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Miracle08 wrote:Yes ladies...I was off yesterday. :shock:


Wishful!!!!!!!!! Look at you girl!!! Logging in while you are there!!!
What awesome news honey!!!!!!!!!!!! I am thrilled for you!!!! So you are doing the ET in April? Why do you have to start your meds now??
Everything is coming together love!!! I couldnt be happier!!!!!

Well, dont know if you ladies remember...but me and DH where supposed to go to dinner last night for our anniversary...a very posh place...I made reservations and everything. It was a big suprise. Well I told him about it that morning so he knew what time to be home. Well at his work they had a big water main break. So we couldnt go...Both of us were really bummed. It sucked big time. He didnt get home till 9:30 last night. :(
we will do it another time though. On a weekend. Ok ladies I must get some work done. Love to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Mir - hope you had good day off.. sorry anniversary did not pan out as expected - at least it is something to look forward to XX

Have started first lot of drugs already - first lot are to bring on Af and then get into same cycle as donor :D

Hope all ok - any news on your treatment ??

Hugs honey xxx
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ICSI GIRL wrote:TOP O' THE MORNIN' TO YA LADIES!!! (in my best irish accent!!!) no... i'm not irish.....and more importantly -- NO i can't speak those words with an irish accent :? it just sounded fun to say!!! :P
You crack me up Ang - mind you figures that company I work for would not give us days off if they did not have to !!

Hope you manage to get home in time for AI :lol: :lol:

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Renee - how are you - how was trip to clinic - is everything back to noraml now - well as normal as can be ?? -- thinking of you xxx

Angel - when are you back - seems like you have been gone for yonks!!!

Rachel - hope all is good and enjoying last few weeks before work xx

Shantala - how are you honey - long time no hear - hope them eveil people at work are not making life too difficult - hugs to Elianna xxx

Jayne - hope your ok and not working too hard - suppose you go to work for a rest now !! xx

Becky - as always - hugs and love xxx

Nothing much to report this end - just having mad indegestion and nausea from these tablets but clinic said its a normal reaction - joy :lol:

Catch you all later xxx
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Dearest Becky,

Sweetheart, you know we're here for you. We wouldn't be friends if we imposed an emotional deadline on you and expected you to magically switch to a positive emotional state when WE decide it's time. Lately, Angel's gone through a rough patch as well and we were all happy to have her around and have news, on the contrary! So it's really not about bringing the thread down, silly girlie! :D *HUGS*

However... I must say I both agree and disagree with some of the lovely ladies here. Although meds can help your mood, they are nothing but a band-aid. If you don't take care of the wound underneath, the moment you take the band-aid off, there are good chances that the would will still be there. Or, if it's healed, then you might be wounded again in the future, the same way or a different way, and it would be too bad if all you have in your toolbox is band-aids.

Anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs take an average of 4 to 6 weeks to have an impact on your mood. Take that into consideration. Becky my dear, you know what YOUR normal is; you don't have to ask us. You know. And you know how far from your normal state you are at this moment. Another good judge might be your husband, or someone who's close to you. Irritability, insomnia/hypersomnia, loss/increase of appetite, troubles concentrating, fatigue, loss of interest, sadness/crying are all important red flags you should watch for. While it's absolutely normal to take time to recover from a traumatic event like a miscarriage, staying in a state of psychological distress is not in your best interest, or in the best interest of those around you.

There are good, valid, emotional and logical reasons to the pain you're feeling right now. Meds won't teach you how to deal with that in a way that helps the healing process and make you stronger for the future. They will just numb the pain for a while, give you a break. If you seek exactly that, then by all means, go for it. If you think you might need a more complete approach, then I can't recommend seeking the help of a cognitive-behavioral psychologist (and they abound in your country!). If you think you've got all the help you need right now and don't feel the need for more, then it's fine too. There's a good timing for everything, and you must follow your instinct and natural rhythm. You're the best judge, Becky, and I trust your judgement very much. *HUGS* Above all, know that I'm sending you lots of warm thoughts.

