you too You have to keep beleiving xxx

Jen1d: Awwww big hugzzzz going out to u - ur really not having a good time of it are u .... Its good to have a good cry isnt it. And i think u did it in the right place (not that there is ever a wrong place) but now the DR can see for herself how ur feeling. I do hope u get ur councelling sorted, and get someone to talk to soon. As u say - ur % is much higher this time - concentrate on that and u will soon be wondering what all this stress is about

Got to dash, Brian will be home shortly - an me being the wonderful wife as i am, need to go and put on some make up and do my hair and nails, make his tea, and be waiting with a glass of wine for him (chilled) when he comes thru the door!!

Yeahhhhhhhhh right (NOT!) ..... lol

Becky Xxxx

[shantala]

hey ladies!!!!

JB - glad you empathise with me on the mortgage...what a nightmare. my dh bought the house originally in his sole name so we asked our solicitor to add my name to the deeds in january. after an official complaint we finally got the confirmation through this week! after over 6 months!!!! not impressed. good job we have a credit card! (ivf costs are due tuesday!) i only stimmed for 9 days last time and took the trigger on the 10th. this time i'm going to push for an extra day or 2 if my follie sizes are the same. about the reminding me of my relaxdness when i'm on my 2ww!!! lol. your cul-de-sac get-together sounded great!! glad you had a good time.

welsh - ooohhhh, hun, how exciting they're giving you dates already. i love having dates. i see what you mean about the trouble with AF, EC/ET and the wedding. hhmmmm....sounds a bit like the worry i had that EC/ET was going to fall in our holiday ban at work. although they couldnt really say much if it had have done as its medical but its not like you can postpone the wedding for a week. tricky one! as if you dont have enough to deal with!! i would just play it by ear and we'll all jig for you in the meantime!!! thanks for updating the list hun...eek, cant believe how close i'm getting again! oh, and you poor thing about your work. and i thought my post was bad enough! sniffing going ok thanks, very headachy but apart from that not too bad. about your love "the long ones"....of course you meant the posts!

jen1d - about the book! aaww, your comment made me smile about being the next BFP (after carolyn of course!!). lets hope so. how you feeling now?? best of luck for tomorrow, let us know how you get on. sounds like you need these next 4 days off. and PJs and BB sound like bliss to me!

nimble - hey hun! dont you just hate that when that happens?? you write everything and then you lose it. gggrrrr... cool about emailing me some dates...no worries, whenever!! i know what you mean about having a plan, its reassuring, isnt it. anyway, good luck on the 7th if i forget (hoping to have EC on the 7th/8th)...let us know what they say, especially with regards to the m/c and causes, etc. hope they have some answers for you or at least some tests they can do. and good about your dh having someone to talk to. it must be so hard for them, especially as they bottle everything up and like you said, dont have cyberfriends like us.

karia - nice to hear from you. what a dilemma about your situation. where are you planning to go?? do you have insurance (hhmmm....not sure if they will cover it though...maybe?)?

gill - yes, i am glad too that ive sorted everything with work. and yes, you're right, nobody knows at work. i figured that other women dont say to their bosses "oh i'm ovulating tomorrow so we're hoping to be pregnant in 2 weeks!" do they? its a personal thing so they dont have to know. and in any case i'm not sure how understanding my boss(es) would be. think the gynae thing is great as its not lying but not telling all either. great that you have made a decision on donor sperm V PGD, that must be a weight of your shoulders.

carolyn - hey hun, no worries about taking it easy and not coming on here too much. its great to read you but if you dont wanna obsess and take some time out thats cool too. i'm so sorry to hear about your other embies. thats such a shame and i know how you feel as i was gutted that we had none to freeze. i'll be honest, it does make you wonder why those dont carry on growing but the truth is, we will never know. and we've heard so many stories on here where ladies (remember ems) have gotten something like 3 eggs, they've only had 1 that was good enough to put back and now they're pregnant. so dont give up hope hun. it is disappointing though and we can all feel your disappointment and pain. but you also have a VERY good chance, especially with 3! and all those things you're taking must make a difference. anyway, try and stay positive, we're all right behind you. anyway, blimey, all that stuff that you have to take...and the times you have to take them too!!! but they must have their reasons so i guess anything is worth a shot. need to pm you actually. rest up and read you soon! xx

lara - hey hun, sorry to hear you still dont have a date for the funeral. its awful, the not knowing, isnt it. cant wait for you to have your holiday. you deserve it and dont let anybody put you off!!!

