Albany07
The number of cells sound great! My clinic says they should be 8 cells on day 3 so congrats to you! Sounds like you will be one BFP in 2 weeks! Congrats!
NOV/DEC 2009 -- Cycle Group
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justwannabamom
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ashleyncsu77
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Hi ladies - as usual I am stuck at work and swamped.
But.....I wanted to share the crappy news I got today. In the grand scheme of things it's not so bad but not at all what I was expecting.
I know that most of you are doing "normal" ivf without PGD. I have a chromosomal translocation so one of my 14 chromosomes is permanently stuck to a 21. When we went for our initial RE consult the doctor explained that with PGD they go in at either day 3 or day 5 after retrieval and take one cell out and send to the genetics lab for testing. He also explained that he felt that given our situation the day 5 biopsy would be best. The downside is that because they would be removing the cells on day 5 they would have to freeze the embryos until the results are in.
So....because this is my first time to IVF or PGD, I thought that they would remove the cells day 5, test them (take a couple of days) and transfer back around day 7 or 8. This is what both me and my DH thought and were never told differently.
Today I called the genetics lab just to ask some basic questions about PGD and the counselor said "we will get the cells on day 6 and then take some time to test. Then your embryos will be transferred about a month later". I almost flew through the roof. WTF??????? So I immediately left a message for my RE nurse.
She called back and confirmed that because day 5 is the last day they can transfer, I have to do the ER and then wait for AF to come and THEN do a FET protocol which is about 6 weeks. This now means my transfer probably won't be until January. And that's ONLY if any of my embryos are "normal".
Luckily I was in an office where no one could see me because I was in tears. I know you all can understand - it's been over a year, three miscarriages, and now more time tacked on. Not only that but I have to do the whole FET protocol which means more shots, etc.
As I said I know it's not the end of the world but I honestly planned to know my results before Christmas. I just don't understand how the RE could have left out that key piece of information. I wouldn't have even known to ask.
Sorry for the rant.......not the greatest Friday ever.
But.....I wanted to share the crappy news I got today. In the grand scheme of things it's not so bad but not at all what I was expecting.
I know that most of you are doing "normal" ivf without PGD. I have a chromosomal translocation so one of my 14 chromosomes is permanently stuck to a 21. When we went for our initial RE consult the doctor explained that with PGD they go in at either day 3 or day 5 after retrieval and take one cell out and send to the genetics lab for testing. He also explained that he felt that given our situation the day 5 biopsy would be best. The downside is that because they would be removing the cells on day 5 they would have to freeze the embryos until the results are in.
So....because this is my first time to IVF or PGD, I thought that they would remove the cells day 5, test them (take a couple of days) and transfer back around day 7 or 8. This is what both me and my DH thought and were never told differently.
Today I called the genetics lab just to ask some basic questions about PGD and the counselor said "we will get the cells on day 6 and then take some time to test. Then your embryos will be transferred about a month later". I almost flew through the roof. WTF??????? So I immediately left a message for my RE nurse.
She called back and confirmed that because day 5 is the last day they can transfer, I have to do the ER and then wait for AF to come and THEN do a FET protocol which is about 6 weeks. This now means my transfer probably won't be until January. And that's ONLY if any of my embryos are "normal".
Luckily I was in an office where no one could see me because I was in tears. I know you all can understand - it's been over a year, three miscarriages, and now more time tacked on. Not only that but I have to do the whole FET protocol which means more shots, etc.
As I said I know it's not the end of the world but I honestly planned to know my results before Christmas. I just don't understand how the RE could have left out that key piece of information. I wouldn't have even known to ask.
Sorry for the rant.......not the greatest Friday ever.
ashleyncsu77: So sorry that you got such frustrating news. You would think with everything we have going on, they would at least try to make our lives easier!
One thing I wanted to let you know is that I'm doing FET in December, and there are no shots! I'm doing BCPs now, and then a couple of weeks before the transfer I do Vivelle patches (3/day, changed every two days), and then after transfer I keep up with the Vivelle patches and add Endometrin suppositories. They're not the most comfortable things to keep up with, but the no shots is a wonderful thing!
Best of luck to you!
One thing I wanted to let you know is that I'm doing FET in December, and there are no shots! I'm doing BCPs now, and then a couple of weeks before the transfer I do Vivelle patches (3/day, changed every two days), and then after transfer I keep up with the Vivelle patches and add Endometrin suppositories. They're not the most comfortable things to keep up with, but the no shots is a wonderful thing!
Best of luck to you!
