Jan/Feb 2010--Cycle Group

Discussion forum for those particularly interested in IVF and embryo transfer including frozen embryo transfer.
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Post by dodo928 »

hello ladies, how's everyone else doing? I'm awake early again. I am excited that the donor should have her AF come today. Meanwhile, I sent her an email on Saturday and called her last night and haven't heard back from her. So, I'm waiting...

Katie:Thank you for the feedback! Your story with the sonographer made my day!

Franny: Congrats to official PUPO! Thanks for sharing about DH naming the embie PUPO! You made my day too!

Will do more personal later on! go back to bed now!
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ttc 15 years
low ovarian reserve, high FSH, male factor
5 IUI (<2002) BFN
#1 IVF - cancelled no response (2003)
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Post by Merri_Baby_Dust »

Hi ladies - Just a quick update!

ASM - Had my AM Lupron check. All looks good - thin lining, no cysts. 5 follies on left, 4 on right that they could get to. I think I had more last time, but I've learned not to worry about the follicle numbers or sizes until just before ER...I'm toying with the idea of telling the tech and dr's not to mention anything to me - just let me know 'looks good' or 'might have a problem.'

Lupron's really interfering with sleep but other than that, we're good. The headaches have gone. Stims start tonight (whoo hoo!)

katie99 - ER is tentative for 1/31. Thanks!

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TTC for 2.5 yrs
2009 IVF #1 - ESET, BFP, M/C 8.5 wks
2009 FET #1 - Single Transfer, BFN
2010 IVF #2 - ET 2/5 - beta 17dpo - 267; 20dpo - 562; 22dpo - 1127;heartbeat 3/4!
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Hello Ladies, I hope all is well with everyone!!!

Heather- PUPO!!!!!!!!! Your little embies sound great. Boy are you guys brave to implant 3!!! I am not taking vagina estradiol but if the med is vaginal it should look and feel like a suppository because it has to melt. Call your RE or pharmacy to make sure. As for going back to work on tues. I do not see a problem. My RE said just take it easy and if you work @ a desk and get to sit that sounds fine to me. Welcome to the 2 week wait... it sucks!!!!!!!!

Kim- If their was a magic pill or spell I could give you to make you feel positive and stop worrying I would be a very very very very rich woman. I am one who assumes the worst so it does not hurt so bad, I mean I am analyzing every little symptom I have and whenever I think about it a BFN my stomach goes into a knot.. so you are not alone with your feelings..... I am praying for all of us on this board that we all get BFP's because we deserve it and a baby would be so lucky to have any of us as parents!!!! Do you plan to POAS? I think I might do what Frannie is going to do... but I think we can test technically on day 10 which would be the 24th???

Katie- GL on baseline..... Thank god it is not today with all this snow. It's wet snow too. My DH worked his 24 hr shift yesterday and is plowing now. I usually shovel the walkway for him but since it's wet snow and I am POPU I do not dare. So I making a pot roast meal for him... sounds fair right???

Franny- Beta 1/29... boy this board is going to be busy for a few days.. I go back to work on wed (holiday today and usual day off tues) so I hope getting back to work keeps me busy so this 2 ww goes by faster than a snail crawl. What are you doing to keep busy?

samantha- Yeah for trigger!!!! Sending you strong embie vibes for tues!!!!! That's awesome about your DH. I mean the stress of IVF is hardest for the ladies but I think our DH can get left out. What an awesome guy for helping!!!!! My only advise do not let him in the procedure room when they are doing the ER.... they'll all be laughing too much!!! LOL

Paty- So when I read your story about your friend I immediately got red in the face and pissed... then I saw that you live in TX.... being a southern girl raised with bible beaters in my family I sorta got why your friend would say that... I am so not excusing her..... I would think a true friend would say that she does not believe in it for herself but would support YOU in whatever decision YOU make.. I mean when you become BFP is she going to say stuff about your baby??? I think you need to talk to her about this... as for telling anyone else.. you sounded like you were totally not expecting your friend to so judgmental so go with your heart.... tell who you want because you have all of us to vent with!!!!!

GI- Glad you ad a good weekend except for the nausea.. are you taking meds for it??? Keep calling the hospital about getting your polyp removed. I have a theory that the more annoying you are the faster you will get a date because they want you to stop calling...... So call again...LOL

Merri- Yeah for starting stimms!!!!!!

Beth- GL today!!!!!! Sending good ER vibes your way!!!!!

riley- Hey sister how is it going???? I hope you are staying busy!!!!!!! Thinking of you xoxox!!!!!!!