Sophie xxox
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Good evening ladies,

Sorry I've been MIA; work has been busy and I've been out of the office more often than not! Lots of interesting posts in the last few days!!! Geez, I hope I don't miss important points in my personals...

Renee,
Like the others, I hope the shots go well and that you can avoid another round of IVF! Oh, and about your MIL, well, glad I could help! I hope you guys recover from the shock quickly... pfff what a situation!!!

Lee,
HOW EXCITING that we have dates for your FET!!!! WOOOHOO! Lots of ladies making attempts, it's great! I hope we have lots of 2009-2010 babies to look forward to! ;) March will be a big month guys!!! I'm glad that you feel reassured by all the tests. Indeed, it feels SO much better when you make another attempt and you know your doc has taken all the particularities of your case into consideration before making medical decisions, adapting the protocol and so on. Let us know the results, if you want. Oh, and of course, I can't help but join the chorus! I, too, really admire what you guys are doing for those kids. I absolutely couldn't imagine getting emotionally attached to a kid and letting him/her go after a few months... ouchie!!! But what you're doing for them makes a HUGE difference, and kudos to you for that! :D

Angie in her jammies!
How are you doing girlie? Though start this week too? Geez, still a few weeks before your crazy rush ends... working during the weekend???? ARE YOU CRAZY? Oh geez, I hope they pay you GOOD money for this, and I MEAN REAL GOOD! How is DH doing? Oh, and you meanie, you laugh about my cheezes! For your information, the boursin was good, although I'll make it with less thyme and more garlic next time, and I eat the almond cream cheez every morning on English muffins with strawberry jam that I made this summer! HA! And if you were nicer, I'd send you some of that jam, but given that you're laughing at me... ;););)

Carolyn,
SO NICE to see that the good mood is sticking around! Eek about the side effects of the meds though... ooooooh, how I sympathise with you, if you only knew!!! At least you can take stuff to help you with it, right? Like Pepto Bismol or something? Not sure you have that in the UK, but well... works wonders for me! :D

Miracle,
Hi sweetie! Bummer about the posh dinner!!! :(:(:( I hope you guys will have a chance to just postpone it??? Thanks for asking about my furbabies... I'm really glad that you found good food for Mollie and Charlie! Are they done eating their Xmas cookies yet! ;) LOL I guess they were gone in a blink! As for my furbabies, well... things are not so great. I thought I had figured out what made them anxious, given that the bad behavior had stopped after we let them sleep in our bedroom at night. Well, today it started all over again, and worse. DH forgot a tea towel on the table, and it's gone; no trace. Probably Daria who ate it. Someone, Toulouse I bet, munched on the gyproc around the hall's doorframe... and while munching, pulled on the paper and the paint came with it. About 1 feet x 2 feet is damaged. We'll have to redo the paint. I was flabbergasted. Seriously, I sat at the table for 30 minutes, in silence, waiting for DH to come back home, I felt overwhelmed. It's really bad, not knowing what's wrong, and not knowing what you can do to help them. So DH and I decided that we'd lock them in the guest bedroom in the basement while we're away. We did that for Daria at the very beginning, for the same reason. And after many months, we started letting her alone in the house and, gradually, we saw that she was a good girl again. I hope the same thing happens, but let's face it, we'll probably have to keep them locked until April 3rd (when I start my maternity leave). It breaks my heart, but it's necessary. In the meantime, we'll probably call our trainer again, and I'll check with my best friend to see what Cesar Millan's book says about this. ;)

As for my mother, well... she's a psychiatrist, so she's had solid medical training. She's been really involved these past years, as a doctor and as a catholic orthdox, in bio-ethics. She's published many editorials in that field, and given speeches too. So, alas, her assumptions are everything but uneducated. When we do IVF, we do produce more embryos than we really need. We do have to destroy some of them in the process, for all kinds of reasons. Some clinics, and clinics in the USA have that reputation, tend to over-stimulate their patients and produce way too many embryos. No matter what our faith is, we all deal with those facts differently. I think it's easy to judge when you've never been faced with infertility yourself.

