Hi Ladies
Long Satrurday morning catch up post coming on.........
Aunty - great to have you back. We have missed you too. Great ticker
Shantala - think that they really like them to be around 17mm - 19mm when they trigger you. Those then mature on. It is such a juggling act but they are trying to get the best number for you right in the range. There are usually some that may be a 'little past there best' and some that are immature. Mine grow at about 2mm per shot so with two extra days then you should have some good ones in the optimal range. The big ones may slow down as well hun. It sounds like you will have a pretty good crop. Well done on the Valued Contributor. Part of an exclusive club now hun (Ha HA)

Very best of luck for the scan tomorrow sweetie. Glad that you are planning a nice relaxing 'dh free' weekend

Mine is off on the golf course today and tomorrow
Jayne - Hope funeral was not too bad for you & dh. I have been to York racing when Ascot was there a couple of years ago. It is a lovely course and a great day out. You should get it organised!!! How was the acu, I am a real fan even though it has not helped me so far. Hope that the appointment next week will give you some answers. They have run a lot of tests so hope that will give them loads of info so they can adjust things for next time
Rachel - afraid that the sun is in London hun! That is great news that you already lost almost all the weight from the hols. You have done so well that I am sure the little extra from the holiday will soon be gone & then you will be back going down even further. Bet everyone is saying how great you look. Have a great weekend and a wonderful 7th wedding anniversary with your dh
Pequele - I found that CM was so confusing that I gave up trying to use it. I had to rely on the pee sticks and temperature. I would trust those. After coming off BCP then it can take a long time for you to ovulate. I am sure that you will not have missed it at the start of the month so afraid that I think that you have to keep going. What day are you on now? Think that the latest that I might have surged would be around D21.
Hope that it is soon for you as much be so frustrating for you
Jen1d - so sorry that you have this level of stress with the pills. I am sure that it will all be fine. Hope that they call you early today and that you can get sorted at a chemist that is open this morning. Big hugs pal. Why can't you do a ticker. Go to ticker facory and pick Event. Then you just chose your ticker and the icon that moves and put in the text. Then you just cut and paste the code into your profile. Give it a go. It helps to see it count down. I'll mail later. Clean sheets - yep love them. Makes me feel that ours should go in the wash today
Nimble - what news? Are you on your fab holiday now hun?
John - good luck to you & Terana for the 2ww. We will keeping everything crossed that it is a BFP for you
JB - cannot wait for you to get back and tell us all about your trip to Big B. Hope that it all went really well for you
Gill - Thanks for the info re-the clinic and the hotel. Jen1d told me about that hotel too so that is were I booked. I'm glad that you found the epigenetics thing helpful, I thought that it was amazing and really helped me come to terms with it all. Glad that they called you back. That is great to hear that they are responsive. You really are very close now. Crossing everything for you
Kim - that is awesome news that they have found you a donor with a great track record. That is not too far away either now. Hope that I will be right behind you!
Becky - thanks for being such a fab support. Made me laugh with the stand up in the office piece. You are so darn funny. We are all brave & strong to have come this far. Hard yards as someone else told me!
Vicki - so kind of you to drop by & keep an eye on me. Thank you. We looked at IVI which I know Hammersmith work with. ARGC mentioned IVI yesterday too us as well as IM and said that they were both excellent clinics. We just decided on IM as the wait list seemed slightly shorter when we last spoke with Mr Trew but not sure whether that is still the case??? Will be great to compare notes. Which thread are you on? Why not come and join us. There are already 4 ladies going to Barcelona (including me) and Kim using a donor too. So this would be a great place for you to hang out. Good Luck. Stay in touch
Well where to start. Races on Wednesday was fab. Hot and sunny. One friend knew that it had just been another -ve for us so he had told everyone (I guess) so everyone was nice to us but did not say anything which was good to be able to forget. I backed 3 winners! Better than anyone else. Well up on the day so no need to cash point for a while.

It was so nice for dh and I to spend sometime together and not be at hospital/dr/clinic etc etc Did us both good.
Barcelona called me yesterday and offered us an appointment on Tuesday - cancellation. We just cannot get all the required tests done by then which is a shame but seemed almost too quick for me. So hope that they might call us again when we are more organised and have had the tests done in a couple of weeks. I was pleased that they thought of us. Clearly the begging e-mails did some good!
So to follow up. He was very honest which is great. Bottom line is that I respond well but the egg quality is very poor. In my heart of hearts I knew that. Of the 23 they collected, he only considered 1 to be good and 1 to be ok. He spent lots of time explaining the issues. The fluid in the egg around the nuclei should be clear and for me it is dark, murky and fragmented. And when they inject the sperm in the eggs are so fragile that they leak too. Basically - rubbish. Dh's sperm shows more abnormailities than you would expect too - thought that he might suggest double donation - but he thinks that dh's swimmers should be ok with ICSI & better eggs. Plus my hormone levels fluctuate madly. He said that the combination of all of these issues would be extremely hard (maybe not quite impossible). They would be happy for us to have a 5th try there. Basically long protocol again. They would start the drugs slower and then ramp them up and give me a slightly different mix. But he basically made us think that we would be looking for a needle in a haystack as he thinks that off the 50 collected that most are bad. Probably more than just age as so many are bad so likely that the auto immune disorder played a part although we will never know. This helps me a little as it started just before I started seeing my dh. So even if we had started straight away, the issue might still have been there.
He mentioned donor eggs to us. He said that it would really increase the odds of success. He recommended Spain and said that both IVI and IM were great. They would work with IM to ensure that issues like the fact that I always bleed on D11 where addressed plus check my immunes again for me again to ensure that I don't reject the embies. They would do scans here and would take over all the meds and support should I get a BFP. I was so happy about this as they are just down the road and I know that I could drop in if I have any issues at all. That is very reassuring.
We did not decide on the spot but we filled in all the paperwork to get copies of our notes for Barcelona. Few tears last night as it really is the end of the road for my eggs and a genetic child. I have felt that this was the case for some time but it is good and bad to hear it cleraly explained. I thought that dh would feel that I should have a 5th try as this was offered but was more certain that we should go to Barcelona afterwards. Think that he felt that I cannot keep going through this and suffering the crushing defeat anymore and that the writing is on the wall.
So looks like I will now truely be part of the BigB gang!!!
Enjoy the weekend ladies. Bet you are relieved that this post is finally over!
Lots of Love
Carolyn
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Me 42, DH 52 IVF #1, #2, #3 ICSI #4 - 10.05.2006, 12.12.2006, 10.03.2007, 27.07.2007 ICSI/DE/TESA #5, #6 PGD/IVIG #7 - 24.11.2007, 27.02.2008, 23.05.2008 - 7 BFNs
Surrogacy/FET #8 - 15.10.2008 - BFP
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