beachbaby - hey hun, great to hear from you! sorry to hear you're so busy...know the feeling!! anyway, we have another BB buddy then. yey!

js - hey, good to hear from you too!!! your beta sounds fantastic!! best of luck for your scan tomorrow....cant wait to hear the news. make sure you let us know!

aunty - hey hun....aawwww, please dont think you're going through the menopause!! if you're really worried you can get tests done which can indicate whether you are about to go through the change. i once saw an IVF programme here where a lady thought she was going through the menopause (night sweats and everything) and they tested one of her levels that would have indicated if she was. and luckily enough she wasnt! maybe that would be a good idea to put your mind at rest. god, that must be so frightening. big hugs!!

angel - great that we have you back. thank you for your lovely comment about my mums post. i shall certainly tell her. let us know how your app goes!

hi to everyone else!!! sorry, better rush as dh is waiting, we're popping out to his daughter's for a cuppa. have been feeling VERY headachy and had to have the day off work yesterday as i felt extremely dizzy and sick and then it turned into a migraine. never mind. still had a terrible headache today but went to work. not long now till i start stimms and then it will all be better. better go, dh is sat next to me now and is bugging me.

bye for now!!

xxxx

[shantala]

about my post!!

sorry peoples!

xxxxx

[gill12]

Hi Girls

Carolyn- So sorry to hear about your other embies , feel free to rant as much as you want we are all here for you.As everyone else has said you have the best little embies in you where they belong! I have everything crossed for you, Im sure this is your time . Thinking of you x

Rachel- Hope you have a great time on your holiday and that the funeral goes ok and does not disturb your plans too much.

Aunty- Hope the floor laying goes well and Im glad to hear you wont need to go to bed!Im sure that its just the stress of the new house and how busy you have been, you are deffo no old lady!!

Becky- Glad to hear you are going to take one day at a time. I agree withyou 100% about donors, without them I would not even have a chance at having a baby. Hope you are still enjoying your week off- lucky you!

Angel- Good to have you back , great news about your appointment. I know how you feel about your friend, people must think Im a right b***h because of the way I am with them when they are pregnant or with newborn babies . I cant help it its just the way I cope , I feel terrible but they have no idea how difficult it is.

Jen- Sounds like your visit to the dr was worth it, she sounds like she was very understanding . I wish I could say I was looking forward to this next visit to the IM but Im not . I just dont want to find out any other problems, hopefuly they wont and we can get on with things and then I will be looking forward to going back for the et! We are flying out first thing on thursday am and home first thing on friday am so it is literaly a flying visit!

Jayne- Not long now for both your appointment and your weekend in the lakes which sounds fab! Hope the sun shines for your bbq have a great time.

Js- Fantastic news!! so happy for you Hope the nausea is not too bad.

Shantala- Sorry to hear you have been feeling unwell hope it doesnt last long and you feel better soon . Not long for you now on the dr.

Thank you all for your lovely kind words about dh and the tmt, we have been together for 21 yrs and married for 11yrs(tomorrow) Friday, he is fantastic, I love him to bits. I think I am finding the decision to use donor sperm more difficult than he is! I have come to terms with using a donor egg a long time ago. I just want to say that you all help to make it easier for me I dont have anybody else to talk to so this forum has been a BIG help, thanks so much .

Sorry to those I have missed, hope you are all well
Lots of love
Gill xxx

[karia]

i off to spain/Portugal/France/Italy for three weeks my holiday insurance wont refund the holiday as they say ivf isn't a medical condition my only hope is that the royal will give me my drugs before i go i wont find out until my aug af comes all i can do is keep everything crossed

[js200632]

hi guys i need some help

got a call from the doc ..abt the ultrasound
they say they saw two empty sacs with this one..has anyone else heard of such a thing?is there a chanace they could catch up or its already too late?