Me: 29
DH: 32, Male Factor
4 Failed IUI
IVF #1 - BFN
FET #1 - BFP!!! DD born Sept 2010
IVF #2 - Chemical
Next: Work on improving DH and my fertility while saving up for next round. Why does something that we want so badly have to also be so expensive?
DH: 32, Male Factor
4 Failed IUI
IVF #1 - BFN
FET #1 - BFP!!! DD born Sept 2010
IVF #2 - Chemical
Next: Work on improving DH and my fertility while saving up for next round. Why does something that we want so badly have to also be so expensive?
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ashleyncsu77
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BRMommy2B - thanks for the info. Interestingly, when I talked to the RE nurse she said that I would be doing an FET protocol which would include Lupron and Estrogen patches. But given what has happened I will be asking A LOT of questions.
One other thing I am concerned about (now that I can't concentrate on anything else) is the issue with thawing embryos. There is a very good chance that even if we get a lot of "good" embryos that make it to day 5, we may have VERY few that have good chromosomes. Does freezing really cause what might be good fresh embryos to then not be good?
Our odds are so low because of my translocation - I'm just very worried.
One other thing I am concerned about (now that I can't concentrate on anything else) is the issue with thawing embryos. There is a very good chance that even if we get a lot of "good" embryos that make it to day 5, we may have VERY few that have good chromosomes. Does freezing really cause what might be good fresh embryos to then not be good?
Our odds are so low because of my translocation - I'm just very worried.
amysbabies: There is a risk that they won't survive the thawing process. The RE says it's between 10-30% chance they won't survive. I'm banking on it working because I only have one little frostie!
Me: 29
DH: 32, Male Factor
4 Failed IUI
IVF #1 - BFN
FET #1 - BFP!!! DD born Sept 2010
IVF #2 - Chemical
Next: Work on improving DH and my fertility while saving up for next round. Why does something that we want so badly have to also be so expensive?
DH: 32, Male Factor
4 Failed IUI
IVF #1 - BFN
FET #1 - BFP!!! DD born Sept 2010
IVF #2 - Chemical
Next: Work on improving DH and my fertility while saving up for next round. Why does something that we want so badly have to also be so expensive?
Stim Complications
Hello Ladies I'm late joining thread. However I need help I'm scheduled to have ER 11/25 which won't happen stims will not work. Please Please give me so advice..
So I went in for u/s today. Day 7 of stims follistim 300mg/menopur 150. RE stated my ovaries are quiet and only 3 follicles on one side none on other. I have to go back again Sunday. Anyone have suggestions on what I can do in the meantime to increase my chances. Maybe Acupuncture? Geez I'm so stressed out.
Thanks in advance Confused
Me-32-----blocked tubes/fibroids
DH-32----Perfect
So I went in for u/s today. Day 7 of stims follistim 300mg/menopur 150. RE stated my ovaries are quiet and only 3 follicles on one side none on other. I have to go back again Sunday. Anyone have suggestions on what I can do in the meantime to increase my chances. Maybe Acupuncture? Geez I'm so stressed out.
Thanks in advance Confused
Me-32-----blocked tubes/fibroids
DH-32----Perfect
I think someone started an "IVF Faith and coping thread"... I think it's a great idea!!! Some people on this NOV/DEC thread may benefit from (including me).
Sometimes when we get thrown in and lost in the great big world of IVF, we loose ourselves and our faith. It may be an interesting concept to see how others stay grounded, are reminded and keep the faith after being kicked down the ivf path. We all know, it's not an easy road. I know, I have kicked, cryed, studied, spent $1,000's on acupuncture etc. It took 3 years (Full Time Baby Making Years) to realize there is nothing I will do to change the outcome of what will be. It's just not in our hands...
Lay back, take it easy and enjoy the ride...
Sometimes when we get thrown in and lost in the great big world of IVF, we loose ourselves and our faith. It may be an interesting concept to see how others stay grounded, are reminded and keep the faith after being kicked down the ivf path. We all know, it's not an easy road. I know, I have kicked, cryed, studied, spent $1,000's on acupuncture etc. It took 3 years (Full Time Baby Making Years) to realize there is nothing I will do to change the outcome of what will be. It's just not in our hands...
Lay back, take it easy and enjoy the ride...
Me 33
DH 32 low count and motility
TTC 3 years
IVF#3 - Nov '09 BFP!
Maren Laurel 20 inches 6 lbs 7oz
DH 32 low count and motility
TTC 3 years
IVF#3 - Nov '09 BFP!
Maren Laurel 20 inches 6 lbs 7oz
ashleyncsu77: Sorry for the frustrating situation! The IVF is really like a roller coaster and not all the things under our control. I know what you mean exactly when you are so nice and planned to have BFP as a Christmas gift to your family.
albany07: congrats to your official PUPO!