Well it took awhile but I am done!!!!!! Gosh I need not to stay away for more than a day!!!!!! Hope everyone has a GREAT DAY and BFP wishes all come true!!!! Love Laurie
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DH 40
1st IVF- BFN
2nd IVF - Jan with planned ICIS and assisted hatching
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beth- thinking of you today. good luck with your re! can't wait to hear the results.

samantha- 1 more day & it'll be your er time...woohoo!

meri- congrats on starting yout stims tonight! what will you be taking? er tenatively scheduled for 1.31? it'll be her before you know it :-)

gi- glad you had a fun weekend, minus the pueky lukey incidents. men & their cars! :roll: i hope you hear from the hospital soon!

paty- i'm really sorry about your friends reaction to your ivf situation. while yes, everyone is entitled to have their beliefs/views about assisted reproduction services, such as ivf, they should not treat those who are supposedly close to them in such a way as your friend is. basically, people shouldn't "dislike" the person, but they can "dislike" what they do. there are people in my life & i don't agree for example with how some of my friends raise their kids, but i don't dislike the people. it doesn't change how i treat them. i hope she realizes that what you need right now is support & understanding & not more added stress to what you are already experiencing.

riley- how you are you feeling? when's your beta scheduled for?

afm...a nurse called from the re's office yesterday to tell me that my estrogen level was at 200, so they lowered me from 175 to 150 of follistim. i go in tomorrow for b/w & an u/s & i'm supposed to bring my ganireli, in case they think it's time to start using it. i won't lie...i have been feeling a little bitchy & i'm trying to contain it. my poor dh. having to pee all the time doesn't help either. it's all so worth it though :P

lots of sticky baby dust all around ladies!!!

love ya,
es
ME: 32
DH: 38 (Severe MF)

IVF 1: BFP...M/C
IVF 2-5: BFN
IVF 6: BFP...it's twins!!

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beth- i meant to say "er" & not "re"..haha. although i guess good luck with your re. it is your re who is doing the er, lol.

laurie- we must have been posting at the same time. don't you dare go out there & shovel! a pot roast sounds yummy & i'm sure dh will appreciate it. i can't believe you're up & cooking! i used the 2ww to my advantage bad. dh did EVERYTHING!

lots of sticky baby dust all around ladies!

love ya,
es
ME: 32
DH: 38 (Severe MF)

IVF 1: BFP...M/C
IVF 2-5: BFN
IVF 6: BFP...it's twins!!

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Post by beth84 »

ER went great - they got an even dozen (so appropriate for eggs, hmm?). I promise to read and do personals later. Must sleep now.
Me 37 DH 41 (male factor, morphology)
3 failed IUIs
IVF #1 - 5/09 BFN
IVF #2 - 7/09 chemical
FET 10/09 chemical
IVF #3 - 1/10 chemical
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beth- a dozen eggs....you're right, how appopriate! get some sleep :-)

lots of sticky baby dust all around ladies!

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es
ME: 32
DH: 38 (Severe MF)

IVF 1: BFP...M/C
IVF 2-5: BFN
IVF 6: BFP...it's twins!!

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Hi all -

I see you all are typing in your sleep again! Whew- its hard to keep up with you all. So I remembered that my nurse had said that I will be the first to use the new fancy pants u/s machine that my RE just got - hope that he read the manual (unlike my DH who never reads a manual) plus my two little monitoring appts are at 9:00 instead of 7:45 - could this mean that he's cycling me alone? instead of in a group of 14 or more? Could I be that lucky? Mine is definitely a "batch RE" usually I dont mind, but sometimes I think that my chart gets lost in the shuffle. I'll know for sure tomorrow, but I think it may just be me. :D And my nerves have kicked in too, I'm trying not to fixate on it, but I will be only the third ivm my RE & embryologist has attempted - I know that the other two were bfn ( yay for gossipy nurses!) but she did say that one lady had enough to freeze some, so I can hope cant I ? Maybe they'll cycle me alone to keep the poor embryologist from being up to her eyeballs in embies? It cant be easy for her alone to handle 14 - 16 patients worth of embies each month. And mine need all that maturing to do - oh, cross your fingers that I'll get the embryologist all to myself for a change!

Beth - Yay for an even dozen! Cant wait to hear the fert report! I'll say it because you seem to have a weird sense of humor like mine, last cycle I gave up eggs for breakfast - after all of the ivf thoughts & worries and the forums I simply didnt want to look at or even think of eggs of any type! DH thought I was odd - whatever, ivf doesnt rule his world the way it does for us females. Get some rest, hon!

Es -Dh has to expect a little moody sometimes - look at the massive amounts of hormones we inject each try! Mine has taken to asking "is it time for me to just always agree with you yet?" not funny!