[AuntyPebbles]

JS what what what...?? are you saying they said you only have two empty sac's?

love aunty

[js200632]

aunty..they said the baby is 6 wks but there r two empty sacs too...plus i checked..the heart rate is low too...its 109....i thought this was the end of my troubles

[Jen1d]

Hi JS

Sorry but i'm confused, did you have 3 embies put back in?
From your scan they said everything was ok, are they saying now that its not?
Will keep everything crossed for you, hang in there buddy

Love Jen x

[jen babes]

Hi all

Js i am a bit confused too do you mean your embie heart beat is low at 106? and the other 2 empty sacs are embpy no embies or heartbeat? Hope all is okay hun. To me a heartbeat is a ppositive thing so focus on that!!!!

jen- Glad that you got some support from your gp...It will really help when you get counselling from work. Have you heard any more about donor @ Im is she stimming already????

Gill- You sound like you have such a great relationship Hun...it takes a lot of work but when it works it works eh!!! Soon be a family with your BFP. Can i ask why did Im suggest the Hyperoscopy( spelling?) ??? does it give you a good clear out too??? Am wondering if that would help us too?

carolyn- sorry hun to hear about the other embies...it's sad and difficult to understand for others but there is a real loss with all the embies we make. Sometimes it's good to think of them and sy a little bye bye to them. But girl at the moment you have to focus on your embedded fighter embies snuggled in your belly. These ones need your thoughts and loving too. hows the reading going ??? ahve you finisshed book 2 yet and have dvd's arrived? looking forward to BB tonight and have a big tub of hagan daz to scoff...mnmmmmm!!!! love to ya x x

becky ah hun it's so difficult planning everything in your head that way...I know we all like to have such a time line on things but it never goes that way. betcha everything workss out fine in the end and AF comes when you want her to. What you said to carolyn was wonderful you must be a great Mum and you'd make a great counsellor The AF stuff is still F'ing me up still no show and this is the longest ever ( except when i was down regging)Don't know whether to wait until IM or see GP now. Last time AF was late GP said nothing can be done ( ie no referral to gyno) until 3 months of no AF...and you know what the NHS is like everything takes ages....So am just sitting it out...feeling fat bloated like a giant tellytubby!!!! Honestly i don't fit in tousers i fitted in last week. Even DH can't believe it. I have thighs like a hippo with celluite...hope thats given you a laugh hun x x

Aunty- move time is fastly approaching. it will be lovely to be in there. Hope your not to stressed about the move. Are you doing it yourselves or have you a company organised? x x also a bit about menoapuse in my bit at the end.

Jayne enjoy the Lakes...sounds fantastic only3wks to go...Oh Af is so good to you !!!!!! And appointment time only 3 wks away. It will fly by as your mostly on your hols. . Enjoy the bbq and birthday party x x hugs x x


Rachel- enjoy your hols next week and hope you get some sun. It's been lovely here toody brill sun all day. Hope the funeral doesn't distupt your time off too much. It's such a difficult one xxhugsxxx

Shantala can't believe it took 6 months what a bl'dy nigtmare for you. x x Hope the migraine clears soon the down reg did headaches for me too it was horrible But as you say stimming soon and they clear up... Follies will soon be a growing. !0 days is a quick turnaround so lets hope they grow slowly and let all the eggs mature for you and you'll have a big harvest

Hi to jackie shantala & Angel and anyone Else i haven't personaled x

Karia Hope you get the drugs before you go hun. I am sure the clinic will help you oout. Have a good holiday x x

well i still haven't had a show of the painters ....ie no AF and no house painters. It's ben dry here all week and the guys could have finished no probs but they called me last night and said they have done another job was a very angry pmt'd woman and gave them waht for about communication and letting the client know. What is it about tradesmen thnking that they can just lie or do what they want to without informing the paying client....F's me off no end.....Anyway as i said to becky i am blowing up with fluid like a giant tellytubby!!!! Af is officially late 3 wks now and still only a bit of red every 3-4 days!!! Just waiting it out and nothing i can relly do. Aunty i too feel lke i got the menopaue coming soon with this lack of AF. But i ain't got any hot sweats though just a dull headache. Fed up with it all, but have decided NHS will take 6-8 onths for me to see a gyno so may as well just go see Big B and let them check my hormones and give me the down reg meds x xWhat do you think girls????