I also think that, no matter how skilled scientists are, no matter the field, there always remains a part of sacred mystery that even they can't control. Einstein himself said that, the more he understood and discovered about the Universe, the more convinced he was there there was a God. He also said, "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." The same applies to IVF. To me, it doesn't really matter if bunches of cells -embryos- are created artificially or naturally. The spark of Life, which is sacred, mystic and undescribable, still can't be created artificially. And that point is so often missed in the religion-based discussions about IVF...

Okay... time to go to bed I guess! See you around ladies!

Hugs,

Sophie xxox
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soph ----- WOW girl......i sometimes get worn out by the time i'm done w/ your reads!!!! :shock: NO OFFENSE.....and NOT because they're long --- they just make me feel "unworthy" of all the nonsense blabbing that i carry on about!!!!!! :roll: and by the way -- i'll take some of that homemade strawberry jam!!!! YUMMY!!!! one of my alltime fav's!! in fact - i bring a pnut butter & STRAWBERRY jelly/jam sandwich w/ me EVERY day for my lunch!!! so there -- i could think of you daily as i gobbled down my samwich!!! :wink:

carolyn --- i can SO hear the excitement in your reads again!!! i absolutely LOVE that momentum!!! PMA-PMA-PMA!!!!!

oh angel --- you must be back by now??????? did you have a fab time??

mir --- bummer dude on not getting to go out for anniversary celebration.... HOPEFULLY - i've taught you well young grasshopper (didn't yoda say that??? ha, ha!!) -- and you graciously offered some BCABB action in lieu of fancy-schmancy dinner!!! (and i just bet that ALL of our dh's would rather have that anyway!! :wink: )

lets see....what else......oh yes, been meanin' to give a shout out to all our mummies out there!!!! hope all is well you and babies :P and as i read carolyn's post -- reminded me that i'd been wondering about shantala --- how did things turn out w/ work stuff???? last we heard from ya -- they were being nasty turds about your return....???

beck --- i know that sophie said it all MUCH more clinically than i..... but i still wanted to babble a moment about you needing to do what's best for YOU right now.....there was a time in my life when i took some anti-depressants (during my divorce) and it provided me EXACTLY what i needed during that time -- just kinda took away the severe highs/lows of my emotional state and evened things out a bit.....DEFINATELY a god send during that period of my life.....and they weren't at all habit forming -- had no probs at all when i was ready to just "stop".....life was GOOD AGAIN!!! :wink: ((((((BIG HUGS TO YA SWEETIE))))))))

ok ladies....must get the ball rolling at work this morning!!! just found out that i'll need to take friday off cuz my step-grandfather passed away yesterday and funeral service will be on friday.....while i wasn't all that "close" w/ him --- i still need to pay my respects to my dad and step mum....so now i must (somehow) cram THREE days of work (wed, thurs, fri) into TWO!!!!! :shock: oh well -- i planned to work this weekend some more/again anyway!!!

ta-ta-for-now!!! love & hugs to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-) Angie
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Good morning ladies. I will give warning this may be a selfish post.
I am feeling also, very down. This is the first time in a year I haven't been on either birth control pills, clomid, injectables, you name it...and we are 3 weeks out of the loss.....all I want to do is cry. My husband says he is ready to send me to the looney bin, no lie. I told him I think this is normal and my body is just adjusting and I am going through a lot. It feels tough to get out of bed in the morning and what is worse, I feel short with my ds. I love him to pieces, he is about to hit the terrible twos, well I think he has hit the terrible twos (and I feel bad complaining about that when so many of you are trying for number 1 so forgive me and dont think I am selfish and ungrateful b/c I am and love him to death)....anyway, he is naughty, just regular two year old naughty but my nerves feel shot...I guess that is it. Then I feel sorry for myself, he is obsessed with babies and runs around asking for babies all day and then I go back to thinking I cant even give him a sibling. Some moments I feel totally normal and some moments I feel like I want to crawl in a hole. My mil gossip crap, my dh being a man, etc. I am going back to work on Friday and I am nervous for that also, will start working 2 days a week again for the next two months. I dont know, I am rambling and just complaining but maybe this will make me feel better. Keeping it in sure isnt doing me any good.
I havent gone to get my last bloods drawn, it is cold and I am tired and dont feel like making the 50 minute each way trip for bloodwork and I have to leave at 6am so I can be back for dh to get to work. I will try for tomorrow again.
Thanks for listening.. Needed to get that junk out of me and try to enjoy today.
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ICSI GIRL wrote:soph ----- WOW girl......i sometimes get worn out by the time i'm done w/ your reads!!!! :shock: NO OFFENSE.....and NOT because they're long --- they just make me feel "unworthy" of all the nonsense blabbing that i carry on about!!!!!! :roll:
Ooooooooh come ON! :oops: :oops: I don't know what was into me yesterday, I guess I was tired and more introspective! :shock: :shock: I forbid you to feel unworthy, for two good reasons. A), don't forget the "monkey butt" aspect of certain posts and B), your posts are such a ray of sunshine that they inevitably re-energize me each and every time!