BRMommy2B: fingers crossing for your christmas present!
turtle0619: glad to hear your neck is getting better! and the roof is getting cheaper to fix!
bethanyneedsluck: glad to know your ER will be 11/25! yay!
Riley baby maybe: Sorry for the long wait! I think 11/16, 12/09, and 12/01 are mock cycle only. I had done 3 mock cycles in this year before I finally have the IVF cycle now. the 1st mock cycle was screwed up by a clinic. the 2nd one was accomplished at the other clinic but the RE could not approve any donor to me. Finally, i found the 3rd clinic where I found the right donor and the RE approved her. The RE would like to do another mock cycle for me even I passed at another clinic. He wanted to make sure so that it wouldn't impact his successful rate. For starting Lupron on 12/21 and cd afterwards, I think the clinic wanted to schedule all the procedures doing on a certain day, that's why you have to wait for a while. At least it happens to my clinic. My clinic had ER and ER procedures all day long yesterday and day before.
karen: sounds like there's some hope! fingers crossing for you! Have a good Friday as well!
sarah_ruth79: this is my first IVF too since 2003. My last IVF in 2002 was cancelled because of no response.
AFM, RE called me this morning telling me that the 7th mature egg finally fertilized as well. Among the 7, 3 has 4 cells and 4 has 2 cells. It's not 48 hours yet. He told us that he'd call us tonight.
albany07: congrats to your official PUPO!
BRMommy2B: fingers crossing for your christmas present!
turtle0619: glad to hear your neck is getting better! and the roof is getting cheaper to fix!
bethanyneedsluck: glad to know your ER will be 11/25! yay!
Riley baby maybe: Sorry for the long wait! I think 11/16, 12/09, and 12/01 are mock cycle only. I had done 3 mock cycles in this year before I finally have the IVF cycle now. the 1st mock cycle was screwed up by a clinic. the 2nd one was accomplished at the other clinic but the RE could not approve any donor to me. Finally, i found the 3rd clinic where I found the right donor and the RE approved her. The RE would like to do another mock cycle for me even I passed at another clinic. He wanted to make sure so that it wouldn't impact his successful rate. For starting Lupron on 12/21 and cd afterwards, I think the clinic wanted to schedule all the procedures doing on a certain day, that's why you have to wait for a while. At least it happens to my clinic. My clinic had ER and ER procedures all day long yesterday and day before.
karen: sounds like there's some hope! fingers crossing for you! Have a good Friday as well!
sarah_ruth79: this is my first IVF too since 2003. My last IVF in 2002 was cancelled because of no response.
AFM, RE called me this morning telling me that the 7th mature egg finally fertilized as well. Among the 7, 3 has 4 cells and 4 has 2 cells. It's not 48 hours yet. He told us that he'd call us tonight.
me 44, dh 57
ttc 15 years
low ovarian reserve, high FSH, male factor
5 IUI (<2002) BFN
#1 IVF - cancelled no response (2003)
2 missed m/c from natural pregnancies (2004)
#1 DE-IVF (11/23/2009) BFN
#2 DE-IVF (05/15/2010) m/c (blighted ovum) on 06/24/10
ttc 15 years
low ovarian reserve, high FSH, male factor
5 IUI (<2002) BFN
#1 IVF - cancelled no response (2003)
2 missed m/c from natural pregnancies (2004)
#1 DE-IVF (11/23/2009) BFN
#2 DE-IVF (05/15/2010) m/c (blighted ovum) on 06/24/10
well said!albany07 wrote:I think someone started an "IVF Faith and coping thread"... I think it's a great idea!!! Some people on this NOV/DEC thread may benefit from (including me).
Sometimes when we get thrown in and lost in the great big world of IVF, we loose ourselves and our faith. It may be an interesting concept to see how others stay grounded, are reminded and keep the faith after being kicked down the ivf path. We all know, it's not an easy road. I know, I have kicked, cryed, studied, spent $1,000's on acupuncture etc. It took 3 years (Full Time Baby Making Years) to realize there is nothing I will do to change the outcome of what will be. It's just not in our hands...
Lay back, take it easy and enjoy the ride...
my DH and parents are yelling at me for having such a grim out look...lol
i keep telling them im setting the bar LOW and that way the disapointment wont be that hard...lol
there is no right way to think when it comes to IVF!!
ME:33 DH:31
IVF # 1 Nov 09 - Twins!
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IVF # 1 Nov 09 - Twins!