Kim -How are you doing?

Samantha -Good luck tomorrow! So happy to hear that both ovaries should be accessible - maybe your DH has a second career in the making? I'd find a comedian doing ivf routines hysterical at this point :lol:

Heather -He let you watch Celebrity Rehab during the game? Wow! He must love you a lot! :lol: I am so jealous of your empty bladder ET!

Paty - I'm sorry that your friend reacted that way. We have been totally open about it with everyone - if they dont agree with it - I dont really care because I believe that if it were them to go through the nightmare of infertility they'd have a different attitude altogether! Hugs

Gi -Keep calling! darn these obstacles!

Dodo -Yay for donor AF! does this mean that you'll start soon? I hope so!

Merri -Yay stims! If too much info stresses you, then by all means tell them to keep quiet - I'm the opposite, I get way stressed being kept in the dark - Good luck to you!

Laurie -Yum pot roast! Sounds like a good deal to me! You need to rest up while you can! Luckily we only got maybe an inch of snow - but the backyard has been an ice rink for a month now - poor dogs!
I'll post the embie chart next since I see you all are going in that direction

Franny - get back to the couch! -xoxo

hugs & prayers! - xoxo
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
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4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Post by katie99 »

Here's the embie growth chart - sorry I dont have one for a 2dt
Guys - please dont go POAS crazy!


3 Day Transfer:

1dpt... Embryo is growing and developing
2dpt... Embryo is now a blastocyst
3dpt... Blastocyst hatches out of shell on this day
4dpt... Blastocyst attaches to a site on the uterine lining
5dpt... Implantation begins,as the blastocyst begins to bury in the lining
6dpt... Implantation process continues and morula buries deeper in the lining
7dpt... Morula is completely inmplanted in the lining and has placenta cells &
fetal cells
8dpt... Placenta cells begin to secret HCG in the blood
9dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
10dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
11dpt... HCG levels are now high enough to be immediately detected on HPT

5 Day Transfer (if your transfer is done on the 6th day please adjust according to the timeline based upon how the embryo was doing by 1-2 days {e.g. blastocyst was hatching from the shell}):

-1dpt... Embryo is growing and developing
0dpt... Embryo is now a blastocyst
1dpt... Blastocyst hatches out of shell on this day
2dpt... Blastocyst attaches to a site on the uterine lining
3dpt... Implantation begins,as the blastocyst begins to bury in the lining
4dpt... Implantation process continues and morula buries deeper in the lining
5dpt... Morula is completely inmplanted in the lining and has placenta cells &
fetal cells
6dpt... Placenta cells begin to secret HCG in the blood
7dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
8dpt... More HCG is produced as fetus develops
9dpt... HCG levels are now high enough to be immediately detected on
HPT
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Post by latrell22 »

Oh my! It's hard to keep up with you busy ladies!! Hope all of you are well.

Beth: 12 is AWESOME!!! I'm very happy for you!

Katie: Unlike a lot of you, I don't have a schedule to follow like what I'm seeing here. I'm starting to me a little nervous. At this point, I'm waiting on AF..no BCPs...should be around the end of this week! On day 3 of AF I will begin my Menogon injections..very nervous about them, but I'm sure once I do the first one I'll feel better about doing them.
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Post by Riley baby maybe »

WOW!! Sorry I have been MIA, but ER did not agree with me. I've had a rash, fever, nausea, vomiting and pain that I've never felt before! Strange, but yesterday I woke up and felt pretty good. Since then, it's been so much better!

Sam - How was your trigger? I agree that it helps to have a funny DH & RE. Yesterday DH thanked RE for "impregnating his wife"!

Sara - I'm so excited things are moving along with your donor. For the amount of money that you pay, I'd think you could ask her what she had for dinner!

Katie - I can't believe your BL is tomorrow. Everything is moving along so quickly!! Oh, and I think my beta is scheduled for Tuesday 01/26. RE said 2 weeks from ER, but the other girls are going 01/28 so I'm going to ask the nurse today.

Claudia - How are you? Headaches still working you over? Getting close now!

Merri - Congrats on starting your stims today! Now it all starts to seem real...

Beth - 12 eggs..that's GREAT!!! Take it easy and enjoy the day!

Lou - I hate it that you got a BFN. Whatever you decide, I wish you the best!!

Es - How are your stims going?

Kim - How are you doing? Girl you have got to get that PMA up!!!! Sending some your way.

Heather - How are you feeling? Did you enjoy the Golden Globes?

Franny - Your diet sounds wonderful! Because I was borderline OHSS and in tons of pain I had to eat salt, salt and more salt! I've drank 2 jars of pickle juice and ate the pickles, chips, dip, Taco Bell, pizza, V8 juice, Gatorade, etc. Very unhealthy!!

