Staci

[Traci]

Well done for getting to the 2ww , I recon that early blasts is a good sign as this shows that they have graown to the next stage . Good luck girl I have a good feeling this time for you and my candel will be lit for you on test day .


Trace x

[Sand]

Staci ... I just want to add my well wishes to your 2ww .... You're over half way there already

Sandra x

[AMITHIS]

Trace,

Thanks. I'll need all the help I can get!

Still testing -ive on 7dp5dt and starting to lose hope.


Sandra,

Halfway there but it feels like this week has been 20 days long! I'm hoping next week will go by faster.


Staci

[AMITHIS]

Paige,

I thought the blowing of the coat thing with collies was only the females for some reason (we're getting a male). When I saw your post, I checked online and, sure enough, it's both. I guess I'd better invest in a better vacuum cleaner as I'll probably be using it a lot! Do your friends have cats too by any chance? Just wondering how a collie typically does with him. I'm a little afraid he's going to try to herd ours and they will definitely not appreciate that!

I've pretty much given up hope for this cycle as I'm 8dp5dt and still testing -tive. I just wish the clinic would do the blood test sooner and put me out of my misery. It's really hard taking all these meds. when you know it's already over.

Staci

[Paige]

Staci:

I got my -tive hpt on day 9. My Dr. blood test was day 10. But the hpt's aren't accurate until the first day of your missed AF. So that would be day 15 after the transfer, because they are supposed to time the transfer with FET's right with ovulation. My suggestion would be to have dh take the hpt's to work so you can't get at them. They seriously are no good. And you way way too early. I know it seems like a long time to way...2 WW turns into 2 months doesn't it?

My friends with the Collie's do not no have cats, but their dogs are good with everyone, including other dogs. They are really good natured animals. When do you go see?

Paige

[DebraP]

Staci....You don't know that it's over already but you do know that the rest of the wait will be unbearable if you're unhappy and dreading test day.

You've heard all the warnings about early testing before, if it made you feel better I'd say go for it, but it's only making you sad. Maybe only test every other day, if you decide to continue.

Sorry that's nothing I can say to make you feel more positive.
Big hugs from a very cold climate...
Debra

[alicia]

Staci,

HPTs are EVIL I did not do an HPT until the morning I tested at the clinic. I just did it to make the few unbearable hours before they called with the result better.

I did take my temperature every morning when I woke up, though, before getting out of bed. I wrote the temp down on a paper by the bed. I knew from my many futile attempts to get PG naturally that on the day AF arrives, my temp would drop by a predictable amount - something like half a degree. I had over a year of charts, and every month it was exactly the same. So when the temp never went down, I began to get hopeful.

Don't know if that will be of any help to you, since you kind of need some historical data to base it on. But it helped me feel better than the HPTs. Also, I wanted to know if AF would be coming on a particular day so I could stay close to home and avoid social situations. Would not want to cry in front of casual acquaintances.

I hope you are completely wrong and that this cycle is a success for you. I won't even tell you to have PMA, because I know it can work even with the worst attitude, as I had last time.

Alicia

[AMITHIS]

Paige,

The thing with this medicated FET is I'm pretty sure there wasn't any ovulation involved? I never took a trigger shot or anything like in the fresh IVF. I just stopped Lupron when I started progesterone 5 days before the transfer. The transfer was actually on Day 21 of my cycle so technically today would be Day 30 of my cycle. I honestly have no clue when AF when normally be expected if this didn't work. I'm guessing that I probably won't see it until I stop the progesterone even with a negative result.

Re. the collie, we're going to see the puppies this morning. Hopefully, that will at least get my mind of things for a short while.


Alicia,

The temp. thing is a very good idea. Probably too late for that now but I think I will give that a try when I do my last FET. Actually, I guess I should start doing the temping a few months in advance so I get used to it.

Are either you or Paige watching the superbowl today? I haven't really followed football much this season since all my teams were pretty hopeless but I may watch a bit of it just to keep DH company. Plus it is in our state this year which is kind of neat. A friend who lives in Jacksonville sent me a bunch of pictures last night of all the festivities going on there.

Debra,

I was going to try to do the every other day testing thing (meaning I wouldn't have tested today). However, last night I had such a vivid dream that I tested positive on an HPT .... then that I did a 2nd one and tested positive again that I got superstitious and took one as soon as I got up. So much for that. At least I got to see the 2 lines in my dream anyway. That was a first.

Well, guess I'd better start getting ready to go see the puppies since it's a good 2 hour drive.

Thanks again, everyone for your support. I've been such a basketcase throughout this cycle that I'm quite certain I never would have gotten through it without all of you.

Staci

[Mia]

Staci,

I am thinking of you and the pregnancy tests. I wish I could tell you not to take them anymre and quit beating yourself up, but I took 10+ test during my last treatment. I examined the tests so closely I could see the little divet that becomes a line ( tricking myself into thinking that was a good sign).

Did you get your puppy? How are the cats getting along with the collie?

Mia

[mindyvic]

Hi Staci,

Wishing you luck with your 2WW, only a few days to go now, I find the last few hours the hardest. I have the same positive approach as Wendy after ET in that I'm pregnant until I'm proved otherwise... Here's hoping your get the +tive

Danica,
Where is Oz are you?