Have a great weekend everyone...know you lot have got loads of rain but to make you all sick we have had 3 days of sun shine this week. Its a cracker today. x xx


Lokking forwrd to nicky being evicted and have some hagan daz to scoff mmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!! I love Fridays when DH is out iit's such a nurturing experience for me



love jenB
xxx

[AuntyPebbles]

Awww Lady's thank you so much you all made me feel so much better, your right im just a mess at the moment (run down and pooped) my face has broken out really bad look like i been slapped real hard with the spotty stick....hugs to you all

Carolyn im so sorry you had no frosties and really understand how you feel i keep thinking the same things (maybe i just dont make good embies) and the why wont just one stick it's not asking for much is it?!!!!! so im not going to gloss over how you feel at all i will join you on the "this is so unfair" train because it really is, im mad and sad frustrated with you...ok just want to point out one of the ones you transfered had already started to compact on day 3...thats a good one there maybe it showed the other two what to do you know how kids are..bet they are in there right now saying."i bet i can make an arm before you do"...sending hugs your way

JS ohhh sorry for the dumb moment i was so worried for you...ok so your little one is a bit more chilled than the "norm" at this point just a laid back baby lets hope it stays that way after it's born, your so right i know i was thinking if i could only get pregnant all my worrys would be over ...as if...i will keep you in my prayers lets see what happens to those other sacs too i have seen some crazy things go on on this forum i still remember someone getting a +ive then a -ive then a twin pregnancy all in one cycle...hugs

Gill thanks the floor looks flippin brilliant (sammy cant walk to good)...LOL but we did a really good job (we think so anyway)thank you for the kind words...your a huge insperation on your outlook on this whole thing

Shantal sweetie thank you...i forgot to mention we have been having a heatwave over here...LOL it's been in the 90's but with heat index and humidety ?(spelling) it's felt over 100 degrees...maybe not helping it keeps raining big storms but it's no cooler...your such a sweetheart hugs..man i was peed off about your mortgage your right lucky for credit cards i hope you get it sorted out soon hun less to worry about

Jen i wish i lived closer would be good to have a natter and a cry over a cup of tea i feel for you if this makes sense try not to get to down on yourself for being down we are allowed to be sad and everything else with all we go through ... i was sat in our house the other day just finishing some things up and i looked around and thought aww we are making a really nice home then just burst into tears i looked down at the floor and thought man we are never going to have a little us running around we are here making a home and will never be able to share it..at first i got mad at myself for being so upset but now im thinking im allowed to be upset ...we are all allowed to be upset, it will make our big baby bellys all the more precious...right

sending loads of love to you all...Aunty

[CarolynB]

Hello Ladies

JS - the main thing is that they saw a heartbeat. It is very early. It could mean that the other two embies tried to embed but where not so successful. It could be that it is very early and you may see a 2nd or even 3rd heartbeat at the next scan. The very positive news is that they saw at least one heartbeat at this early stage. When will they scan you again? The fact that you are sick is a great sign. Thanks for your support from our own story. Interesting the differing views on bed rest. I was not told to take bed rest after ET - although new clinic does advise it for some ladies. I don't have great circulation (that is why I am on heparin and aspirin to thin my blood and get it moving around me) so they did not want me to do bed rest. No good for me as just makes my circulation worse - I did it first time as had read it was what you should do. Guess that we are all different. Was told to not work for the 1st week to reduce my stress but to move around - light walking. Just thought that I should write this as worth other ladies asking whether bed rest is advised for them or not.