Paty - I think that is horrible! It's also the reason we only chose to tell 2 people. People are so insensitive and narrow minded at times. You have to do what's right for you and if you want a baby and this is your chance, I say take it!

Laurie - Hey sister! How are you? Pot roast sounds so good right now that I'd shovel your snow for a plate full of it!! I'm a horrible cook, so any chance I get I eat someone elses food.

To all my PUPO sisters - I hope you are all feeling great! BFPs around the corner...PMA PMA PMA!

AFM - Feeling pretty good today. We put only one back, twins scare me! DH loves Viggo Mortenson and since I refuse to ever name my child Viggo, I let him name the embie Viggo (for now)! We got a picture of our baby and I love looking at it. DH says he has my eyes! :lol: Thank you to all who asked about me. I appreciate it very much; it's nice to be thought of and makes every step of this easier! I don't feel any different (wonder if I will) and I don't plan on POAS. I may cave, but negative can mean positive and vice versa so what's the point, you know?
Me - 32 - no issues
DH - 36 - low count
1st IVF - Jan 2010 - BFP! - Gorgeous girl arrived 10/08/10!!
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Wishful Thinking -1st IVF in Feb
D & M - baseline 1/6 - MIA ?

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Bei (AF -please hurry!)
Rayofsunshine (Sara) - DE in March
Misocial (Marci) - follow up appt w/o 1/18
Latrell22 - stims on CD3

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Gi -BCP - stims 2/9 - ER 2/22
Bethanyneedsluck -BCP - just a bit longer!
Washingtonda -BCP -stims in Jan -ER 1st or 2nd week of Feb
Blessed Mama -BCP - baseline 1/22 - stims 1/23
Katie99- IVM - baseline 1/19 - stims 1/21 - ER 1/28 - ET 1/31
Hopingforbaby#1 - BCP
Arabsrcool -(Ronda) estrace - FET 1/21
Hope664
PositiveThinking - BCP
Supergenius - IVF in Feb

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Ashleyncsu77- lupron 12/21 - FET w/o 1/18 - MIA ?
Claudia - - lupron -FET 1/31 or 2/1- beta 2/11 or 2/12
Jaydentd - lupron 1/11 - stims 1/21
Karenthescorpio - lupron 1/11 - stims ?
Miyaya - lupron - stims 1/20 or 1/21

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Msmac (Roshaunda) - stims 1/8 - ER 1/20
To_Have_Fun (Chris) IUI - stims 1/13
CamiWB - stims 1/8 - ER w/o 1/18
PatyPaty - stims 1/10 - ER 1/21
Mandy14 - ER 1/20 - MIA ?
Dandme - stims 1/15 - ER 1/28 - ET 2/2
Moorebaby(Ester) - stims 1/14 - tentative ER 1/26
MerriBabyDust -stims 1/18 - ER 1/31

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J & C - SNS 1/22 - FET 1/28
Dodo928 - FET in Feb
Rosario - FET in Feb

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Beth84 - ER 1/18
Samgarkay (Samantha) -ER 1/19


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Babyhopes (Laurie) - ER 1/12 -ET 1/15 PUPO! beta 1/28
Rlk1 (Kim) - FET 1/15 PUPO! beta 1/28
Riley baby maybe - ER 1/12- ET 1/17 PUPO! beta 1/26
HMS (Heather) ER 1/14 -ET 1/17 PUPO! beta 2/1
Turtle (Franny)- ER 1/15- ET 1/17 PUPO! beta 1/29


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Lou71 -bfn :cry: trying again soon
DOR/ hydro tubes removed
IVF #7 -FET with donor embies 2/10 -BFP!
DS born 11/10
Trying for a sibling
4 FETs with donor embies - all BFN
FET with donor embies - one last try.. Feb 2013 - BFP!
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Hi Ladies-I've been reading up on all of you but didn't get a chance to post yesterday!

Franny-LOVE the poopo story!!! That is hysterical :lol: I'm so happy your baby is back inside you and I hope and pray that this is your time...and that's crazy about your cyst and the RE thinking it was a follie?!?!!? Glad they drained it though and take it easy today and tomorrow!!

Katie-I'm so happy that you are progressing forward with this and I KNOW your RE is going to dedicate this cycle to you since he is on a mission to get you preggers!!!! GL tomorrow and I will be thinking of you

Beth-a dozen eggs?!?! That's fabulous...how many will you put back? 3 day or 5 day transfer?