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albany07: I totally agree with you. the roller coaster drives people ups and downs. but it's not our fault. it's just not in our hands.albany07 wrote:I think someone started an "IVF Faith and coping thread"... I think it's a great idea!!! Some people on this NOV/DEC thread may benefit from (including me).
Sometimes when we get thrown in and lost in the great big world of IVF, we loose ourselves and our faith. It may be an interesting concept to see how others stay grounded, are reminded and keep the faith after being kicked down the ivf path. We all know, it's not an easy road. I know, I have kicked, cryed, studied, spent $1,000's on acupuncture etc. It took 3 years (Full Time Baby Making Years) to realize there is nothing I will do to change the outcome of what will be. It's just not in our hands...
Lay back, take it easy and enjoy the ride...
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sarah_ruth79
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ashley- i am so sorry to hear about the extra wait. i totally understand, each day feels so long so hearing that any time is added on is a crushing blow. just think that they use that time to test and pick the most viable embies and once you know that your chances will be so good! i think it is a little different from us, doing pgd for CF gene and not for chromosomal issue. however, i do want to share that two girlfriends of mine from work BOTH had had many issues, had been diagnosed with chromosomal imbalances, used genesis genetics and BOTH have beautiful baby girls now after one round of ivf with pgd, so there is hope...lots of it, even if it takes a little extra time to pick the very best emb.
praying for a peaceful weekend for everyone here, we all deserve it.
afm- i got the call and i start stims on saturday, gonal F and I am decreasing my lupron. have my first u/s monitoring appt on weds, so i guess it is wait and see until then. any idea what are good numbers for day 4 of stims?
praying for a peaceful weekend for everyone here, we all deserve it.
afm- i got the call and i start stims on saturday, gonal F and I am decreasing my lupron. have my first u/s monitoring appt on weds, so i guess it is wait and see until then. any idea what are good numbers for day 4 of stims?
Well I found out today that of the 4 eggs collected, only two were mature. So they did icsi on them and only one fertilized. The other two matured over night, so they did icsi on them today. I'll find out tomorrow if any of those fertilized. If they do, and they are growing well, I may have transfer on Monday with possible day 3 and day 4 embryos. I just don't know what to think about this.
congrats albany on being pupo, it sounds like you've got some good embies.
congrats albany on being pupo, it sounds like you've got some good embies.
Me 38 DH 38
3 IUIs
1st IVF w/ ICSI June/July '07 BFP!!!
2nd IVF w/ ICSI Nov '09 BFN
3rd IVF w/ ICSI Feb '10 BFP!!!
3 IUIs
1st IVF w/ ICSI June/July '07 BFP!!!
2nd IVF w/ ICSI Nov '09 BFN
3rd IVF w/ ICSI Feb '10 BFP!!!
good! we might have the same day transfer!kerribell wrote:Well I found out today that of the 4 eggs collected, only two were mature. So they did icsi on them and only one fertilized. The other two matured over night, so they did icsi on them today. I'll find out tomorrow if any of those fertilized. If they do, and they are growing well, I may have transfer on Monday with possible day 3 and day 4 embryos. I just don't know what to think about this.
congrats albany on being pupo, it sounds like you've got some good embies.
me 44, dh 57
ttc 15 years
low ovarian reserve, high FSH, male factor
5 IUI (<2002) BFN
#1 IVF - cancelled no response (2003)
2 missed m/c from natural pregnancies (2004)
#1 DE-IVF (11/23/2009) BFN
#2 DE-IVF (05/15/2010) m/c (blighted ovum) on 06/24/10
ttc 15 years
low ovarian reserve, high FSH, male factor
5 IUI (<2002) BFN
#1 IVF - cancelled no response (2003)
2 missed m/c from natural pregnancies (2004)
#1 DE-IVF (11/23/2009) BFN
#2 DE-IVF (05/15/2010) m/c (blighted ovum) on 06/24/10
karenthescorpio - sorry about your first beta, i was so hoping you would be BFP. hope you & DH are holding up ok & enjoy your glass of wine 
ashley – I can’t believe the clinic would not make the schedule clearer to you from the beginning, they should know better and they should not have put you through that today (and they really should not mess with a woman full of hormones!). that extra wait really sucks… i had read that the survival rate for frozen embryo was 70%, but our RE said that the 70% rate was for embryos frozen on day 3, and that blast almost have a 100% thaw rate, so you should be ok if yours are all frozen on day 5. i am on the same protocol as brmommy2b for FET - BCP, then estrace 3x/ day (i can't do vivelle patch b/c I am allergic to adhesives) and then lovely endometrin after the transfer, but NO SHOTS. i think the lupron shot would be to make extra sure you don't ovulate - the way i understand it for FET they use your natural cycle, and if you ovulate mid-cycle they have to cancel everything and start again the following month. my RE told me that they have never seen a patient ovulate while being on so much estrogen, that ovaries are normally very quiet on that protocol, but there is still a slight risk of ovulating, and you would pretty much get rid of that risk with lupron added to the protocol.