Rachel - I hope that you can find out soon when the funeral is and it does not disrupt your hols too much. Have a great break. Hope that the sun will shine for you

Angel - what is the date for your private appointment? Hope that it is not too far away for you. We all struggle when we hear of pregnancies and babies. It is not you, it is just really hard on all of us. Hugs

Jackie - some hoping that they are going to be able to give you some answers. Please can I come to Mauritius with you?????

Gill - Good luck for your hysteroscopy this week. It will be fine. They will make you all nice and tidy inside. I viewed it as a good thing rather than a bad thing. If they spot anything then they will be able to deal with it now rather than it making a difference to your embies. Really hope that your flying visit to IM is going to go well for you & your amazing dh. Hope that you had a lovely anniversary yesterday together

Jen1d - glad to see that you may be able to get some support through your work. Do you know what stage the lady is at so far - down regging or stimmies? Hope that you are feeling a bit better. Anything nice planned for the weekend?

Karia - really hope that you will be able to get your drugs before you go. You will be nice and relaxed on your hols to get under way. Fingers crossed

Shantala - sorry about the headaches. I know that I am being a boring nag but are you drinking enough water. I was drinking a minimum of 2 litres per day and trying to hit 3 litres per day in down regging. My clinic would nag me about it every time they saw me. Think that it is really important and as soon as I started to feel headachy then I would gulp away and it did help. Honest! Hope that your scan next week is going to show that you are ready to kick into stimmies. Did not get a PM from you? Let me know if I can help at all. They will have learnt from your 1st cycle and will be able to judge the end of the stimmies better for you for sure

Becky - thanks for your talk. I am not going to give you & Aunty a bit of a talk. The drugs play havoc with our system. Even from 1 cycle, they stay in our systems for months. That sends our AF all over the place. I am sure that it is that which is effecting both of you rather than the menopause. I so love my PJs. Have lived in them for the last week

Aunty - Thanks for your understanding. You know exactly how it is. Cannot believe how hot it is where you are! Hard wood floors - love them. Bet they look fab. Only 4 days now until you are in. Bet it is going to be just great when you get there. You are a total youngster compared to me!

JB - series 1 of Greys arrived (finally) yesterday for me. Dh was out with palls at a casino so snuggled up on the sofa under a blanket with my PJs on and watched the first 4 episodes ever. I loved in. Certainly took my mind off other stuff for 4 hours! I am jigging (but not too much) for your AF to arrive. Why is she never here when you want her??? I think that you should not bother with nhs at this stage. The best thing that you can do is talk to them aboit it when you are in Big B. They will know best. The nhs will only stress you out and then give you an appointment in months time which is off no use to you. The stats for donor cycles are all driven by the donor. The age of the receipient has no bearing at all. I am with you. Totally hate that nothing fits at the moment. I have put on loads of weight.

Jayne - hope that you enjoyed the bbq last night. The Lake District weekend after your appointment will be great. Glad that your AF is here for you

Hugs to everyone else.

So I feel nothing - other than fat! Have been off work all week - just working from home to take my mind off things. Have done a couple of short, little walks (10 mins) up to the shops which are near us. Nothing else all week. Trying not to think of it all the time but it is hard. Going out shortly to get a manicure and pedicure. Dh suggested that I did it as a treat. Then I am taking my sister to see Keane at the O2 centre this evening for her birthday. Was thinking of not going but we have seats and dh has offered to pick me up part way home if I am tired. I have decided to go as need something to distract me - will avoid jumping around and stick to singing along. Will need to smuggle in my 10pm drugs and injection and shoot up in the loos. Will not be the first time.

Work next week after 2 weeks off will be weird on Monday. But at least it will take my mind off things over the last few days.

Enjoy the weekend ladies. Thanks for all your support. You have all been fab.