I love ya girl,

Sophie xxox
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Renee,

oops, cross-posts. Some days, the sucky aspects of your life just seem to hit you all at the same time... :( Sorry about that luv... *HUGS* Maybe you're already posting there, but there is a whole section on this forum where people who've been through miscarriage can post and talk about their experience. Don't interpret this the wrong way, we still want you here by all means, heck I'd miss your posts!!!!! But sometimes it really helps to talk with people who are going through the same struggle at the same time you are. I sure wish I'd had the idea to post there when I miscarried last year. Just a thought.

Take care sweetie,

Sophie xxox
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just crashing in to say to

Beckster that i am so so sorry you have had to go through this babe....I know only too well how you feel and th pain you must be going through with Brian too. Nothig i can say will take the pain away but i wanted you to know i am thinking of you both x x x x

Hugs and much love
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Hello everyone

Thank you all for admiring us for having all these children in and out, thing is I have been doing fostering for 18 years, a loooong time nearly half my life, long before I started my IVF journey and I have met some amazing kids who have changed my life as well as us making a change for them in their lives as well. I also have an amazing group of people who support me and DH made up of friends, other foster carers and a social worker or 2. In answer to your question Carolyn yes social services who we work with are aware of us doing IVF, and have been very supportive during times when I have needed it, hense us not having younger children at the moment. I can say yes or no to placements depending on whats going on with us and depending on what other children we have in placement at the time, the kids have to gel with each other, they have to live with each other.
I have accounts at all the clothes shops and toy shops they love it when they see me walk in their doors!!! :lol: Only joking, I do so loooove the shopping that goes with a child when they first arrive tho, can't help myself, DH always complains when we have to find boxes every time they move on and a van to move them!!! :roll: :roll:

Anyway enough of that, in our borough Carolyn we have to wait for a year before we can apply to adopt after IVF treatment, but because we are all ready in the system and known by social services I don't know whether that will make a difference for us as the team who would assess us are the same as the fostering team who we work with all ready? I havent asked yet, I kind of change my goal posts with this whole process as things change for us and do things one at a time, Thinking back a couple of years ago I couldn't even contemplate using donor eggs when it was first mentioned by my consultant and here I am on my second try!!! :o :o

So how are you feeling Carolyn with your tablets any better? When are you back home? It has warmed up here now just lots of rain again!!

Miracle - Yes I am excited, and nervous all at the same time, more nervous coz I was thinking I still have four more chances but this may be our last try if my other 2 embies do not survive. I know I keep on saying I need this to end now and I do mean it as well, but it is kinda scary as I always thought I would have a child and I am possibly on my final go, and if it doesn't work I will have to move on with my life in a way that at the moment I can't yet imagine. :?: :?
I am so sorry you missed your anniversay dinner, did you make up for it at home???!!?? :wink: :wink:

Sophie where do you find all the time to do all that homemade stuff?? I remember my mum making jam when I was little and to me it seemed like it took hours and hours!!! :shock: Sorry to hear about your furbabies, are they still puppies?