everyone PUPO – congrats & hope you are keeping your sanity!!!
afm - was supposed to stop BCP next week and start estrogen after AF, but i have been spotting so much i got worried AF would never show and that my RE would be too busy eating turkey next week to tell me what to do next, so I asked to go in for an U/s to check my lining and indeed - there is no lining left, so probably no AF... I’ll start estrogen on 11/28, with or without AF. I am so relireved they could get me in today so we could iron this out… At times I feel like the toughest part of IVF are not the ups & downs, it’s the fact that we go through that rollercoaster in the dark and can’t even see the next turns coming… someone pls turn the light on!
have a great weekend everyone, and baby dust to you all!
ashley – I can’t believe the clinic would not make the schedule clearer to you from the beginning, they should know better and they should not have put you through that today (and they really should not mess with a woman full of hormones!). that extra wait really sucks… i had read that the survival rate for frozen embryo was 70%, but our RE said that the 70% rate was for embryos frozen on day 3, and that blast almost have a 100% thaw rate, so you should be ok if yours are all frozen on day 5. i am on the same protocol as brmommy2b for FET - BCP, then estrace 3x/ day (i can't do vivelle patch b/c I am allergic to adhesives) and then lovely endometrin after the transfer, but NO SHOTS. i think the lupron shot would be to make extra sure you don't ovulate - the way i understand it for FET they use your natural cycle, and if you ovulate mid-cycle they have to cancel everything and start again the following month. my RE told me that they have never seen a patient ovulate while being on so much estrogen, that ovaries are normally very quiet on that protocol, but there is still a slight risk of ovulating, and you would pretty much get rid of that risk with lupron added to the protocol.
everyone PUPO – congrats & hope you are keeping your sanity!!!
afm - was supposed to stop BCP next week and start estrogen after AF, but i have been spotting so much i got worried AF would never show and that my RE would be too busy eating turkey next week to tell me what to do next, so I asked to go in for an U/s to check my lining and indeed - there is no lining left, so probably no AF... I’ll start estrogen on 11/28, with or without AF. I am so relireved they could get me in today so we could iron this out… At times I feel like the toughest part of IVF are not the ups & downs, it’s the fact that we go through that rollercoaster in the dark and can’t even see the next turns coming… someone pls turn the light on!
have a great weekend everyone, and baby dust to you all!
Me: 31, DH: 39, low sperm count, motility & poor morphology
IVF #1 Sep 09 BFN
FET Dec 09 BFP, m/c 6 wks
IVF #2 Jun 09 BFP! beta 9dp5dt 176!! Twins due Mar 17
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IVF #1 Sep 09 BFN
FET Dec 09 BFP, m/c 6 wks
IVF #2 Jun 09 BFP! beta 9dp5dt 176!! Twins due Mar 17
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Hey Claud - I'm thinking my AF should start 3-4 days after being off BCP, so I would get bw/us done then. But clinic says if I don't get AF by the 29th, I should go there that day anyways. So I'm hoping AF will come sooner!
Ugh, I have a babyshower to go to this Sunday..so don't want to go. I swear I'll just be sitting there hatin! And all the questions, "Syanna, when is it your turn?" "over a decade and still no kids?" then I'll just be like, "don't worry biatches, imma catch up soon! Be prepare to come to my babyshower one right after another!"
Ugh, I have a babyshower to go to this Sunday..so don't want to go. I swear I'll just be sitting there hatin! And all the questions, "Syanna, when is it your turn?" "over a decade and still no kids?" then I'll just be like, "don't worry biatches, imma catch up soon! Be prepare to come to my babyshower one right after another!"
Me: 28 DH: 29
1st IVF - Oct '09 - BFN :*(
2nd IVF w/ICSI - Dec '09 - BFN :**(
3rd IVF w/ICSI - Feb '10 - BFN :***(
4th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Jul '10 - BFN :****(
5th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Oct '10 - Beta 10/15
1st IVF - Oct '09 - BFN :*(
2nd IVF w/ICSI - Dec '09 - BFN :**(
3rd IVF w/ICSI - Feb '10 - BFN :***(
4th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Jul '10 - BFN :****(
5th IVF w/ICSI + AH - Oct '10 - Beta 10/15