Much Love
Carolyn
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[jen babes]

Hi everyone

Aunty- ah hun there is nothing wors than feeling run down and so tired...it will all be worth it. You wiill look back 3 years from now and see you little ones running up and down that hard wood floor banging toy cars and roller skates off it in the years to come. You honey are a born mum and your BFP's will come soon. keep your chin up sweetie we are here for you. x x hugs x x

caroline- ah hun you are so strong to hang in there. It would have been so easy to loose yourself in work but taking the week off has given embies the best start they can get! Bless DH suggesting a lovely manicure/ ped how blissfull hope you enjoy that and it's put somespring in your step. I am so glad you have decided to just go and see keane you will love it nd it will lift your Spirits no end!!!! Thanks for the support n the AF front...you have totally backed up my thoughts an shitty Nhs. feel big b can do more for me at this stage. Sstill having a show every 2-3 days but no more. No real va va voom in the flow!!! So o speak. ust hate feeling like a bloated giant tellytubby! You and me both eh! At least you can blame meds and 3 embies kicking oout more hormones...while i just got ice cream and drink to blame i suppose....rachel i need your slimming help!!!! anyway enjoy tonight and rest up toorrow...Hope your 2nd week flys by when your at work . x x

hi everyone else hope your having a good weekend.

My DH came in about 3.30 last night after a 12noon start on razz. It was a management golf day. where the extra golf cart is full of booze and they have a round doubles at each swip of the golf club!!!! It's a championship to see who can drink the most and stand up at the end of the night. honestly MEN when do they ever grow up!!!!! Anyway he called me at 10pm to say he would be home soon I went to bed at 12 and at 3.30 i heard him being sick in the loo. God knows when he got in. He usually lies with the dog on the dogs bean bag when he's pissed. Anyway gave him some rehydrating 'resolves' at 10am and he's still sleeping now at 1pm. I have trained him well though i found that he even in his drunken state he had attempted to clean inside the toilet after his puking phase. Poor soul bless his little cotton( puked on) socks.

off out with the girls for a lunch now...catch ya ll tomorrow

love jenB XXX

P.S. Someone asked what type of breed Broc is sorry can't remember who...he is a rhodesian ridgeback. a gentle giant of a dog and totally looks like Scooby Doo ( except no black patch on his side). Love him to bits x x

[Jen1d]

Hi gang

Aunty - If only we were all so close, can you imagine we would be in and out of each others house with lots of shoulders to cry on, it would be fab. We moved last September to our own lovely house, finally after dh being in the Army for years and staying in flats. We had been waiting on this moment for years and although we love it, i just stare at the spare rooms and feel sad for the amount of space we have and a little bundle could fill it I would love a big baby belly, dont you just hate when you see other pregnant women
You better be careful boasting about your heatwave or you'll be in my 'not talking to you' section---Nimble and Karia are there already---i want to be on hols in the sun

JenB - Yeha, Nicky is gone. What was her face like, she was terrified and what about Charley, didnt hear her saying how much all the public loved her after all the booing---cant wait for her to have the smile wiped off her face Dont know about the ed, all i know is that we are now getting our bodies ready together and have to stop the pill on 6th Aug. I decided today that i'm going to wait for about another 10 days then email IM and ask when EC is going to be and whether they will email how many eggs we get. I just feel we will be more part of the cycle if we have this info. We so desperately want some to freeze so we can try a 2nd time if need be. Its about £700 with frosties, we can afford that but not another whole cycle. Your dh sounds like mine, he only drinks when we go out and cant handle it, then ends up with his head in the loo
Still jigging for you

Carolyn - So spill the beans, how was Keane-------i just know your going to say fab and i'm WELL jealous Bet you didnt manage to stay in your seat and ended up jigging around---naughty, naughty.
So how you feeling, are the days dragging?
So work on Monday, yuck at least it will keep your mind busy with all those sums

Shantala - Dont you just hate dealing with mortgages, its a nightmare Hope you get everything sorted out soon. Are your headaches any better? The only side affects i ever got were headaches, its crap, hugs to you, i completely empathise with you.