Angie- sorry to hear your news, hope the funeral is not too hard. Judging by the amount of energy you are able to put across in your posts I am sure you will successfully be able to cram 3 days into 2!!!
I have a good laugh when I read your posts, the words feel like they are jumping off the page at times!! :o

Renee - sorry you are feeling so bad today, It always helps to talk, I hope by you talking on here it has helped you get through the day.

Hello to Becky, Angel and Jayne, I have just realised you are beachbaby who gave me the advice to get my bloods checked, :)

Take Care
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Lee
I want you to know that I think you are amazing!!!!
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Hi Ladies...

Boy it is quiet on here lately...

Sophie, I hope I didnt offend you. I seriously wasnt trying to. I know your mother is very educated...I just meant uneducated in the sense as she has no clue how it is to be told you need ART to even try to have a baby.

Anyway, how are you feeling lately? I am so sorry about your doggies. Mollie is in her crate whenever I leave the house. I feel bad but I rather her go in the crate then get mad at her every time I come home. Dont beat yourself up Soph! Some dogs just get antsy...or even bored.

Awww Renee...I am so sorry honey. M/C is a tough tough thing. Before I was married, I get pg (my b/f for five years) and I miscarried before I even had a chance to even grasp the fact I was preggo and that I didnt know if I was going to have it, give it up for adoption, or even an abortion. I was 6.5 weeks. And for something I thought I didnt want or that I didnt need at the time, it was devasting. To this day, I still think of that baby...of course I think of the what ifs...but I also know that it wasnt meant to be. Dont worry about venting. I dont feel as though you are selfish...not one bit. You want another baby. You suffered a tragic loss. Your time will come lovey. keep the faith honey. I know what you mean about DH's!! Sometimes when i get on a roll about tmt and babies, DH gets irritated with me too. He tries, he really does. I can tell when I am starting to irritate him. Then it hurts my feelings... :roll: Anyway..take it easy. You and Becky cant be too hard on yourselves!!!

Thinking of you Becky dear!!!

Hiya Angie!! Working tooo hard I see! Me too... :shock:

Angel...come on come one...we are waiting here!!!!! We miss you tons. :(

Wishful...are you back home yet?

Hello to all of our Mommies...

Shantala...like Angie said...how is the work thing going?

Beach...how are the boys?

Nims...how is your sweet son doing?

OK...it has taken me 2 hours to finish this. I better get this posted before I get to go home!!! LOVE to all... :D :D :D :D
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Darn...I forgot a couple of things...

Angie...so sorry to hear about your step grandfather. Even if you two werent the closet it will be hard seeing the people you love hurt. I will be thinking of you!!!!

Hi lee!! Dont worry, this is your time honey!!!! I can understand your worries though. I am sure it is very scary. Your embies will be great. I have great faith in them... :wink: Yes, we had a nice time at home. I went and got Chinese food and had it all set up so when he got home I told him to go get a nice hot bath, as he was soaked and freezing out, and we had a nice dinner together. He was so tired, poor baby. We made up for it last night though...hee hee... :oops: :wink:
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Hiya

Quick post before bed had manic day at work :twisted:

Rennee - sending you big hugs .. sorry youa re feeling so low but hope that writing down how you feel and sharing it all with us is helping the healing process a tiny bit ((())) x

Lee - you are awesome - I so admire your dedication. Focus on the positive the defrost will be fine and you won't need the other two as this will be your BFP xxx

Sophie - yes we have pepto bismol here - it is brilliant stuff - once you get past the smell !! - its a medicine cabinet must!! Hope your keeping well and blooming - we need to see pictures of your huge belly !!!!

Mir - working too hard again !! - have you re planned a date for your dinner?

Angie - hope the funeral goes ok - thining of you as even if you were not close its still quite an emotional time ((())) xx

Becky - ((())) htinking of you xxxx

Angel - hoping your having a fab time - not sure when you are back ???

off to bed to watch Celeb BB - catch you all tomorrow xx
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