[Paige]

Staci:

Dying to know if you came home with a puppy! If so, I'm sure you're so busy that you don't have time for the evil htp's (yeah right!).

Hang in there, your test date is coming up.

Paige

[AMITHIS]

Hi all,

Well, it looks like I've managed to strike out on a baby and a puppy all in the same week.

I would have thought one wouldn't have been too much to ask for?!

The puppies were adorable and had great temperments. The problem was (of course there was a problem) that they had a white blaze of color down the middle of their faces and some white around their noses. It's a matter of personal preference but either DH nor I like the way this looks aesthetically on a sable collie. I really tried my best to overlook it but it's just not the way I want a collie to look. We talked about it on the way home (puppies are still too small to take home yet; we were just going to see if we could choose which male we wanted) and decided we should hold off and wait until we can get exactly what we want. Now we just have to let the breeder know delicately so that she'll keep us at the top of her list for a puppy from another litter. Of course, now it could be months of waiting again. I feel like waiting has become my new career.

In other news, the clinic agreed to let me go in to test early tomorrow morning. I know it's negative as I can't imagine HPT's being wrong at 10DP5DT. I don't feel as upset about it at the moment as I did after the IVF but I don't know if it's because it hasn't really hit yet or if it's because I've been getting upset throughout the week so have gotten some of it out of my system. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I get the official result.

Thank you all again for being there for me throughout this cycle. DH has no idea how lucky he is that I had all of you to keep me sane during this. I know he would have lost patience with all my complaining and worrying very early on had he gotten the brunt of it!

Staci

[ogr1]

Hang in there..

lots of hugs((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
becky

[DebraP]

Staci....managing expectations is one perfectly reasonable way of getting through the FHF (my new, much ruder, version of 2ww which might get me thrown off the board ).

No one will blame you for feeling negative but you've only hours to go. If this is the start of your pregnancy, and there's no proof that it's not - the hpts don't count - wouldn't it be so much nicer to feel relaxed and happy about it? Am I suggesting the impossible now?

I'm confused....why did your clinic suggest/agree to an early test? if tomorrow's result is valid, why would they normally suggest waiting another 2 days? surely they'd prefer you to wait until the actual day? or have I got this wrong?

Sorry about your dream. Doesn't matter that we know they're 'only' drams, they create real feelings too. A couple of nights ago I woke up feeling upset having dreamed I had a baby boy but forgotten to feed him. People kept telling me to wake him up but I let him sleep. God know what it meant but it made me feel unhappy and anxious. I can only imagine how you felt after your dream.

I'll be thinking about you all day tomorrow.
Hugs
Debra.

[AMITHIS]

Debra,

You got a much needed laugh out of me with your FHF acronym
I would say that is a very appropriate description.

On the testing early issue (sorry, this may be long!)....

I noticed on another message board for women specifically undergoing FET's that many of them also having 5 day transfers were testing at their clinics 4 or 5 days earlier than me (also with 5 day transfers). I had my transfer done days before them yet they were testing days before me. This really puzzled me so I started to do more research. These clinics are all in the U.S. so I don't know if this is being done elsewhere or not. At any rate, the reasons to test earlier seem to be:

1) There is no HCG trigger shot typically used in an FET so no need to wait for that to be out of one's system

2) In a 5 or 6 day transfer, implantation will typically take place sooner (I think generally within a day or 2 of the transfer) since the embryo is already further along in development.

3) I noticed that a lot of these women were going in for an "early beta" generally 9dp6dt or 10dp5dt. If the clinic detected any HCG, they would have them come back in a few days later for another test to see if the number had increased.

I then asked a R.E. in a question and answer forum online what the rationale might be for my clinic making me wait a full 2 weeks after the transfer when others seemed to be testing much earlier. He said that it was probably because when a test was done much earlier, it may only detect what they call a biochemical pregnancy. An embryo implants, starts making some HCG but then doesn't make it. The patient is told they have a positive (although usually based on a very low number) only to go back in for a 2nd test and get a negative result. Had the test actually been done later, it is likely that no HCG would be detected by then. Thus, the patient would be given a solid negative from the start. He thought (as my clinic obviously does as well) that is was better not to even know about a biochemical pregnancy.

I obviously can't speak for everyone and perhaps I would feel differently if it ever happened to me, but I think I would rather test as early as 9 or 10 days if I could. If a negative can be conclusive then, why subject people who do actually have negatives to 4 additional days of medications and stress?
It doesn't really seem fair to make them wait just to avoid false positives.

As far as the chemical pregnancy issue, sad as this may be I think I'd feel a little better knowing something at least tried to implant even if it didn't make it!

Anyway, I don't mean to send everyone running to their clinics for early tests. As far as I know, this only applies in the case of 5 or 6 day transfers and only in regard to FET's where no HCG is used to trigger ovulation.

Oddly enough, I had a similar dream to yours last year. I remember only because I was so incredibly disturbed by it that I wrote an entry in my journal in an effort to figure out why I would dream such a terrible thing. All I could come up with was that it just represented some hidden fear that I don't deserve to be a mother and that is why all of this is happening to me. That's the best I could do. I'm willing to bet that, between the hormones and stress all of us undergo, we probably do have some very unusual dreams.

I think I may take the award for longest posts. I type almost as fast as I talk so it's pretty easy to get carried away!

Staci