Gill - Happy Anniversary, be good Cant believe your off again on Thursday, its come around so fast. Lets hope ET comes around just as quickly for you

Becky - Well this 'so called summer' is truly turning out to be continually pj days. We just got back from town and i've got my trackies and slippers on already for the night ahead---pj's will on the agenda soon

JS - Thank goodness your ok. When is your next scan, will they give you one earlier so they can check out if your little embie has company and the others have developed

Jackie - Enjoy the Lakes, sound lovely, hope the weather improves for you

So have decided instead of putting on a brave face all the time, i am going to be honest with other people and say i'm feeling a bit low at the moment. Two of my work colleagues already asked and when i said the Dr wanted to sign me off work, they stopped texting and called me, which was nice. I just told them i didnt want to really talk about it but am struggling with things at the moment. I feel strange doing this though as i feel people will think you are just moaning---its just not in my nature as i usually just plod along. Knowing me i will only be able to do this for so long as people then start to ask questions and i dont want that----dont want them quizing me about if we are doing more treatment and when. Dont want this as it puts me in an difficult position

We went out to a BBQ last night, thankfully it was inside. The last few days have turned cold up here and i'm sick of it. I'm sure this weather isnt helping my moods I have decided to start my major healthy eating plan on Monday and maybe lose some weight before we go back to Big B. Am off all weekend with dh, we are going to chill together as the weather is rubbish. We thought about going to watch The Open tommorrow as its only 20 mins from our house but its going to rain all weekend, so thats off the agenda

If i missed anyone, sorry, i send my love. Have a good weekend

Love Jen x

[shantala]

morning ladies!!!!!

how are we all??? my god, the terrential (sp) rain in the UK is mad! everywhere is flooded and in our town they had to get the kids out of a school by boat! it's quite scary (but sort of funny too)....anyway, i hope nobody on here is seriously affected, when it affects homes i really feel for people! right, on to personals:

js - fantastic news about the heartbeat that you saw on the scan. but i'm a bit confused as to your subsequent messages. are you saying they saw 2 ADDITIONAL sacs to the one that had the heartbeat? when do you go back again?? hugs!

lara - hope you're having a good holiday (except the funeral bit of course, and hope that went ok - well as much as it can be ok, if you know what i mean). xx

gill - thanks hun, yes, not long at all now till i start stimms. sorry to hear you're not looking forward to IM....i can understand you're worried that they might find something else but if they do, then its better they find out now and if there's not (which there wont be, positive thinking!) then that will be another thing of your mind! xx

karia - hey hun, i'll be keeping everything crossed that your aug AF comes so it fits in with your holiday. it's awful, all this planning your whole life around IVF isnt it!

jenb - i know, 6 months is ridiculous, isnt it!? thanks hun, migraine much better, thank god! i hate them, they make you feel so c**p! but like you said, stimms soon (hopefully) and then i'll be feeling much better and growing lots of follies! think you're right in getting Big B to do everything rather than wait for the NHS. its all a money matter isnt it, and depends on your financialy situation. i also cant believe AF is playing you around like that! come on AF, sort yourself out! doing the jig for you:

aunty - ah bless you about having been slapped with the spotty stick. i have been at the moment and its just not nice, is it?! aaww, aunty, that comment to carolyn about the embies racing each other saying "i bet i can make an arm before you can" was so sweet! glad you have a heatwave too and its probably that rather than the horrible M word!!! i wish i was having sweats, we have the heating on!! lol. i read your post to jen and its so heartbreaking to hear things like that....and we all know how you feel and can so empathise!! we just had some french doors put in the front room and have had decking built outside (like a veranda) and also bought a small swinging hammock to go in the garden....i was sat in it the other day and thought will i be swinging my baby in this one day?? it makes me so sad, so i can really understand how you feel. we all can. and sometimes you just have to let it all out! hugs!!

carolyn - hey hun, good to hear from you. was thinking about you yesterday as we were in london (wembley, raynes park) and was wondering how far i am away from you. i was also thinking, one more week till you test (it is next saturday isnt it?). as with the water....you're not being a nag at all, you're quite right, i'm probably not drinking enough!! i have a litre bottle so i can measure what i drink but i've been terrible over the last few days. i try and drink 2 litres and i did for about 2 weeks when i started downregging but then like i said, this last week or so, i've been slacking big time. i have a litre ready now to drink so i shall drink that and at least another one!! promise! sorry, yes, haven't PMed you, forgot. will do that in a minute. anyway, think its a good idea to do some work from home where you can take it easy but it also takes your mind off things! hhmmm...may do that myself on my 2ww. hope you're ok.