Riley-the headaches have subsided for now which is good!! I feel your pain with the OHSS...I could barely walk when I had it and the worst part was my FIL had a hear attack when I was at my worst and I had to sit at the hospital in discomfort and pain...but it got better after a few days and drinking Gaterade was my savior!!

Samantha-GL tomorrow!! Fingers crossed for tons of embies and your ovaries be accessible!!! Get lots of rest

Paty-I think it stinks your friend isn't being supportive and it's so unfortunate. I have only told a few close people but am very secretive so I'm sorry that this has affected your experience. People really don't understand until they have had problems/issues the emotional/physical/mental toll it takes on us

GI-sorry to hear you got sick this weekend and I agree to be persistent with the hospital!

Laurie-NO HEAVY LIFTING for you!! Pot roast?!? I'm impressed:) It is actually beautiful here in New Jersey!! 50 degrees-feels like springtime:)

Ester-I was also cranky during my stims-especially when we got closer to ER and I was waking up every couple hours to pee and I could barely walk!! Hope DH has a lot of tolerance!!!!

Meri-YAH for starting stims!!! We will be cycling around the same time

dodo-AF dance for your donor!!! Will she be starting stims on her day 3?

AFM...I go in for my SnS tomorrow to see how my lining looks and to up my estrace dosage!! Unfortunately last night DH and I got into a fight last night over the stress of infertility. Both his sister and my sister-in-law are pregnant which is difficult enough for us but last night we were with my family and my SIL was actually complaining of being nauseous (she is 21 weeks) and was being somewhat whiny about it. I don't mean to sound insensitive but I wanted to give her a death stare like what I wouldn't give to feel nauseous right now and then my mom and her were talking about baby names and what the baby would look like etc. I am in such a bind because I want to be happy and engage in conversation but then it hurts me/makes me feel sad and it really hurts me DH. He handles the situation by completely avoiding the topic and goes to the opposite extreme and won't even congratulate them on finding out the gender and all those things!!! So we got home and both of us were really frustrated at the situation (which then of course makes us mad at each other cause we don't know how to let out the frustration) He has been amazing through all of this but I just want us to have our time to be happy with a BFP and all those exciting things to come with it.

Sorry to vent...

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Claudia(31) thin lining and low progesterone
DH (32) Perfect
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Oops...forgot to include my first name, Jacqueline. :)
Me - 32 - no issues
DH - 36 - low count
1st IVF - Jan 2010 - BFP! - Gorgeous girl arrived 10/08/10!!
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Good Morning and Holy Cow!! I was so close to catching up and then I didn't touch the computer all weekend and now I am like four pages behind again!! Sounds like a lot has been going on--I've got my fingers and toes crossed for everyone that is PUPO (by the way--I was pretty proud of myself when I figured that one out in the shower this morning...)!! I think there are a few of us with scheduled ERs this week--so I'm thinking of all of you, too!! It looks like I also missed some I'm sorries--so I want to put those out there, as well (Lou & Marci). To everyone waiting for AF and starting stims--I'm wishing you the very best of luck!!!! Beth--congrats on your dozen eggs!! That's great!!

AFM, this morning was my third morning in a row for BW & US. I literally have track marks (sp?) on both of my arms. My amusing little anecdote for the weekend happened yesterday--they initially told me on Sat. that they wanted me to come in again Sunday morning and that they would trigger me Sunday night with ER on Tues. So, they call me Sunday afternoon and say they want me to go one more day with my same dosages and then come in Monday AM for BW & US. I say fine. At 8:30 last night, I sit down to do my "mixing" of Gonal-F, Luveris & Ganirelix (I wanted to be done with the chem set before the season premiere of 24!!!) and it dawns on me that I don't have any more Ganirelix. They ordered me 5 prefilled syringes and this was day 6! So I completely panic and call the emergency hotline--long story a little shorter, they can't get a hold of my doctor, so the on-call RE gets back to me at 10:15 to say she found a 24 fert pharm that will courier me the syringe. So, my poor DH and I wait up until 1:16 in the morning when the guy arrives! I felt so sketchy coming to the door while some dude hands me a paper bag of a drug-filled needle at 1:16 in the AM!!! So, needless to say, 6:45 came a little early this morning and I am seriously struggling without the assistance of caffeine.....

That's all--just thought I would share my little overnight drama. I am still waiting for a call back but the US tech told me I am ready to pop and that I have 4 on the left and 11 on the right. I hope that makes it worth waiting the extra day and all night!!! I'm thinking of you all and wishing you all the very best!! Cami
Me 30 (blocked tubes); DH 35 (low motility, morph)
IVF #1 7/09 - chemical pregnancy
IVF #2 10/09 - BFN
IVF #3 1/10 - BFN
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