jen1d - hey hun, i know, mortgages are a nightmare!! yes, headaches better thanks! thanks for sympathising with me, its the only real side effect too for me. and what a pain it is! anyway, not long till i start stimms and those will go then! yey! anywya, good on you for showing your feelings to others!!! we're all allowed to feel c**p and show it! definitely agree with you and was only saying to my mum today that the weather really doesnt help anybody....it makes everyone 10x more miserable!! let the sun out!!!! xxx

welshbugger - where are you hunny?? hope you're ok! xx

hi to everyone else that i've missed!!! angel, beachbaby, nimble, everyone else!!

as for me, cant believe i go in for my d/r check on tuesday....ive been sniffing for over 3 weeks now and its flown by!! then will get results on wednesday after 3pm and i really hope i'm D/Red, as ive had colds (although carolyn had colds and she was ok, thanks for reminding me!) and i keep sneezing all the time so keep taking it all again! then hopefull start stimms thursday.

work is really getting me down at the moment. as you all know, i started it 3 months ago, same place that i've worked at but different department. well, my boss was off on holiday for a couple of weeks so i had to make some decisions in her absence. she's come back and she seems really stressed (in all fairness to her we all know what its like coming back from holiday and we have some troubles at work with the programmes that we use, etc) but i just felt like there was an atmosphere all week. not sure if its something ive done or what... i rather she just said is there's a problem. anyway, the other thing is that it could just be me being paranoid and more emotional with these drugs and i'm reading into stuff thats not there. good thing is i have tuesday off all day so i'm not doing a full week next week, then the following week i have the thursday and the friday off and then the following week i have the whole week off as it's EC and ET. and depending on when in that week EC is, i may have some of the following week off too. so thats good.

anywya, had a consultation yesterday at st georges house clinic in raynes park in wimbledon (london) for our 3rd IVF. (yes, i hear you scream at me, i know i wont need it....but its nice to have a plan and a backup)....well, anyway, this clinic is all about natural IVF or mild IVF. natural IVF being where they take your one natural monthly egg and either do IVF or ICSI on this and then put it back. mild IVF is where they put you on the lowest dose to produce 2-7 eggs and then do IVF or ICSI with those. they do do "normal IVF" too but encourage the more natural approach. the consultant's name was Dr Geeta Nargund and she was the medical director there. she's been on tele and is known internationally. she seemed fantastic, very intelligent, diligent and she spoke a lot of sense. in our case she said that as i am ovulating regularly we would be candidates for natural IVF or mild IVF. she said we could try one natural cycle but bearing in mind we have to do ICSI and as i would only produce one egg there is a 20% chance that the egg may get damaged. so it would be a risk we would take. (having said that, with our first try we had 100% fertilisation rate on our 5 eggs). she then said that mild IVF would probably be better to get more eggs and therefore its not a "all win or all lose" situation. anyway, sorry i'm going on but thought i would let you all know about it. the clinic is very small but VERY friendly and we felt so at home there. the nurse and admin staff were lovely and Dr Nargund was very nice. oh, the other thing with natural and mild IVF is that its shorter as it fits in with your natural cycle (no downregging), its much cheaper (actually the clinic alltogether is cheaper..."normal" IVF is only £1990) and if it fails you dont have to wait to try again, you can go again straight after your BFN. so anyway, she said she would strongly hope that she doesnt ever need to see us again (so do i!) but that we could simply ring after our BFN and book in. i was pretty wowed, i must say, and she spoke a lot of sense!

sorry for my long "me" post, but felt i needed to let my frustrations about work out and needed to let you all know about this natural/mild IVF. there's a lot of positive research about this - oh, the other thing was that the first ever IVF baby (Louise whatever her name is) was born through natural IVF. and the reason they rate it so much is because your eggs your produce are more natural as they are less medicated and therefore naturally have less abnormalities. the other thing is that your lining is better as medication can affect the quality of your lining, which can cause implantation problems.

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